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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #255 on: February 23, 2012, 02:05:24 AM »
Reading all the things, specs and information for about last few months i really regret changing my gear about a year ago. Now i am almost decided I will switch once more, but i think that would the last one. Hate selling things via internet, especially expensive things like lens. Have no idea what pushed me for leaving Nikon, as far as I remeber it was iso 100 (noisy by the way), 135 2.0, and 35 1.4 and higher mpix. Now the market looks completely different, and i am stuck.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #255 on: February 23, 2012, 02:05:24 AM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #256 on: February 23, 2012, 02:11:14 AM »
Reading all the things, specs and information for about last few months i really regret changing my gear about a year ago. Now i am almost decided I will switch once more, but i think that would the last one. Hate selling things via internet, especially expensive things like lens. Have no idea what pushed me for leaving Nikon, as far as I remeber it was iso 100 (noisy by the way), 135 2.0, and 35 1.4 and higher mpix. Now the market looks completely different, and i am stuck.
Just how are you stuck?

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iso 100 (noisy by the way),

Still here

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135 2.0,

Still here

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and 35 1.4

Still here

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and higher mpix.

The only thing we've lost out to - or have we?

If you've got the funds to jump around year after year to which system has the newer update, you're gonna get pretty tired...

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #257 on: February 23, 2012, 02:29:40 AM »
I am SOOOO happy Canon did not go up to 30MP+. . . THIS is perfect, and they may get the edge over Nikon in all the tests on ISO now AND AF.

Nikon folks have also had to go on the defensive about actually using the D800. Apparently the technical manual warns against hand held photography as there's an increased risk of blurred images. I'm sure wedding photographers will love that. Or they'll be forced to shoot at ISO 6400 all the time so that they can shoot indoors at 1/320 in order to prevent the bride's dress becoming a blurry mess.

The tech manual doesn't warn against shooting handheld, but it does encourage shooting with a tripod to reduce motion blur due to the high mp, they are basically giving a no nonsense tip. They are actually saying that because they have such a high mp camera, you will now be able notice the imperfections in your photos even more than you used too, so the tripod encouragement should come as no surprise. I can't imagine any camera manufacturer promoting shooting handheld over tripod for any reason.

Here the tech manual for those interested

http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf

As problems such as this and diffraction become more of an issue though it does potentially have an impact on the market.

"Landscape" is a pretty broad market afterall, I'm sure it makes up a very sizeble part of 5D mk2 sales but is all of that market using TSE lenses and shooting from tripods most of the time? I'd guess no,  most of them are using a 24-105 IS, 70-200 f/4 or 17-40 hand held and are probabley not printing larger than A2 very often. For many of those people the 5D mk3 seems like it may actually a be a superior landscape camera(certainly a much cheaper one than buying  12-24, 24-70 and 70-200 2.8 lenses for the D800) if the ISO performance is better than the Nikon and the standard zoom lens in the normal range has IS.

As has been said the question to me seems to be how sucessful will Canon be at transmitting that message? doesnt seem like the kind of thing that can really be gotten across easily in adverts depending more of reviewers and shop reps to bring it up. I spose Canon will have the advanatge that they can include the 24-105 IS as a kit lens and still utilise alot of the new sensors resolution where as Nikon likely won't be able to with the 24-120 VR.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #258 on: February 23, 2012, 02:45:41 AM »
The only remaining details yet to be CR3'ed would be the FPS (jeez, Canon, no more decimal point FPS crap like 6.3/3.9/3.7/3.4 FPS on previous bodies, those "new" CIPA regulations date back to 2007, make it whole numbers like other manufacturers have done, if it's 7FPS make sure it does 7FPS on actual testing, if it's 8FPS, same thing, etc.) and native ISO range (NL has it at 100-25600, only a stop below the D1x's native range, and a stop above D4 and two stops above D800 native range).

In summary, this 5D specs get my vote as my personal "achievable dream all-around cam".  8)
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #259 on: February 23, 2012, 03:27:17 AM »
Looks like a great update on paper. We'll have to wait and see what the full spec list is going to be. Like the dual slots. Maybe the compact design prevents them from having two dual CF's, but this is fine as well. I currently shoot with a 64gb sd in my 1d IV and 1Ds III and this works fine; the camera shoots raw on slot 1 and 2, where the sd is in slot 2 and smaller CF cards are in slot 1.

Glad it isn't a megapixel monster like the D800. This will really screw up some people's workflow (it would screw up mine, anyway - would need lots more cards, working off the NAS would be f*ckup up with these large raw files, etc.) and it also means Canon has probably chosen for better high iso / dr. I wouldn't be surprised if they release a high megapixel body later...or maybe even a whole new medium format line? ;)


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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #260 on: February 23, 2012, 03:55:31 AM »
I read a few pages but got tired of reading about pricing. . . . point taken on both sides.

I really do not see this price as being that much of a surprise. . . especially if the SAME AF that is on the 1Dx will be on the 5D mkIII . . AND with dedicated digic4! It will probably have 1 digic 5+ and not 2 . . . so far enough to understand the price increase over the 5DmkII. Also keep in mind that it will have new sensor technology over older 5D AND better video. For the rest of us, all this is a dream considering some of us (like me) were willing to dive off the deep end to get a 1Dx. . . . hell we can get 2 mkIII. . . . AND the price WILL drop, thanks to Nikonian competition, and simply regular market fluctuations and history, too.

Think about this also, that if you are a pro, and wanted to get 2 1Dx, you can now safely buy 1 1DX and 1 5DmkIII, and feel perfectly confident.

I am SOOOO happy Canon did not go up to 30MP+. . . THIS is perfect, and they may get the edge over Nikon in all the tests on ISO now AND AF.

I REALLY need a new system before end of April, so I hope I can get my hands on a 5DmkIII by then . . .

Price of 3500$ is high in comparison with 5D and 5D II. There is no way to argue.
I would like to compare new 5D to a MERCEDES and 1DX to a FERRARI.
This is not because you will add many improvements to your new MERCEDES that you will have to pay the price of a FERRARI...
This is not because you add automatic multizone air cooled in your car, even if a great improvement, that you will have to pay the price of a FERRARI.

Or the Canon politics for 5D has changed and the target public for 5D is no more amateurs like me but only professionals ?

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #261 on: February 23, 2012, 03:56:23 AM »
Absolutely nothing in this specification to interest me - I'll stick with 5D2 until i can afford to get a D800E (and lenses)

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #261 on: February 23, 2012, 03:56:23 AM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #262 on: February 23, 2012, 04:13:41 AM »
You should wait for the 5DV - THAT is the one you are waiting for.

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So.... should I preorder or wait for the 5DmkIV?
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #263 on: February 23, 2012, 04:14:38 AM »
If the specs and price are true... then i will order a 5Dmk2 for $2200 ( where i live ) for studio work and a 7D for outdoor.

The final result will be $3650... for a 5Dmk2 and a 7D..... HMMMMMMM


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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #264 on: February 23, 2012, 04:22:00 AM »
i am happy that i dint pull the trigger when there were great discounts on 5D2 (in December). No doubt 5D2 WILL remain a great camera. But then, since i had/have the choice of waiting i feel better now :)

I only hope Canon starts shipping earlier than June. Read *high hopes* - heck, Feb 27/28 is still a rumor ( albeit, a highly plausible one).



BTW, have you gotten your 1Dx yet? Oh, wait....

oh, wait.. didn't neuro mean exactly that when he finished with saying "oh, wait.." ?   :D

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #265 on: February 23, 2012, 04:45:26 AM »

Price of 3500$ is high in comparison with 5D and 5D II. There is no way to argue.
I would like to compare new 5D to a MERCEDES and 1DX to a FERRARI.
This is not because you will add many improvements to your new MERCEDES that you will have to pay the price of a FERRARI...
This is not because you add automatic multizone air cooled in your car, even if a great improvement, that you will have to pay the price of a FERRARI.

Or the Canon politics for 5D has changed and the target public for 5D is no more amateurs like me but only professionals ?

The Mercedes has been pushed up to the realm of a souped-up AMG.  ( if you do not already know what that is... you shouldn't bother talking about Ferrari's ... )   :P

If you want to say, its like the Mercedes SLK versus the Mercedes Mclaren SLR. Both are of the Mercedes SL pedigree but one costs more than 3 times the other ... Because everything that can be improved had been improved and exceeded upon. 

In the first place, you should be buying what you can afford. If you can't then you should buy a Fiat Panda instead or a regular Mercedes instead (if the penny stretches that far). Likewise for cameras.

Let market forces dictate.

If Canon priced this camera too high, and the market refuses to accept it, it will bomb ... But if Canon got it right .. it will be another best seller ... like the 5DmkII.


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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #266 on: February 23, 2012, 05:09:55 AM »
If Canon priced this camera too high, and the market refuses to accept it, it will bomb ... But if Canon got it right .. it will be another best seller ... like the 5DmkII.

the last 18 month i knew i would buy the 5D MK3 so i put aside some money i need for an upgrade form my 5D MK2.

3000-3500$ is not cheap these days but you don´t need a 5D MK3 to make good pictures.
there are plenty of cheaper cameras in the canon lineup.

if you want a porsche you have to pay for a porsche.
and in the end.. lets face it... you can hardly use it´s full potential.   ;)

show someone A4 prints from a 550D and a 5D MK2 and 99% can not say what is what.



 
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #267 on: February 23, 2012, 05:17:32 AM »
If Canon priced this camera too high, and the market refuses to accept it, it will bomb ... But if Canon got it right .. it will be another best seller ... like the 5DmkII.

the last 18 month i knew i would buy the 5D MK3 so i put aside some money i need for an upgrade form my 5D MK2.

3000-3500$ is not cheap these days but you don´t need a 5D MK3 to make good pictures.
there are plenty of cheaper cameras in the canon lineup.

if you want a porsche you have to pay for a porsche.
and in the end.. lets face it... you can hardly use it´s full potential.   ;)

show someone A4 prints from a 550D and a 5D MK2 and 99% can not say what is what.

 

That depends if it was shot under very low lighting :P

Good point though!

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #267 on: February 23, 2012, 05:17:32 AM »

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« Reply #268 on: February 23, 2012, 05:24:37 AM »
If Canon priced this camera too high, and the market refuses to accept it, it will bomb ... But if Canon got it right .. it will be another best seller ... like the 5DmkII.

the last 18 month i knew i would buy the 5D MK3 so i put aside some money i need for an upgrade form my 5D MK2.

3000-3500$ is not cheap these days but you don´t need a 5D MK3 to make good pictures.
there are plenty of cheaper cameras in the canon lineup.

if you want a porsche you have to pay for a porsche.
and in the end.. lets face it... you can hardly use it´s full potential.   ;)

show someone A4 prints from a 550D and a 5D MK2 and 99% can not say what is what.



 

Unless shooting in low light with a wide aperture prime. I could definitely tell you which is which ;) But I can see what you mean.

I would far rather an expensive camera with all the features I need to do my job than a cheaper camera that is 'crippled' in some way.

From all the previous polls - everyone was completely satisfied with the performance of the 5DMKII but the autofocus was ridiculous for what was otherwise a superb camera. They have answered the customers demand and given us a hell of a lot of autofocus points.

I think it is going to be my perfect camera.

To all those 'threatening' to jump to nikon - I do wonder at what sized print you will see a difference between 22mp and 36mp?

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #269 on: February 23, 2012, 05:39:27 AM »
Unless shooting in low light with a wide aperture prime. I could definitely tell you which is which ;) But I can see what you mean.

well others have said that and proved wrong (in magazine tests and you can read it on luminous landscape).   ;)

medium format prints vs. prints from G10:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml


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Over a two day period I invited photographers and local industry professionals to come to my print studio and look at a series of 13X19" prints from an Epson 3800 printer made on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk paper which were then hung side by side on my floor-standing print viewing box. This collection of seven people included experienced photographers, people from the commercial print industry, and other trade professionals. Between them there was at least 200 years of photographic industry shooting and printing experience.
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The Results

In every case no one could reliably tell the difference between 13X19" prints shot with the $40,000 Hasselblad and Phase One 39 Megapixel back, and the new $500 Canon G10. In the end no one got more than 60% right, and overall the split was about 50 / 50, with no clear differentiator. In other words, no better than chance.

In fact it was the H2 system's narrower depth of field that occasionally was the only clear give-away. Some viewers eventually figured out that the prints with the narrower depth of field were from medium format, while other photographers chose the G10 images because with its wider depth of field it created an overall impression of greater sharpness.

Needless to say there was much shaking of heads and muttering. Could this be? Could a $500 digicam equal a $40,000 medium format digital system in image quality, at least in prints up to 13X19" (Super A3)?

it´s a bit like modern art experts.
they think they now modern art ... until you show them pictures painted by monkeys....   ;D

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #269 on: February 23, 2012, 05:39:27 AM »