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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2018, 01:04:21 AM »
These replies are great, thank you all (so far) I shoot with a 5D3 and an M5. I have years of experience with the two versions of 100-400's even though I do not have one at this time. Therefore I figured the 150-600 would be 2nd nature in terms of zoom range and handling. I prefer to zoom with my feet over 35mm and have little use for a 24-70 in the wild (I do own the 2.8 Mkll) The 135L is my baby for those special abstract images the pools can offer. I have no issues with how I will use both that and the 16-35 (which utilizes my Formatt HiTech filter system)

The monetary variance of renting a 150-600 G2 vs a 500/600 Canon big white is  $300-400, so there's that...therefore I appreciate the feedback on the hunch that this may not be the time for me to experiment with huge primes. I'll have 3 full days and want to make the most of my time, using my previous experience there as a guide of what I want and how not to waste my time.

Funny how I have two other trips prior to this and I know just what to bring to California Central Coast and Kauai but YS is driving me nuts. Thanks again.

I agree with the tripod.  What do you say about the advice from others about how difficult it is to get technique down?  I have gotten pretty good with my 300 F 2.8 even with a 1.4 extender.  Is it really a steep learning curve stepping up to a 500?

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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2018, 01:04:21 AM »

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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2018, 01:05:06 AM »
Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS USM with Built-in Extender 1.4x Lens, and a burro to carry it all. ;)

Agreed and an. SBA loan to get one.

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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2018, 01:23:43 AM »
Go to this website and see what everyone else is using.
https://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/viewanim.htm
Also, 100 yards from bears and wolves.
If you feel like taking a shorter zoom lens and moving in closer by all means do so. I like the cell phone shooters, they give an added layer of protection between me and a bear.

Ha Ha.  I love the cell phone photographers.  I'm not that fast at running,  but I can outrun them- even with all my gear!

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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2018, 01:39:58 AM »
Go to this website and see what everyone else is using.
https://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/viewanim.htm
Also, 100 yards from bears and wolves.
If you feel like taking a shorter zoom lens and moving in closer by all means do so. I like the cell phone shooters, they give an added layer of protection between me and a bear.
Excellent resource-  Thank you.

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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2018, 07:45:35 AM »

I agree with the tripod.  What do you say about the advice from others about how difficult it is to get technique down?  I have gotten pretty good with my 300 F 2.8 even with a 1.4 extender.  Is it really a steep learning curve stepping up to a 500?


My comments on it taking some time to learn how to shoot with a  long prime were primarily in reference to photographing birds in flight.  Slow moving bears and other large mammals are much easier to shoot.  If you have experience with your 300 and extenders, a 500 f/4 won't be that much different.  Using a tripod or stabilizing your lens on your vehicle, tree or rock definitely helps, but with image stabilization, I can get good hand held shots with a 500 f/4 II and my 5DsR.  I'm not strong enough to hand hold for long periods of time, but sufficient for an animal or two.
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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2018, 11:05:10 AM »
I definitely don't intend to photograph fast moving bears.

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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2018, 11:07:53 AM »
I definitely don't intend to photograph fast moving bears.

No?, don't care to try and get both eyes in sharp focus in a shallow DoF plane at an ever decreasing distance?
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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2018, 11:07:53 AM »

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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2018, 12:46:41 PM »
What are some great lenses, focal lengths that have served you well in Yellowstone?

We visited Yellowstone NP for 5 days back in 2012.  At that time I had a 550D, EF-S 18-55 and 55-250mm.  250mm on a crop (400mm FF equivalent) was definitely not enough reach for wildlife.  I cropped most of my wildlife shots pretty heavily.  Yes, you will get some close-up wildlife encounters as well, but most will be fairly distant.  You will use your EF 16-35mm f/4 IS quite a bit, but will probably need a normal zoom as well, 24-70mm or 25-105 in addition to a long tele for wildlife.

Your long tele choice depends on your budget.  A 500 f/4 II would be my preference, but renting for a week will be expensive.  The Sigma C 150-600 and Tamron 150-600 G2 are both very well respected.  Auto focus will not be as good as one of the big whites, but autofocus requirements for shooting distant bears, bison, elk and moose is not nearly as demanding as BIF.



My question to anyone who has been there, should I rent a longer lens?
I will bring a 5DIII and 1DX II.  Would it be worth it to rent a 5dSR?


A 300 f/2.8 II is my longest lens as well.  I use mine all the time for wildlife with the 1.4x and 2.0x III extenders and it performs pretty well, but AF struggles a bit with the 2x.  For a trip like this, I would probably rent a 500 f/4 II or 600 f/4 II.  I would think your current cameras are certainly good enough unless you really want maximum resolution for large prints.

Anyone use Canon with the CPS benefits to "borrow" a lens?
Scott

I use it. I borrowed all their 400ish lenses before I bought mine. The return shipping is expensive (due to insurance), but it still typically comes out to be less than renting the lens.
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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2018, 12:56:09 PM »
Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS USM with Built-in Extender 1.4x Lens, and a burro to carry it all. ;)

I second this choice.

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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2018, 01:06:45 PM »
I definitely don't intend to photograph fast moving bears.
That would be the 1200F5.6.... you will have a hard time finding one to rent, but if you do, you can hide behind it from a charging bear....
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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2018, 01:53:14 PM »
Yellowstone, especially in summer, requires a very high degree of "situational awareness". Personally, I've found distracted drivers to be the greatest threat but the wildlife can be very unpredictable and surprisingly confrontational at times. So can over-stressed and over-worked park rangers. I wouldn't be able to get through one day of that job without tasing somebody.

How some folks get away with being so reckless with their safety is a marvel. No photo I've ever taken was worth the cost of getting mauled, gored, stomped or run over. YMMV

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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2018, 02:10:41 PM »
Yellowstone, especially in summer, requires a very high degree of "situational awareness". Personally, I've found distracted drivers to be the greatest threat but the wildlife can be very unpredictable and surprisingly confrontational at times. So can over-stressed and over-worked park rangers. I wouldn't be able to get through one day of that job without tasing somebody.

How some folks get away with being so reckless with their safety is a marvel. No photo I've ever taken was worth the cost of getting mauled, gored, stomped or run over. YMMV

Someone once said you won't lose money betting on the stupidity of humanity.  I have seen people put their lives/safety in serious jeopardy too, as they don understand animal behavior.
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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2018, 02:34:31 PM »
How some folks get away with being so reckless with their safety is a marvel. No photo I've ever taken was worth the cost of getting mauled, gored, stomped or run over. YMMV

We had someone done in by a beaver near here.... (think of a chainsaw with stubby legs). There are lots of ways to get it from wildlife....

It's really good to have a car or truck to hide in when the critters get a bit too aggressive. Make sure you have lots of time to get to safety, they can move surprisingly fast.

BTW, my truck at work has lots of dents in the driver's door from a particularly fowl Canada Goose.........
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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2018, 02:39:50 PM »
Yellowstone, especially in summer, requires a very high degree of "situational awareness". Personally, I've found distracted drivers to be the greatest threat but the wildlife can be very unpredictable and surprisingly confrontational at times. So can over-stressed and over-worked park rangers. I wouldn't be able to get through one day of that job without tasing somebody.

How some folks get away with being so reckless with their safety is a marvel. No photo I've ever taken was worth the cost of getting mauled, gored, stomped or run over. YMMV

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Re: Advice for renting a lens for Yellowstone
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BTW, my truck at work has lots of dents in the driver's door from a particularly fowl Canada Goose.........

One of the less welcome imports from our neighbors to the north.
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