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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2018, 10:35:47 PM »
I've not shot with the 70-200 2.8, but own the f4 ... and can't even imagine improving it much ... one of the best lenses I've ever owned.  So, an improvement on the 2.8 would be hard to figure out.  Lots of little fixes add up to a great lens tho, so maybe that, as happens occasionally.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2018, 10:35:47 PM »

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #91 on: May 18, 2018, 12:21:44 AM »
Is it not more likely that the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM (non IS) gets updated? It's a 1995 design compared to the IS II being a 2010 lens.

Ah..that may be the answer to the mystery. I just can't see Canon replacing the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II.  Just does not make any sense to me.

If you use the 100-400LII and the 70-200LII, you'll notice a few small things that you really wish were on the 70-200, like:

- Mode 3 Image Stabilization is really nice.  It's also possible that a new generation of IS gives one more stop of stabilization.
- The 100-400 tripod collar design is exceptional, providing super-smooth gliding rotation and a foot that you can replace with a third party alternative (eg arca foot).
- The lens hood on the newer little white has a CPL window
- Nicer paint!
- I prefer the MF ring on the 100-400LII, though that's comparing a 10/10 with a 10.5/10

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #92 on: May 18, 2018, 12:55:39 AM »
I know it is not a popular idea here, but wouldn't a mirrorless system with an MF sensor allow Canon to "protect" the EF legacy a little longer?
Do you realize that only TS-E lenses have an image circle big enough for a medium format?

Of course, I do. I am just speculating that making a non-EF mirrorless system would have more sense if there was a larger sensor as well.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #93 on: May 18, 2018, 01:29:56 AM »
Dammit Canon, right when I think I could finally go buy myself a nice prime lens this summer, you replace my most-used, most mission-critical lens.

Well, guess that 85mm f/1.4L IS can wait until next year.... My 70-200 f/2.8L IS II is my oldest lens still in service, and the age is starting to show. Have beat it up in all kinds of ways in all kinds of places. Not sure if it ever hasn't smelled like smoke with the amount of fire it has seen.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #94 on: May 18, 2018, 01:36:19 AM »
OR.......

There is always the possibility that they are making a whole bunch of very minor changes.... it could be that a special glass is hard to find and gets replaced with a newer element, newer coatings, a stop better IS, more exact machining to get rid of inconsistencies between units and/or to make assembly and testing easier.....

The better machining alone could be enough economic reason to come out with an updated version, and while you are at it, throw in the latest components, glass, and coatings....

Yep -- this is the likely guess (that I made earlier):  screw the videographers and just make a stellar stills instrument better 10% in a bunch of places.  And throw in a CPL hood window.  Done.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #95 on: May 18, 2018, 03:08:44 AM »
Can you tell me why you say "screw the videographers"?
Why would you consider the 70-200 IS II made for the videographers?

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #96 on: May 18, 2018, 06:50:27 AM »
Is it not more likely that the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM (non IS) gets updated? It's a 1995 design compared to the IS II being a 2010 lens.

Ah..that may be the answer to the mystery. I just can't see Canon replacing the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II.  Just does not make any sense to me.
If you use the 100-400LII and the 70-200LII, you'll notice a few small things that you really wish were on the 70-200, like:

- Mode 3 Image Stabilization is really nice.  It's also possible that a new generation of IS gives one more stop of stabilization.
- The 100-400 tripod collar design is exceptional, providing super-smooth gliding rotation and a foot that you can replace with a third party alternative (eg arca foot).
- The lens hood on the newer little white has a CPL window
- Nicer paint!
- I prefer the MF ring on the 100-400LII, though that's comparing a 10/10 with a 10.5/10

At the price of this next lens, I can get out my dremmel an cut a CPL window in the hood of my f/2.8L IS II, and save a bundle.! 👍 LOL! ...and what is Mode 3 Stabilization?
I have  Arca plate permanently attached to the foot...no biggie, there...
As suggested in this thread, perhaps this is an updated version of the f/2.8L non IS version?
We will soon see apparently!!!
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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #96 on: May 18, 2018, 06:50:27 AM »

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #97 on: May 18, 2018, 08:48:26 AM »
didn't read the whole thread to see if anyone mentioned vignetting with the II version. I use a thin B&W polarizer and there are still focal lengths with the II that vignette badly. I would upgrade just to get rid of this - assuming they go with an 82 mm filter, it should be sorted.
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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #98 on: May 18, 2018, 09:04:11 AM »
I know it is not a popular idea here, but wouldn't a mirrorless system with an MF sensor allow Canon to "protect" the EF legacy a little longer?
Do you realize that only TS-E lenses have an image circle big enough for a medium format?

True, but if you limit yourself to 40mm width by 32 height just about every full frame lens out there works. There is a lot of wiggle room. One application of that is squarely at the videographers - by having a 30% larger sensor by area you can capture full 35mm while digitally shifting the image for stabilization.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #99 on: May 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM »
Is it not more likely that the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM (non IS) gets updated? It's a 1995 design compared to the IS II being a 2010 lens.

Ah..that may be the answer to the mystery. I just can't see Canon replacing the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II.  Just does not make any sense to me.

If you use the 100-400LII and the 70-200LII, you'll notice a few small things that you really wish were on the 70-200, like:

- Mode 3 Image Stabilization is really nice.  It's also possible that a new generation of IS gives one more stop of stabilization.
- The 100-400 tripod collar design is exceptional, providing super-smooth gliding rotation and a foot that you can replace with a third party alternative (eg arca foot).
- The lens hood on the newer little white has a CPL window
- Nicer paint!
- I prefer the MF ring on the 100-400LII, though that's comparing a 10/10 with a 10.5/10

I would add the incredible close up capability of the 100-400mm II added to this lens would make it a real winner and by far best in class and unique compared to all other competitors. The 100-400 does the close focus at 400mm not like some so called macro zooms that you only do it at the wide setting.
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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #100 on: May 18, 2018, 10:40:28 AM »
didn't read the whole thread to see if anyone mentioned vignetting with the II version. I use a thin B&W polarizer and there are still focal lengths with the II that vignette badly. I would upgrade just to get rid of this - assuming they go with an 82 mm filter, it should be sorted.

That's kind of shocking to hear for something with such a narrow field of view.  I'm used to sweating thin vs. thick CPL on wide lenses but not a 70-200.

Can you describe when this happens for you?  Presume 70mm + MFD?

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #101 on: May 18, 2018, 10:49:49 AM »
I would add the incredible close up capability of the 100-400mm II added to this lens would make it a real winner and by far best in class and unique compared to all other competitors. The 100-400 does the close focus at 400mm not like some so called macro zooms that you only do it at the wide setting.

Canon has a 0.7x max mag zoom L lens that works only on the longest focal length.  It's funny that I seem to hear about 3x more about the marvel of the 100-400L II's and Tamron 35's max magnification than I do about the 24-70 f/4L IS.  Why is that?

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #102 on: May 18, 2018, 10:54:40 AM »
didn't read the whole thread to see if anyone mentioned vignetting with the II version. I use a thin B&W polarizer and there are still focal lengths with the II that vignette badly. I would upgrade just to get rid of this - assuming they go with an 82 mm filter, it should be sorted.

That's kind of shocking to hear for something with such a narrow field of view.  I'm used to sweating thin vs. thick CPL on wide lenses but not a 70-200.

Can you describe when this happens for you?  Presume 70mm + MFD?

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I saw it at 100mm f/5.6 focused at infinity.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #102 on: May 18, 2018, 10:54:40 AM »

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #103 on: May 18, 2018, 12:38:58 PM »
I saw it at 100mm f/5.6 focused at infinity.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=5296.msg104929#msg104929

That is shocking.  Will test mine now.

Update:  doesn't seem to be happening on my end. 

At least with a quick test on my 5D3 with PIC turned off, infinity focus (MF) shot at a white sky from 70, 100, 135, 200, I'm not seeing it with either my standard (non-slim) UV or standard (non-slim) CPL -- both F-Pro from B+W.  I did not use a hood.

(I did this very very quickly and just chimped off the LCD, in fairness -- any chance the LCD ever-so-slightly crops the output and I'd actually see blackened corners in ACR/PS?)

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #104 on: May 18, 2018, 12:45:34 PM »
Is it not more likely that the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM (non IS) gets updated? It's a 1995 design compared to the IS II being a 2010 lens.

Ah..that may be the answer to the mystery. I just can't see Canon replacing the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II.  Just does not make any sense to me.
If you use the 100-400LII and the 70-200LII, you'll notice a few small things that you really wish were on the 70-200, like:

- Mode 3 Image Stabilization is really nice.  It's also possible that a new generation of IS gives one more stop of stabilization.
- The 100-400 tripod collar design is exceptional, providing super-smooth gliding rotation and a foot that you can replace with a third party alternative (eg arca foot).
- The lens hood on the newer little white has a CPL window
- Nicer paint!
- I prefer the MF ring on the 100-400LII, though that's comparing a 10/10 with a 10.5/10

At the price of this next lens, I can get out my dremmel an cut a CPL window in the hood of my f/2.8L IS II, and save a bundle.! 👍 LOL! ...and what is Mode 3 Stabilization?
I have  Arca plate permanently attached to the foot...no biggie, there...
As suggested in this thread, perhaps this is an updated version of the f/2.8L non IS version?
We will soon see apparently!!!

I'm not suggesting that minor upgrades justify buying a new lens, but lenses do get worn out through regular use and wear and tear; as well, for other reasons (like not owning the predecessor), people do buy new ones.

So nearly a decade later, why not refresh it so that the new one has the little things that are nice? :)

If there are some big things, that's great too.  But as someone who is very happy with their 70-200/2.8IS II, I don't really need any big things.

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Re: New Canon 70-200mm Lenses Coming in Early June [CR3]
« Reply #104 on: May 18, 2018, 12:45:34 PM »