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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2018, 02:44:30 AM »
I will take this over the 7D2 for birding (and especially the 7D2 since it’s only 20MP).
I’d take the SL2 above all else but if IQ is similar enough then there’s no reason to pay extra for the DPAF sensor.

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2018, 02:44:30 AM »

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2018, 05:05:49 AM »
I will take this over the 7D2 for birding (and especially the 7D2 since it’s only 20MP).
Preferring the lowest entry level camera to 7D2 for birding merely for 4 additional Mpixels borderlines to a troll's statement. I do not believe this is your intention though. I believe you haven't tried to shoot even one bird instead. You cannot compare 7D2 handling with the joystick, button reassignment, 65 AF point system, fps and buffer to a toy camera with just 4Mp more than 7D2.
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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2018, 01:46:16 PM »
I will take this over the 7D2 for birding (and especially the 7D2 since it’s only 20MP).
Preferring the lowest entry level camera to 7D2 for birding merely for 4 additional Mpixels borderlines to a troll's statement. I do not believe this is your intention though. I believe you haven't tried to shoot even one bird instead. You cannot compare 7D2 handling with the joystick, button reassignment, 65 AF point system, fps and buffer to a toy camera with just 4Mp more than 7D2.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=1280.msg663105#msg663105

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2018, 07:21:31 PM »
I will take this over the 7D2 for birding (and especially the 7D2 since it’s only 20MP).
Preferring the lowest entry level camera to 7D2 for birding merely for 4 additional Mpixels borderlines to a troll's statement. I do not believe this is your intention though. I believe you haven't tried to shoot even one bird instead. You cannot compare 7D2 handling with the joystick, button reassignment, 65 AF point system, fps and buffer to a toy camera with just 4Mp more than 7D2.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=1280.msg663105#msg663105
The first one which is sharper (or better focused) than the others is really very nice! But I do not believe you shot them with a 1300D like camera, did you?
« Last Edit: February 23, 2018, 07:32:02 PM by tron »

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2018, 10:43:02 PM »
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=1280.msg663105#msg663105
The first one which is sharper (or better focused) than the others is really very nice! But I do not believe you shot them with a 1300D like camera, did you?

I mean, you could take those pictures with a P&S superzoom. Indeed it would probably be way easier than with any DSLR given the reach available in a small package.

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2018, 04:08:27 AM »
I will take this over the 7D2 for birding (and especially the 7D2 since it’s only 20MP).
Preferring the lowest entry level camera to 7D2 for birding merely for 4 additional Mpixels borderlines to a troll's statement. I do not believe this is your intention though. I believe you haven't tried to shoot even one bird instead. You cannot compare 7D2 handling with the joystick, button reassignment, 65 AF point system, fps and buffer to a toy camera with just 4Mp more than 7D2.

The ratio of tack-sharp autofocused images is much lower without AFMA, especially as focal lengths increase.

Birding is such an expensive hobby not because it isn't possible to great good photos with cheap equipment, but because the ratio of great photos is so low when we start the hobby. We pay ridiculous amounts of money for little improvements because each one of them helps a tiny bit to get 'the shot'.

I've gotten some good shots with a t2i and 70-300 (where I started with birding).  But the problem is, the many, many poor shots.
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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2018, 04:45:32 AM »
I will take this over the 7D2 for birding (and especially the 7D2 since it’s only 20MP).
Preferring the lowest entry level camera to 7D2 for birding merely for 4 additional Mpixels borderlines to a troll's statement. I do not believe this is your intention though. I believe you haven't tried to shoot even one bird instead. You cannot compare 7D2 handling with the joystick, button reassignment, 65 AF point system, fps and buffer to a toy camera with just 4Mp more than 7D2.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=1280.msg663105#msg663105
The first one which is sharper (or better focused) than the others is really very nice! But I do not believe you shot them with a 1300D like camera, did you?

Here’s some better samples.







Yes, the Canon T3 (1100D) shoots BIF.

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2018, 04:45:32 AM »

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2018, 04:57:34 AM »
...But the problem is, the many, many poor shots.

Agreed, that said, you still hear about people using center point AF even with fancy systems, and even shooting 2.5fps I still get way too many images to pick from, if I had a 7D I would mostly just be culling thousands of images instead of hundred.
The only thing a nice burst does is let you pick the position of the wings within a single flap (or at least that’s what I imagine 10fps to be like), rather than hoping to catch a good pose.

Most of the time the biggest problem is still “I decided to go hiking without my camera today! Oh look the hawks are snuggling in the top of that tree! A million dollar moment and no camera, Oh well.”

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2018, 09:35:52 AM »
Here is a 100% crop from 7D2, 400 + 1.4 (you have to click on it to see it max size).  ISO 1250. The bird was far away and sitting in the dark so not satisfied 100% but still decent after PP. The issue is that with birds who do not help us by posing close we need the best we get get from our equipment. And AFMA helps.
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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2018, 09:55:06 AM »
And this is a 100% crop from 7D2.

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2018, 01:51:15 PM »
Agreed, that said, you still hear about people using center point AF even with fancy systems, and even shooting 2.5fps I still get way too many images to pick from, if I had a 7D I would mostly just be culling thousands of images instead of hundred.

I use the center point with the little rectangle in the middle as my preference.  I still find that when it's busy (not blue sky) it's the easiest way to get the camera to focus on the right subject.

I took these two a couple of days ago using center point AF on a 6DII.  I've borrowed a 5D4 to consider whether it's worth the purchase just for birding, and to be honest, I did not really get a much different keeper rate using iTTR or center zone plus expanding points.  FWIW, I took 982 photos that day, and 529 made the first cut, which for me requires subject in-focus, and not a stupid crop or obviously useless position (like part of the bird cut off in flight, way too far in the distance, sun behind the bird, got back of head, etc).

The things that have made the biggest difference for me with birding is that FF allows me to shoot higher ISOs (therefore higher shutter speeds), and the Canon 100-400LII.

The bald eagle portrait was shot with a 100-400LII and 1.4x, ISO 2000, 1/2000 f/8.  The BIF of the juvenile eagle is without the extender at 1/2500.

All of the photos are 100% crops (not reduced); the bottom one is at 1:1 pixels for the forum (700 pixel wide) so that it's not necessary to open to see pixel sharpness.
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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2018, 02:54:03 PM »
Here’s some better samples.



Yes, the Canon T3 (1100D) shoots BIF.

Sorry, but neither of those shots are sharp, particularly the flight shot is noticeably soft.  If you are intending to show the utility of the T3 for birds and/or birds in flight, these examples aren’t helping your case.

Here’s one of my shots of a great horned owl nestling for comparison (there’s a second owlet in the nest, hidden behind the branches on the left). I trust you can see the difference in sharpness.

“Great Horned Owlet”

EOS 7D, EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM @ 400mm, 1/500 s, f/5.6, ISO 400

I’m not sure what lens you were using on the T3 (I’m guessing an EF-S 55-250mm?), but here’s an example of a sharp image with a non-L lens (the EF-M 55-200mm).

”Down the Hatch”

EOS M2, EF-M 55-200mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM @ 200mm, 1/1600 s, f/6.3, ISO 800
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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2018, 04:17:19 PM »
@neuro - nice shots :)  The great horned owl looks like it's moulting and none to happy being photographed hahaha.  The heron photo is a great moment!

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2018, 04:17:19 PM »

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2018, 06:07:48 AM »

Here’s some better samples.







Yes, the Canon T3 (1100D) shoots BIF.

IMO these aren't sharp by a long shot. They're pretty soft.

The shots here are non-L as well (Tamron 70-300 VC USD, 6D Mark II). Mine aren't all that sharp either, but they aren't soft to the point that it looks OOF or fuzzy.

Yes, it's possible to get sharp images using non-L, but just not with lenses like the 18-200 or 55-250. The 18-135's pretty decent though.

Note: Due to CR downsizing my images (they're at full resolution), they may appear soft at first glance until it's opened in full screen).
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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2018, 07:12:42 AM »
Yes, it's possible to get sharp images using non-L, but just not with lenses like the 18-200 or 55-250. The 18-135's pretty decent though.

I should note that actually the EF-S 55-250mm STM specifically is very sharp and ridiculously good value for an APS-C shooter. It beats the Tamron 70-300mm VC at 250mm; the Tamron, while a good lens, starts to fall apart IQ-wise beyond 200mm or so on modern high-density crop sensors.

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Re: Images and Specifications for the Canon EOS 2000D/EOS Rebel T7
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2018, 07:12:42 AM »