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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2018, 08:33:13 AM »
Dear Canon,
do not waste precious time, effort and resources by adding useless GIMMICKS to lenses. Instead, please focus on finally bringing a decent FF mirrorless system to market.
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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2018, 08:33:13 AM »

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2018, 09:47:05 AM »
Yet another useless upgrade.

+1. Instead of adding useless LCD display windows to the kit lenses Canon should improve the Image Quality and raise the maximum aperture of them. An EF-S 18-55mm f/2.8-4 IS (ring-type) USM would be much more useful than the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Mark 6. :(

Which would increase the price. This is the entry-level *kit lens*. Sales are driven by price, especially at the low end. The average newbie would barely notice or understand the difference between f/2.8 and f/3.5, but they would notice if the kit went up in price by $50. Some would also be put off by the increase in size and weight it would inevitably entail.

If you want better image quality and/or wider aperture, trade up. There are plenty of higher-quality options in the Canon lineup.
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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2018, 10:11:41 AM »
Yet another useless upgrade.

+1. Instead of adding useless LCD display windows to the kit lenses Canon should improve the Image Quality and raise the maximum aperture of them. An EF-S 18-55mm f/2.8-4 IS (ring-type) USM would be much more useful than the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Mark 6. :(
Which would increase the price. This is the entry-level *kit lens*. Sales are driven by price, especially at the low end. The average newbie would barely notice or understand the difference between f/2.8 and f/3.5, but they would notice if the kit went up in price by $50. Some would also be put off by the increase in size and weight it would inevitably entail.

If you want better image quality and/or wider aperture, trade up. There are plenty of higher-quality options in the Canon lineup.

So funny. defend, defend, defend. All day long. Apologize, apologize, apologize Canon. No matter how useless a feature, how sub-par a product or how just plain wrong a Canon business practice is, it will be apologized by Canapologists here. Really fun to watch.  Since they are not marketing shills, one has to ask as to WHY they the apologists are acting that way.

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2018, 01:42:38 PM »
Dear Canon,
do not waste precious time, effort and resources by adding useless GIMMICKS to lenses. Instead, please focus on finally bringing a decent FF mirrorless system to market.
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If you think that managing aberration in a rather dark lens is a GIMMICK, that is fine!
But before claiming that it is useless at least read the patent document to find out what it is about.
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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2018, 02:17:18 PM »
since you did not care to read, but only post: we were only talking about the (possible) useless LCD info display on the lens barrel. Any other possible improvements were not subject of this thread so far.

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2018, 03:16:34 PM »
since you did not care to read, but only post: we were only talking about the (possible) useless LCD info display on the lens barrel. Any other possible improvements were not subject of this thread so far.
Actually the text document of the patent (in Japanese) is about aberration that is adaptively corrected based on the focal distance. It has nothing to do with the LCD screen. All the explanation is about the camera and lens that have this technology built into them. The LCD screen is just an example of showing the focal distance nothing else. There is no mention that this LCD screen is an integral part of this patent/technology. Read it then argue.

 

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2018, 04:20:09 PM »
read the thread title. Up to now, all that was discussed in this thread was the "LCD display" gimmick.  Wich is utterly useless. Only Canapologists see even this ... apologetic.

If the Canon patent also includes IQ improvements that are visible in real life, nobody will have anything against that.

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2018, 04:20:09 PM »

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2018, 01:58:58 AM »
handy for scrolling text advertising on your WiFi enabled camera bodies. ;)

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2018, 04:22:34 AM »
handy for scrolling text advertising on your WiFi enabled camera bodies. ;)

hehe! Not on a lens barrel display, it would not get much attention. ;-)

But I would not be surprised to see video ads pop-up on back LCDs of WiFi enabled-cameras and in electronic viewfinders ;-) and/or ransomware ... "transfer ### bitcoins immediately or your camera will be bricked beyond repair"! :o  ;) 

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2018, 07:30:45 AM »
since you did not care to read, but only post: we were only talking about the (possible) useless LCD info display on the lens barrel. Any other possible improvements were not subject of this thread so far.
Actually the text document of the patent (in Japanese) is about aberration that is adaptively corrected based on the focal distance. It has nothing to do with the LCD screen. All the explanation is about the camera and lens that have this technology built into them. The LCD screen is just an example of showing the focal distance nothing else. There is no mention that this LCD screen is an integral part of this patent/technology. Read it then argue.
Correct! BUT (and this is a very big BUT) the Forum writer(s) themselves chose to use as a title: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?

So they intentionally turned the attention to that instead of the patent content. So the topic of this thread is this possibility and not the very welcome IQ enhancements.

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2018, 08:36:15 AM »
since you did not care to read, but only post: we were only talking about the (possible) useless LCD info display on the lens barrel. Any other possible improvements were not subject of this thread so far.
Actually the text document of the patent (in Japanese) is about aberration that is adaptively corrected based on the focal distance. It has nothing to do with the LCD screen. All the explanation is about the camera and lens that have this technology built into them. The LCD screen is just an example of showing the focal distance nothing else. There is no mention that this LCD screen is an integral part of this patent/technology. Read it then argue.
Correct! BUT (and this is a very big BUT) the Forum writer(s) themselves chose to use as a title: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?

So they intentionally turned the attention to that instead of the patent content. So the topic of this thread is this possibility and not the very welcome IQ enhancements.

So, when someone looks deeper into the facts than the surface, that's an excuse to insult them?  Actually, it's not surprising coming from someone who's shown a complete disregard for facts and a penchant for bigotry.

The 'gimmick' of an LCD display on the lens aside, it's good to see Canon working on IQ improvements for kit lenses.  For those who don't believe they would do so, I'd suggest comparing the EF-S 55-250mm IS II to the newer IS STM version. 

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2018, 09:10:22 AM »
since you did not care to read, but only post: we were only talking about the (possible) useless LCD info display on the lens barrel. Any other possible improvements were not subject of this thread so far.
Actually the text document of the patent (in Japanese) is about aberration that is adaptively corrected based on the focal distance. It has nothing to do with the LCD screen. All the explanation is about the camera and lens that have this technology built into them. The LCD screen is just an example of showing the focal distance nothing else. There is no mention that this LCD screen is an integral part of this patent/technology. Read it then argue.
Correct! BUT (and this is a very big BUT) the Forum writer(s) themselves chose to use as a title: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?

So they intentionally turned the attention to that instead of the patent content. So the topic of this thread is this possibility and not the very welcome IQ enhancements.

So, when someone looks deeper into the facts than the surface, that's an excuse to insult them?  Actually, it's not surprising coming from someone who's shown a complete disregard for facts and a penchant for bigotry.

The 'gimmick' of an LCD display on the lens aside, it's good to see Canon working on IQ improvements for kit lenses.  For those who don't believe they would do so, I'd suggest comparing the EF-S 55-250mm IS II to the newer IS STM version.

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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2018, 09:47:34 AM »
The 'gimmick' of an LCD display on the lens aside, it's good to see Canon working on IQ improvements for kit lenses.  For those who don't believe they would do so, I'd suggest comparing the EF-S 55-250mm IS II to the newer IS STM version.

As stated before: nobody minds optical improvements to Canon lenses. Especially the Canon EF-S 18-55 really needed a good deal of improvements - in many, many tiny iterations - to make it from totally sub-par coke-bottle bottom shard [yes, I am talking of EF-S 18-55 1st gen and yes, I used it] to the really decent latest STM incarnation.

The ONLY thing I - and others here! - have done, was to state that there would be more worthwhile areas for Canon to spend time, effort and resources on than on an LCD display on the lens barrel. This was 100% ON TOPIC with thread title.

Which unfortunately cannot be said of your and other forum-known Canapologists' "incessant bleating and burping".
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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2018, 10:43:32 AM »
The ONLY thing I - and others here! - have done, was to state that there would be more worthwhile areas for Canon to spend time, effort and resources on than on an LCD display on the lens barrel. This was 100% ON TOPIC with thread title.

Which unfortunately cannot be said of your and other forum-known Canapologists' "incessant bleating and burping".

Yeah, you’re right.  Why would consumers want a distance scale on their lenses?  What a useless feature.  I mean, it’s on all the high-end lenses, but those plebeian consumers don’t need it.  What the hell is Canon thinking, wasting time and resources on such a feature when they should be spending their time developing the specific products that one self-aggrandizing egotistical Canowhiner wants for himself.
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Re: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2018, 11:49:52 AM »
distance information is not needed by majority typical purchasers and users of kit lenses. And if, a few etched markings would more than suffice. Especially when the information provided on the LCD is as user-unfriendly in its presentation as in case of the Canon EF 70-300 IS II.

An LCD can provide more useful information than etched markings, but only if done right. Neither users of kit needs nor anybody else in their right mind needs a lens barrel LCD showing "currently selected focal length" on a zoom, when that information is also clearly visible on zoom ring markings. Even less so an automatic "FF equivalent focal length, when the lens is used on an APS-C sensor camera". The only useful information on a distance scale is "what DISTANCE has AF focused on currently and what DOF in front an in back do I have at the f-stop currently selected". Canon provides that information in a convoluted, old-school way. Zeiss Batis lenses show it much better, clearer, user- and n00b-kit-lens-user friendlier. Canon implementation is stupid and sucks from start to end. I trust you recognize the difference in usefulness and usability.

But even on the Zeiss Batis lenses the LCD is a mere gimmick, not needed. There is one place where distance [currently focused distance!] + DOF information [pertaining to currently selected f-stop] should be displayed: in the (electronic) viewfinder and/or on back LCD of camera - whichever one is active.

Lens LCD display = total Canon fail on all counts.


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« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2018, 11:49:52 AM »