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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2018, 10:59:10 PM »
Canon hopes that the new product will attract demand from families, including mothers who enjoy taking pictures of their children.

Now we know what the target is ...
Now, Canon, make at least variants with some shades of pink. Those mothers will appreciate it.

Yeah, poor Mary Ellen Mark, Diane Arbus, Joyce Tenneson, Margaret Bourke White and Susan Meiselas, all they ever wanted was a pink camera.

You should have taken Lincoln's advice: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2018, 10:59:10 PM »

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2018, 11:05:51 PM »
Now where are the mirrorless haters??  ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2018, 11:32:18 PM »
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Canon hopes that the new product will attract demand from families, including mothers who enjoy taking pictures of their children.

..now we know why they feel safe putting 4k in their toy cameras.. not to mention with disabled autofocus.  Canon's paranoia of losing sales !
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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2018, 11:33:04 PM »
More talk of entry level stuff here -- so, yawn for me -- but words like 'even if there is cannibalization' leaves me room to believe that FF mirrorless is just a breath away.   :D

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2018, 12:15:27 AM »
"The Japanese market for interchangeable lens cameras recorded a 10.1% drop in sales for SLRs last year while mirrorless varieties soared 29.2%"

That's the only way you can get Canon to move.... they smelled the money and want their share of it... totally understandable.

Yup.

“Canon decided it must ‘actively roll out products for a growth market even if there is some cannibalization.’”

And this article proves for anyone who ever doubted how much they fear cannibalizing their own lines...until of course, they fear other people cannibalizing them more. Which is why they had to change strategy and release a camera with the 4K moniker as a defensive move. I say moniker because once people realize it has a 2.5x crop, they won’t be using it for 4K much.

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2018, 12:50:27 AM »
I'm still waiting for a serious mirrorless rather than what amounts to a high end powershot with interchangable lenses.  I purchased a SL-2 last summer over a M5 or M6 because of the powershot like interface and lack of wired tethering.

The M50 is definitely heading in the right direction, but I get the feeling that Canon does not want to compete with my 5D MK IV quite yet.

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2018, 12:59:58 AM »
I'm still waiting for a serious mirrorless rather than what amounts to a high end powershot with interchangable lenses.  I purchased a SL-2 last summer over a M5 or M6 because of the powershot like interface and lack of wired tethering.

The M50 is definitely heading in the right direction, but I get the feeling that Canon does not want to compete with my 5D MK IV quite yet.

They’ll have to soon but as usual they will drag their heals and be stubborn about it and delay it as long as possible.

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2018, 12:59:58 AM »

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2018, 01:19:04 AM »
Wow canon behind Olympus, I understand this is my opinion but i think sony makes better mirrorless cameras than both the a9 and riii are tough to deny. How soon will it be before we see a Full Frame mirrorless from canon?

The Sony A9 is $4500 and the Sony A7R3 is $3200.  That's not where most of the mirrorless sales are.  I would say that if they looked at $3,000+ full frame mirrorless bodies... Sony has the market cornered :)

A better argument is that the Sony A6300 is an excellent camera.  Why doesn't it do better?

There are so many possibilities; who knows.  One possible reason is that Sony lenses are very expensive and their selection of first party and especially third party accessories is only a tiny fraction of Canon's.  Another possible reason, as I've mentioned before, is that Canon's success in mirrorless could be in part people who are already sold on Canon and EF, and want a small, secondary body that is compatible with their lens collection in a pinch. 

If I ever bought mirrorless, this would be me, right up until the time that EVFs and battery life are as good as DSLRs for wildlife.

Another possibility -- I don't know how common this is, but some camera stores in my area refuse to demo Sony MILCs, especially the high end stuff (A7 and A9 bodies) and some even have a final sale policy on the full frame bodies (exchange for same model on DOA's only).


I say moniker because once people realize it has a 2.5x crop, they won’t be using it for 4K much.

Or, it could lead to a lot of EFM 11-22 sales :D  And like the EFS 10-18, it's a very nice lens for a great price.

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2018, 01:29:35 AM »
Wow canon behind Olympus, I understand this is my opinion but i think sony makes better mirrorless cameras than both the a9 and riii are tough to deny. How soon will it be before we see a Full Frame mirrorless from canon?

The Sony A9 is $4500 and the Sony A7R3 is $3200.  That's not where most of the mirrorless sales are.  I would say that if they looked at $3,000+ full frame mirrorless bodies... Sony has the market cornered :)

A better argument is that the Sony A6300 is an excellent camera.  Why doesn't it do better?

There are so many possibilities; who knows.  One possible reason is that Sony lenses are very expensive and their selection of first party and especially third party accessories is only a tiny fraction of Canon's.  Another possible reason, as I've mentioned before, is that Canon's success in mirrorless could be in part people who are already sold on Canon and EF, and want a small, secondary body that is compatible with their lens collection in a pinch. 

If I ever bought mirrorless, this would be me, right up until the time that EVFs and battery life are as good as DSLRs for wildlife.

Another possibility -- I don't know how common this is, but some camera stores in my area refuse to demo Sony MILCs, especially the high end stuff (A7 and A9 bodies) and some even have a final sale policy on the full frame bodies (exchange for same model on DOA's only).


I say moniker because once people realize it has a 2.5x crop, they won’t be using it for 4K much.

Or, it could lead to a lot of EFM 11-22 sales :D  And like the EFS 10-18, it's a very nice lens for a great price.

It'll be interesting to see whether the a73 at $2k makes a large difference in this or not - it doesn't give much up to the classic dslr now and the pricing is more suitable for the mainstream ff market. I can't see any significant trade-offs or drawbacks over something like the 6dmk2 or even the 5dmk4.

The canon m50 looks to be a reasonable entry level mirrorless but we all really want to see how canon will meet the ff mirrorless market

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2018, 01:49:47 AM »
It'll be interesting to see whether the a73 at $2k makes a large difference in this or not - it doesn't give much up to the classic dslr now and the pricing is more suitable for the mainstream ff market. I can't see any significant trade-offs or drawbacks over something like the 6dmk2 or even the 5dmk4.

The canon m50 looks to be a reasonable entry level mirrorless but we all really want to see how canon will meet the ff mirrorless market

It depends on what you want to shoot.  If your goal is to go out for a full day of wildlife photography, a 6D2 or 5D4 will easily let you spend 10+ hours looking through the viewfinder and take a thousand photos without a battery swap.  Or sports, where you need to look through the viewfinder for many hours.

It'll also feel ergonomically more balanced with those telephoto lenses and -- in my opinion -- just more fun to shoot.  You also pay a lot less for several lens options, plus, there are just a lot more lens options.

I haven't been able to give an A7R3 a fair shake in a studio setting, but the A7R2 EVF was pretty terrible with strobes firing all the time.  It was really quite annoying for me.  There are also some problems with third party accessories in this setting, like Skyport HSS compatibility with Sony (I couldn't get mine to work), and just generally a lot fewer third party accessories.

On the other hand, if your thing is event photography, and especially if you don't want to use a flash, I can totally see the EVFs being preferable.   And if you want to shoot candids, like street photography or family stuff, I totally understand how a smaller camera stands out less, and how WYSIWYG EVF makes life easier.

And I think if you're a video person, mirrorless is probably better all around.

But at the end of the day, most of these sales numbers are not about flagship models and not about sales to people who are professionals or extremely enthusiastic hobbyists.  What drives profits on the consumer end will be low end and midrange products, because let's be honest, not many people who don't have a passion for photography want to spend $4,000 - $10,000, even if they could afford to.


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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2018, 02:01:52 AM »
Wow canon behind Olympus, I understand this is my opinion but i think sony makes better mirrorless cameras than both the a9 and riii are tough to deny. How soon will it be before we see a Full Frame mirrorless from canon?

The Sony A9 is $4500 and the Sony A7R3 is $3200.  That's not where most of the mirrorless sales are.  I would say that if they looked at $3,000+ full frame mirrorless bodies... Sony has the market cornered :)

A better argument is that the Sony A6300 is an excellent camera.  Why doesn't it do better?

There are so many possibilities; who knows.  One possible reason is that Sony lenses are very expensive and their selection of first party and especially third party accessories is only a tiny fraction of Canon's.  Another possible reason, as I've mentioned before, is that Canon's success in mirrorless could be in part people who are already sold on Canon and EF, and want a small, secondary body that is compatible with their lens collection in a pinch. 

If I ever bought mirrorless, this would be me, right up until the time that EVFs and battery life are as good as DSLRs for wildlife.

Another possibility -- I don't know how common this is, but some camera stores in my area refuse to demo Sony MILCs, especially the high end stuff (A7 and A9 bodies) and some even have a final sale policy on the full frame bodies (exchange for same model on DOA's only).


I say moniker because once people realize it has a 2.5x crop, they won’t be using it for 4K much.

Or, it could lead to a lot of EFM 11-22 sales :D  And like the EFS 10-18, it's a very nice lens for a great price.

It'll be interesting to see whether the a73 at $2k makes a large difference in this or not - it doesn't give much up to the classic dslr now and the pricing is more suitable for the mainstream ff market. I can't see any significant trade-offs or drawbacks over something like the 6dmk2 or even the 5dmk4.

The canon m50 looks to be a reasonable entry level mirrorless but we all really want to see how canon will meet the ff mirrorless market

Nice points, also to mention Sigma, Tamron, and Tokina will soon offer FE mount lenses at reasonable prices. I believe this will also give Sony a huge boost in the mirrorless market. If canon decides to create a full frame mirroless are we going to see a new line of lenses? because I doubt the compatibility with EF lenses due to the flange distance.

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2018, 02:01:58 AM »
Wow canon behind Olympus, I understand this is my opinion but i think sony makes better mirrorless cameras than both the a9 and riii are tough to deny. How soon will it be before we see a Full Frame mirrorless from canon?

The Sony A9 is $4500 and the Sony A7R3 is $3200.  That's not where most of the mirrorless sales are.  I would say that if they looked at $3,000+ full frame mirrorless bodies... Sony has the market cornered :)

A better argument is that the Sony A6300 is an excellent camera.  Why doesn't it do better?

There are so many possibilities; who knows.  One possible reason is that Sony lenses are very expensive and their selection of first party and especially third party accessories is only a tiny fraction of Canon's.  Another possible reason, as I've mentioned before, is that Canon's success in mirrorless could be in part people who are already sold on Canon and EF, and want a small, secondary body that is compatible with their lens collection in a pinch. 

If I ever bought mirrorless, this would be me, right up until the time that EVFs and battery life are as good as DSLRs for wildlife.

Another possibility -- I don't know how common this is, but some camera stores in my area refuse to demo Sony MILCs, especially the high end stuff (A7 and A9 bodies) and some even have a final sale policy on the full frame bodies (exchange for same model on DOA's only).


I say moniker because once people realize it has a 2.5x crop, they won’t be using it for 4K much.

Or, it could lead to a lot of EFM 11-22 sales :D  And like the EFS 10-18, it's a very nice lens for a great price.

It'll be interesting to see whether the a73 at $2k makes a large difference in this or not - it doesn't give much up to the classic dslr now and the pricing is more suitable for the mainstream ff market. I can't see any significant trade-offs or drawbacks over something like the 6dmk2 or even the 5dmk4.

The canon m50 looks to be a reasonable entry level mirrorless but we all really want to see how canon will meet the ff mirrorless market

A7III has no advantage in size and weight.  Do we go mirrorless just for the sake of it?  Canon/Nikon may be better off making traditional FF DSLR (which is their strength) and compete based on function and performance.

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2018, 02:08:29 AM »
Wait, so is Canon releasing another entry-level mirrorless already next month? A successor to the M100 already or something even more low-end (”M1000”?)

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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2018, 02:08:29 AM »

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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2018, 02:26:28 AM »
A better argument is that the Sony A6300 is an excellent camera.  Why doesn't it do better?

It may or may not do well, but it's not an entry-level camera. The A5100 is, so the question is, why doesn't it do better.

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Re: Canon, King in SLR Cameras, Makes Inroads Into Mirrorless
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2018, 02:34:49 AM »
Canon hopes that the new product will attract demand from families, including mothers who enjoy taking pictures of their children.

Now we know what the target is ...
Now, Canon, make at least variants with some shades of pink. Those mothers will appreciate it.

Yeah, poor Mary Ellen Mark, Diane Arbus, Joyce Tenneson, Margaret Bourke White and Susan Meiselas, all they ever wanted was a pink camera.

You should have taken Lincoln's advice: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2018, 02:34:49 AM »