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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2012, 04:45:02 AM »
For that 70% indoor family portraits, 85mm is the traditional portrait focal length, but for a group, 50mm might be better.
 
For the 15% landscape, the 17mm TS-E if you can do manual focus, or the 24mm L.  14mm is  very wide which makes it a specialty lens.
 
For telephoto, consider a zoom like the 70-200mmL (f/2.8 IS MK II)
 
Get the 24-105mm L kit lens with your camera.  It is ideal for outdoor use and may become your most used lens.

I have to agree about the 24-105 - there is a reason why it is so popular (apart from being sold as a kit lens with the 5DIII) - because it is so versatile.

I agree with Neuro as well - I prefer a combination of zooms and primes.

I would probably start with the 24-105mm, and then go for a 70-200mm zoom - if you go for the f/2.8 that is a great portrait lens.  After that, I would start with primes.  I would probably start with the 50mm f/1.4 and then look at an 85mm lens.
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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2012, 05:01:51 AM »
While the 24-105 is a very useful lens, it is more a jack of all trades. For that reason, you may want to consider a 24mm prime for landscapes, it depends how important the image quality is to you. I used to use the 24-105 for landscapes, but on full frame, the corners are quite soft, but it does depend on the scene, as to whether that is a problem. I went for the 24mm f/1.4 MkII in the end, as I was going to be photographing some northern lights, otherwise I'd probably have leaned towards the 24 TS/E. In your case the tilt and shift might make more sense with the architecture and it does give you more flexibility with landscapes. Neither the 14mm or the 17mm Tilt and shift allow you to use filters without modifications to holders, as the front element bulges, so that is something to bear in mind. Although I don't shoot many portraits, I have found the 24-105 to be ideal, especially in fast moving scenarios, where you might need to vary the focal length. That would also negate the need for a portrait prime to start with, then you can always add one later, if you want to try out selective focus. In fact you could always hold off on a wideangle prime if you have the 24-105, then you can judge whether the results are good enough for your needs. That leaves macro and sports. The 24-105 could cope with outdoor sports if not too far away, but it isn't one of its fortes, so the 70-200 f/2.8 MkII would make more sense, particularly as it is reputed to be as sharp as many primes and the two combinations would give you alot of versatility at lower cost. Macro-wise, the 180mm macro would allow you to stand back from insects, but it depends what you're shooting. If it is more static subjects, then a 100mm or even less focal length would be better, particularly in restricted spaces. The 135mm can also be used as a close-up lens, if you add all 68mm of a Kenko extension tube set, that gives you around half life size. If you want to save a bit of money, have a look around for the non-L 100mm macro, it is at least as good as the L version, in terms of IQ and focuses slightly faster from what I have read, so can make a useful portrait and short telephoto lens. I'm certainly very happy with it and used to use it for wildlife at feeding stations in low light before I got my 135.

I forgot to mention the 50 f/1.4, as cheap as it is, it is worth having in your bag for when you need it. It may lack a little contrast compared to other lenses, but it is definitely useful.
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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2012, 08:01:44 AM »
IMO (too as others said) a combination of two primes and one zoom might give you a high flexibility:

24mm/2.8 IS (after price has settled) - 24mm great for landscape and IS might help for your 20% of video
  -> if it will come available: sth. like 50mm/1.8 IS (just a guess of mine) for standard situations
  -> if compact lens is 100mm/2.0 - a great lens, very compact, very clean and realistic image files
100mm/2.8 non-IS macro - for macro shooting/high versatility, low price
70-200/2.8 IS II (perhaps with TC) gives you reach and helps a lot for video / low light via IS funcionality and good close focus

This might be a 3000 $/EUR lens set wich gives you large flexibility and is - by IS - helpful for video (24 + 70-200) and an optional 2x TC gives you longer reach. And Canons tele zooms are in many aspects prime quality (except sometimes contrast in contralight situations but that is the difference between sth. like 15 vs. 5 lens groups ... mere physics).

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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2012, 09:12:30 AM »
Back in the dark ages of the 70's and 80's, I used: 20 f/2.8, 35 f/2, 85f/1.8, 200 f/4 (replaced with a 200 f/2.8 ) and 50 macro.

Now, my standard kit is: 17-35 f/2.8, 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200 f/2.8, 100-400 and 100 macro. There is no way I would go back to an all-prime kit and the only time that I use my primes is when f/2.8 just isn't fast enough. The 300 f/2.8 is the exception to that rule and I'll use that with 1.4x and 2x TCs until Canon gets the 200-400 out the door.
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2012, 10:02:32 AM »
I am closer to your second set:

24 f/1.4II
85 f/1.2II  135 f2 Faster focus, Sharper, No CA
180 Macro very sharp and useful.
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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2012, 11:05:15 AM »
16-35 F/2.8 II
24-70 F/2.8 II
70-200 F/2.8 II

I know you asked for primes, but given that you state you are lazy, this is a better approach and will give you maximum range without getting off the couch ;)

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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2012, 11:56:55 AM »
24 f1.4 L II, 50 L and 85 L.
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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2012, 12:35:43 PM »
I would go

24mm f/1.4 II
50mm f/1.2
70-200 f/2.8 IS II - 4 stops of IS help a lot in the dark.
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2012, 01:13:03 PM »
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16-35 F/2.8 II
24-70 F/2.8 II
70-200 F/2.8 II

I know you asked for primes, but given that you state you are lazy, this is a better approach and will give you maximum range without getting off the couch ;)

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I agree with this combo for two important reasons:

1. Primes are nice, but zoom capability is even better IMO - changing lenses because your prime is too long or short is a pain, and it also means that occasionally you MISS a shot...and maybe even drop something while switching.  2.8 on these zooms with the 5d3 and it's high ISO capability will work very well

2. IQ with the above named zoom lenses is so close to the "L" primes that it's noticeable only to expert pixel peepers

If you really want a prime, drop the 16-35 from this recommendation and add the 50 or 85.  But I would bet that the 24-70 and 70-200 will cover 95% of what you need....and the 24-70 will stay on your camera 90% of the time based on the type of shooting you're describing.



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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2012, 01:29:30 PM »
since you are self described as lazy, I'd say zooms will be more friendly than primes.  Since you also aren't afraid to spend money either then the 2.8 zoom trinity would do you fine.  You could also get a 50L for those really low light situations. 

Honestly, my best advice, buy the kit 24-105, use it for a bit then decide what else you need.  You might find that after 10 years your brother has nothing of yours to sell on ebay...

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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2012, 02:10:37 PM »
Tse 24 II
85 F1/2 II
135 2.0

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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2012, 02:44:20 PM »
since you are self described as lazy,
What I meant, is that I am lazy with selling stuff that I do not need
I would happily climb, crouch and walk to get a better shot
Sorry that I did not make it clearer earlier

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Re: Which 3 Primes to go for. Your advice will be appreciated
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2012, 04:51:10 PM »
I asked this very question a year ago.  I ended up with 2 zooms and a prime after asking what 3 primes to buy.

16-35 II
85 1.2L II
70-200 2.8 IS II

In hindsight I believe we made the right choices with the zooms.  I would have gone with the 100 L macro because of macro and IS if I could do it again, but having said that, the 85 1.2L II is the closest thing to perfection I've used.

I would consider a 580EX II too, ETTL has gotten to a point where you can salvage some horrid lighting.
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2012, 08:50:58 PM »
Lots of opinions a good advice here.
Your desire for prime lenses has merit. But having not shot recently, and jumping in with a 5DIII, consider purchasing with the kit lens and get started familrizing yourself with your new camera. Regardless whatever lens you buy next the 24-105 can be kept or sold depending.
If it is only primes you want to use eventually, I currently use the 50 f1.2 and the 135 f2 (the 135 is on my camera the most). The 24 f1.4 II also deserves your consideration.
Lots of good information on all of these here: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2012, 09:06:27 PM »
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