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Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« on: March 29, 2012, 08:04:39 AM »
I want to share my thoughts & questions with all you people of Canon Rumors.
Who knows, maybe some of you knows the answer to my question.

I'm curious...

1x Digic IV is required for processing 1080p at /24/25/30fps (Canon 5DMark II)

1x Digic 5+ (aprox. 17x faster than Digic IV) is required for processing 1080p at /24/25/30fps (Canon 5DMark III)

2x Digic 5+ (on the side + 1 Digic 4 for mettering) is required for processing 1080p at /24/25/30fps (Canon 1Dx)

C'mon Canon...  ::)

O.K. so you have improved video codec in 5dMarkIII/1Dx series, and that's great, but...
With improved codec, you delivered extreme processing speed, particularly in 1Dx (double power od 5dMarkIII which is already 17x faster than 5DMarkII).
I hope all that power is not implemented for shooting stills only?!

So my question is how much raw processor power does 1080p/60fps video really needs?  :o

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Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« on: March 29, 2012, 08:04:39 AM »

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 09:31:41 AM »
I think the MagicLantern guys could answer your question if they manage to Hack the DIGIC V+ procesor.

Or you culd make a timlapse of the milky way couse the answer could be writen in the stars. Meh ok i know.
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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 10:56:54 AM »
It's in Canon's philosophy to cripple functionality as a basis for product differentiation. Many idosyncrasies like this can be explained off with this Philosophy.

The rest is just Dogmatic behaviour, like why not support higher than Class-10 speeds in SD or why not have USB 3 in a 2012 model...

Sometimes we just need to accept (and love) what we have.  ;)
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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 10:05:58 AM »
I do not think it is the processing power that is limiting the output. I think what would be limiting it is the storage speed.

I think the decision to not support faster speeds etc has more to do with crippling video so that they can "differentiate" their upcoming video camera.

My 2 cents

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 10:19:24 AM »
I doubt it is a storage issue, probably more of a chip read-out issue. To read 22mp worth of data 60 times a second requires some serious data buses from the sensor to the Digic chips. Canon did improve these, but maybe they still are not fast enough for 1080p60. For the 720p60 they might be using sensor line skipping to get the speed/size reduction they need, but at the expense of quality.
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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 11:03:56 AM »
Forgive me, it's still early in the morning here where i am, but you guys are griping that the 5d3, a 3500, doesn't have the same features that the much more expensive C300 or the rumors 4k camera will/may have?  Really?  I dont think the 5d series (after the mark 2) was ever intended to take over as a professional video recorder... It's a DSLR with video capabilities... There are people complaining that they even put video in the 5d series let alone advance it to where it is now... They cant win if they do, they cant win if they dont...
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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 11:10:38 AM »
Forgive me, it's still early in the morning here where i am, but you guys are griping that the 5d3, a 3500, doesn't have the same features that the much more expensive C300 or the rumors 4k camera will/may have?  Really?  I dont think the 5d series (after the mark 2) was ever intended to take over as a professional video recorder... It's a DSLR with video capabilities... There are people complaining that they even put video in the 5d series let alone advance it to where it is now... They cant win if they do, they cant win if they dont...

So why Nikon do the same? They don't have the 1080p60 either. Or is this part of contract they have with Sony?
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 11:48:51 AM »
Part of the "extra" processing power goes to reduce moire and rolling shutter but the other reasons are definitely a  possibility

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2012, 12:01:34 PM »
Forgive me, it's still early in the morning here where i am, but you guys are griping that the 5d3, a 3500, doesn't have the same features that the much more expensive C300 or the rumors 4k camera will/may have?  Really?  I dont think the 5d series (after the mark 2) was ever intended to take over as a professional video recorder... It's a DSLR with video capabilities... There are people complaining that they even put video in the 5d series let alone advance it to where it is now... They cant win if they do, they cant win if they dont...

So why Nikon do the same? They don't have the 1080p60 either. Or is this part of contract they have with Sony?

Cant speak for nikon, their technology or their relationship with sony.  Maybe the technology is there for a DSLR to do it, maybe not... maybe it's a conspiracy to make you pay more for another camera, maybe not.  As far as i'm aware and concerned, this whole video thing, to canon is a happy accident.  Probably threw it in and got phenomenal response and so they refined it and perfected it (less moire/rolling shutter/cleaner files)... But it is what it is.  Not speaking for them or giving excuses... But thinking the 5d is a camera first, camcorder second, i dont think they are trying to screw anyone in particular, it's just that, if they can get it so it packages well within a dslr and not redesign everything just to accommodate it the video system, great, we will see video and it's improvements in the 5d series... but if they have to redesign the chips. processors, busses, etc just for video, then you have to really weigh if it's worth it. 
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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2012, 04:21:24 PM »
I think they could do it but they wont.  Canon is doing it with the 1dc which has the same processor as the 1dx so they could do it for sure.  However they feel we should pay 15k for such features!  Not!

They are creaping their camera.  I think this is only because we have two groups now deciding on design features: video and still.  With all the models they have out, heck they need something to differentiate right...

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2012, 05:08:17 PM »
Sony Nex can do 1080/60p at 28mbps but Canon 5D3 can't. Go figure...
I don't buy the crap about sensor readout or processor speed. It's a 2012 high end electronic product, it has to be able to do 1080/60p at a decent bitrate.

Canon says digiv5+ is 17x faster than digic4. I wanna see this 17x increase in calculations do something useful in real life.
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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2012, 05:10:43 PM »
Sony Nex can do 1080/60p at 28mbps but Canon 5D3 can't. Go figure...
I don't buy the crap about sensor readout or processor speed. It's a 2012 high end electronic product, it has to be able to do 1080/60p at a decent bitrate.

Canon says digiv5+ is 17x faster than digic4. I wanna see this 17x increase in calculations do something useful in real life.

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Re: Canon 5D MarkIII & 1Dx - 1080p/60fps???
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2012, 05:41:17 PM »
Is there any chance of support 60fps at 1920x1080p by firmware/software upgrade?
We have been waiting for 1Dx for too long, Canon could reward our patience.  ::)
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2012, 05:59:21 PM »
This is coming from a television photographer (and I'm probably gonna get blasted for this)...

I think people are forgetting that these are still cameras FIRST with video capabilities/features.  I own two 5DMKII's and a 5DMKIII(plus probably $10k-$12k in Canon still glass) and i do not, have not and don't care about shooting video with them.  Don't get me wrong, it's great that they can and do and I know A LOT of people using them professionally on the video side.  And if requested to by a client, I would too.  But these are still cameras and people are getting up in arms like Panasonic or Sony took a $40k-$50k HD camera and now only allow it to record miniDV instead of HDCAM or DVCProHD.  It's not that bad guys.  My two HD cameras total north of $90k(bodies only) and neither one does 1080/60p.  Granted, I'm not shooting movies, but it's not hurting me either.

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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2012, 01:21:43 AM »
Chuck Westfall is touting 1080P60 and Clean HDMI as distinguishing features in the 1DC in this interview so I won't hold my breath for those.

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