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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2012, 03:32:39 PM »
5D III isn't like 50D was back in the day.  50D when it came out wasn't ridiculously overpriced for what it was.

I mean, I love my 5D3 and this is by far the best camera I've ever owned but I think considering what D800 is, and how much less it costs, 5d III price is too high. 

I believe Canon is playing a game here, widening up the price gap for more upcoming cameras.  For example like making their entry FF be around 2 grand.  And then releasing a 3D series or maybe another 1D with high MP closer to 4500 or 5 grand. 

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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2012, 03:32:39 PM »

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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2012, 03:50:16 PM »
it's depens waht use you are going to do with camera...for a sp camera 5d mk3 is better tha d800; btw both cameras arent aimed at mass market
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2012, 04:16:23 PM »
But the D600 is potentially a game changer - a FF camera for not much more than the high-end APS-C which an entry-level APS-C consumer might consider as an upgrade.
Yep, if the spec list for the D600 is even close to accurate (24mp, 39pt AF, 6fps...make 2 of those 3 correct and its crazy), and its priced at or below $2000, Canon will have to respond or lose a huge chunk of users. Because while I'd love full-frame, the 5dII lacks some of the things Id want for the occasional action/nature shooting I do. But, that's where my next body upgrade will be; into a full-frame with better AF, or into the 7dII with great specs...and the same is true for many other xxxD and xxD users. If the only option I have is to go up to a 5dIII, then I'd have to look elsewhere at some point

The D800 v 5dIII argument won't even cost Canon .1% of their market share, since its a relatively small base anyway. Being wrong about consumer (T4i, etc) and prosumer (60D/5dII) level cameras is where they lose percentages.

Yip, I agree.  I know it is not statistically accurate to base a market need on my need alone, but as a Crop user, I want in on the FF goodness, but as a hobbyist I cannot shell out $3,500.  If I only had EF-S lenses (which most corp users have) I would have jumped on the D600 if the current rumours are true.  As moving from crop to FF (especially with Canon with no crop mode) is a bit like swithcing systems.  I believe many people are in this boat.  And no, the 5DII is not Canon's entry level contender for the average tech hungry hobbyist.
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2012, 04:29:21 PM »
What differentiates the 5DIII from the 50D is the target market. 

I went from a 50D to the 5D3.  Did the market change or the target?  :S
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2012, 04:30:50 PM »
What differentiates the 5DIII from the 50D is the target market. 

I went from a 50D to the 5D3.  Did the market change or the target?  :S

Well I'm guessing by the glass you have that you changed as a photographer.  You obviously wanted to step it up and go where a 50D can't go.  I'm not putting words in your mouth, that's just the way I'd read that :)
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2012, 04:40:57 PM »
Well when I switched to Canon I bought a 50D, then bought a 7D, then bought a 5D3 and sold the 50D. I shot a TON of sports and the 50D could just not handle it at all I feel like there was a BIG improvement with the 50D vs the 7D, but it was what I used it for... So in the end it comes down to what you shoot and what you need. I shoot a wide variety of stuff and need a great AF system and the 7D is the best for the price and the 5D3 is the best behind the 1Dx.....
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2012, 04:43:09 PM »
I think the 5D3 is a cut-down 1Dx but retains too much of the price tag. It really should have been 2799$ at release.

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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2012, 05:13:26 PM »
the 5dmk3 costs a lot as the nikon D800...do you think $3000 (€2900) are a gift compared to $3500 (€3200).

both cameras are really expensive and both manufactors listened to their customers
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2012, 05:20:19 PM »
the 5dmk3 costs a lot as the nikon D800...do you think $3000 (€2900) are a gift compared to $3500 (€3200).

both cameras are really expensive and both manufactors listened to their customers

500$ could buy me more RAM to run lightroom 4, A copy of Lightroom 4 to go with my 5D3, and Windows 7 Pro to run my new workflow. 500$ is a big deal because new camera can change workflows and workflows cost more $$$.
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2012, 05:38:31 PM »
I think the danger for Canon is that this (strongly) rumoured D600 could end up looking quite close in key specifications to the 5D MkIII, for substantially less money.  This would move Canon's full frame line-up into the same position as their APS-C line-up, where lots of people are unclear as to which models in each manufacturers' range are meant to be equivalent (even without Sony's rumoured new FF SLTs muddying the waters).  I've seen the D7000 compared to the 7D plenty of times and the D90 used to be regularly compared to the 50D. 

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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2012, 05:45:27 PM »
the 5dmk3 costs a lot as the nikon D800...do you think $3000 (€2900) are a gift compared to $3500 (€3200).

both cameras are really expensive and both manufactors listened to their customers

500$ could buy be more RAM to run lightroom 4,A copy of Lightroom 4 to go with my 5D3, and Windows 7 Pro to run my new workflow. 500$ is a big deal because new camera can change workflows and workflows cost more $$$.

i am not saying there isnt a gap in price, i am saying they are both expensive…here in italy the gap is narrower, but i think those hardware are for pro photographers and maybe for some amateurs not mass market for sure
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2012, 05:54:31 PM »
the 5dmk3 costs a lot as the nikon D800...do you think $3000 (€2900) are a gift compared to $3500 (€3200).

both cameras are really expensive and both manufactors listened to their customers

500$ could buy be more RAM to run lightroom 4,A copy of Lightroom 4 to go with my 5D3, and Windows 7 Pro to run my new workflow. 500$ is a big deal because new camera can change workflows and workflows cost more $$$.

i am not saying there isnt a gap in price, i am saying they are both expensive…here in italy the gap is narrower, but i think those hardware are for pro photographers and maybe for some amateurs not mass market for sure
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2012, 06:25:53 PM »
Bottom line is that each of us is on an individual journey. You buy some, and you pass on others. Like deciding when to upgrade your laptop or your software. Second bottom line: I love the 5Dmkiii... Third bottom line (triple bottom line is after all the current vogue for corporate reporting): It will be a long time before I change.

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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2012, 06:52:02 PM »
What differentiates the 5DIII from the 50D is the target market. 

But the D600 is potentially a game changer - a FF camera for not much more than the high-end APS-C which an entry-level APS-C consumer might consider as an upgrade.

And then there is Sony's entry into this market, with the rumored A99 and its translucent mirror.

If the translucent mirror gives the A99 a frame rate approaching 10fps with 24mp at the rumored price of around $2500 - $2800, then the 5D Mark III becomes even harder to justify at $3499.

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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2012, 07:12:17 PM »
I want to buy a 50D anyone got one they are selling? :D
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Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2012, 07:12:17 PM »