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Canon did everything it could in 5D3
poias:
I sincerely believe that Canon did everything it could to 5D3. Its AF is dramatically improved, its body is improved, and its shooting is improved. There is no question that if Canon had improved sensor, they would have made it part of 5D3. So, if/when Canon has a modern sensor, it will make it part of 5D4 or 5D5.
Canon just does not have a modern sensor or technology for the price point, thus 5D3 had to be content with 5D2 sensor.
That above was our conclusion and the factor in not completely switching to Nikon. We will hang on to our Canon gears (lenses and flashes mostly) for a year or two.
BillyBean:
I'm sorry, I don't buy this theory for a nanosecond.
I think the most likely reason that the 5D3 has the specification it has is that it is designed for wedding and event photographers. If you look at this market, the price, image quality and framerate is pretty well perfect, from what I understand.
Later in the year, likely a studio camera will come out with high MP, lower frame rate, perhaps worse autofocus.
For those with less cash (enthusiasts and amateurs), there is the 5D mk 2.
Nikon is a smaller company who don't have the resources of Canon, which is why they have to buy in sensors. Canon have already proven in the 7D sensor that they can make high density excellent sensors, and even allowing for lower yield of the larger die (dye?) it is still feasible to produce circa 50MP sensors.
Canon produce cameras for markets, in order to make money.
Is this annoying to some? Sure, but don't mistake it for incompetence. Head over to bythom.com to read about how Nikon create great cameras, and then cannot make anywhere near enough lenses OR bodies to satisfy demand - now THAT my friend is incompetence...
"I've noted many times, supply is not meeting demand for many items, and that's a dangerous proposition as you always leak sales to competitors when that happens." - Tom Hogan...
poias:
--- Quote from: BillyBean on April 30, 2012, 04:14:58 PM ---I'm sorry, I don't buy this theory for a nanosecond.
I think the most likely reason that the 5D3 has the specification it has is that it is designed for wedding and event photographers. If you look at this market, the price, image quality and framerate is pretty well perfect, from what I understand.
Later in the year, likely a studio camera will come out with high MP, lower frame rate, perhaps worse autofocus.
For those with less cash (enthusiasts and amateurs), there is the 5D mk 2.
Nikon is a smaller company who don't have the resources of Canon, which is why they have to buy in sensors. Canon have already proven in the 7D sensor that they can make high density excellent sensors, and even allowing for lower yield of the larger die (dye?) it is still feasible to produce circa 50MP sensors.
Canon produce cameras for markets, in order to make money.
Is this annoying to some? Sure, but don't mistake it for incompetence. Head over to bythom.com to read about how Nikon create great cameras, and then cannot make anywhere near enough lenses OR bodies to satisfy demand - now THAT my friend is incompetence...
"I've noted many times, supply is not meeting demand for many items, and that's a dangerous proposition as you always leak sales to competitors when that happens." - Tom Hogan...
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So you don't believe that Canon is severely lagging behind (or incompetent, to use your terminology) in sensor technology? Even "excellent" 7D's IQ is horrible. Basically, Canon is lacking in sensor, be it incompetence or indifference.
But I agree that Nikon cannot keep up with the demand, so it could be due to a horrible supply chain (incompetence) and/or unexpected demand (circumstantial). We are living proof of that -- 3 D4 shipped, but 5 D800/D800e no clue at all.
V8Beast:
No one will know for sure where Canon stands in terms of sensor tech until the 1Dx goes on sale. It's possible that Canon may have gimped the 5DIII's sensor instead of it's other features (AF, sealing, burst rate, etc.). We'll see.
BillyBean:
--- Quote from: poias on April 30, 2012, 04:43:53 PM ---So you don't believe that Canon is severely lagging behind (or incompetent, to use your terminology) in sensor technology? Even "excellent" 7D's IQ is horrible. Basically, Canon is lacking in sensor, be it incompetence or indifference.
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No I don't. Sure, the megapixel is less than the D800 - but it's where it needs to be for the market in question.
--- Quote from: poias on April 30, 2012, 04:43:53 PM ---But I agree that Nikon cannot keep up with the demand, so it could be due to a horrible supply chain (incompetence) and/or unexpected demand (circumstantial). We are living proof of that -- 3 D4 shipped, but 5 D800/D800e no clue at all.
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The Nikon supply problems are not just following recent introductions - they date back years. I've never had any issue getting hold of Canon glass, except immediately after release. According to Tom Hogan, Nikon have a much deeper routed and long lasting problem.
The thing that really does annoy me about Canon is that their strategy - creating products tightly aligned to a specific market - means that they do the most annoying things to hobble a specific product and prevent it reaching it potential and competing with a product designed for a different market, so for example screwing up the 5D2 autofocus to prevent it competing with the 1D range, and so on. This I find intensely annoying. And now we have the whole pro video thing, which results in further compromises.
So I'm not saying I'm not annoyed - I'm as annoyed as you are. But you don't get to be as successful as Canon are in imaging and incompetent in sensor design - it just doesn't make sense.
Wait until the end of 2012. If they don't have a high MP sensor product out by then, maybe you will convince me... :)
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