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Re: Cars cars cars (and some bikes)
« Reply #540 on: May 03, 2018, 04:54:16 AM »
Hi Tom.
Very nice series of shots, I can well imagine the drive on some of the surrounding roads especially if you manage to dodge all the dawdlers (oh look a sheep, oh look another sheep, ooohh a lamb!)! ;D ;D
Was the Porsche posed on private areas of the site or was the shoot after the public had left?

Cheers, Graham.

I haven't posted for a while but here is a few of one of my favourite 911s of all time 996 C4S Vert. Supplied by one of the most renowned Porsche Specialists in the UK David Forrest of Strasse Leeds.

Shocker... All shot with a 6DMKII 70-200MKII and 24-70MKI. Still think the 6DMKII is excellent especially for this sort of work. Getting low not having to ruin your knees or get all muddy laying on the ground.

Shot at Lowther Castle, Cumbria. Gorgeous Location, got there just in time after a rather nice drive :D

Few more in the album if your interested.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskxoVW4r

Thank you Graham.

It is fantastic, the top down experience although not the technically the purist view of a 911. With it having 4wd and the Cab its the the heaviest in the range so not as nimble as a classic Carrera or S.

That being said the sports exhaust on and the small country lanes the noise bounces around and with the roof down and a warm spring evening it was a lot of fun. 996 4s are my favorite not necessarily the cab but the rear end I think is probably one of the best looking Porsche ever made. Couldn't help but falling in love with it tho, especially in the colour, pretty rare to see a 996 in anything but silver or black. The cab is definitely a compromise worth having.

This time of year its still pretty quiet tbh so not a lot of traffic its usually summer holidays where its a bit of a pain with tourists. Its currently lambing season so the area around is all open from them to graze. There is a rural road through the middle with the old tracks which was the entrance to the castle 50 years ago before it burned down. The entrances are usually closed with wooden posts put in the ground but they had all been pulled out so the farmers could get though to aid lambing.

It was late on, around 8pm and I was looking for locations to shoot the car. There was a farmer there and just asked and he said no problem so took the opportunity. The light was right so got the whole shoot done there and then.
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« Reply #540 on: May 03, 2018, 04:54:16 AM »

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« Reply #541 on: May 03, 2018, 06:32:05 AM »
I haven't posted for a while but here is a few of one of my favourite 911s of all time 996 C4S Vert. Supplied by one of the most renowned Porsche Specialists in the UK David Forrest of Strasse Leeds.

Shocker... All shot with a 6DMKII 70-200MKII and 24-70MKI. Still think the 6DMKII is excellent especially for this sort of work. Getting low not having to ruin your knees or get all muddy laying on the ground.

Shot at Lowther Castle, Cumbria. Gorgeous Location, got there just in time after a rather nice drive :D

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Few more in the album if your interested.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskxoVW4r

Hi Tom,

V. nice set of a modern classic... :)
I can imagine you had an enjoyable experience on the not too crowded roads and doing the shoot in that envitonment (and weather)! I know I did enjoy even being a passenger in a (well known to you) Z4M with the top down a couple of years ago, driving these English country roads :)  8)

From your signature... did you splash out for a 5D4 - seeing you're still very satisfied with the 6D2; what made you decide to get the 5D4 anyhow? ...Just curious ... ;)

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Re: Cars cars cars (and some bikes)
« Reply #542 on: May 03, 2018, 07:50:44 AM »
I haven't posted for a while but here is a few of one of my favourite 911s of all time 996 C4S Vert. Supplied by one of the most renowned Porsche Specialists in the UK David Forrest of Strasse Leeds.

Shocker... All shot with a 6DMKII 70-200MKII and 24-70MKI. Still think the 6DMKII is excellent especially for this sort of work. Getting low not having to ruin your knees or get all muddy laying on the ground.

Shot at Lowther Castle, Cumbria. Gorgeous Location, got there just in time after a rather nice drive :D

Hi Tom

Beautiful pictures.

I especially like the first one.

Well done.

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« Reply #543 on: May 03, 2018, 07:57:24 AM »
I haven't posted for a while but here is a few of one of my favourite 911s of all time 996 C4S Vert. Supplied by one of the most renowned Porsche Specialists in the UK David Forrest of Strasse Leeds.

Shocker... All shot with a 6DMKII 70-200MKII and 24-70MKI. Still think the 6DMKII is excellent especially for this sort of work. Getting low not having to ruin your knees or get all muddy laying on the ground.

Shot at Lowther Castle, Cumbria. Gorgeous Location, got there just in time after a rather nice drive :D

...

Few more in the album if your interested.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskxoVW4r

Hi Tom,

V. nice set of a modern classic... :)
I can imagine you had an enjoyable experience on the not too crowded roads and doing the shoot in that envitonment (and weather)! I know I did enjoy even being a passenger in a (well known to you) Z4M with the top down a couple of years ago, driving these English country roads :)  8)

From your signature... did you splash out for a 5D4 - seeing you're still very satisfied with the 6D2; what made you decide to get the 5D4 anyhow? ...Just curious ... ;)

Wiebe.

Thanks Wiebe.

I did miss out with having the coupe version, they just look so good... they are also super rare. The roadies are spectacular too, the metallic rasp from the S54 on the Z4Ms is one of my favs... but the 911s are far louder and love that note too.

In terms of the cameras, I shoot a lot of different subjects so use different cameras.

Lots of commercial stuff like the above which dont necessarily need the safety of twin cards or the build of the 5 series. The 6DMKII is basically my commercial camera, the screen has been the best addition to a FF camera and aided in my workflow more than I could have imagined. I have one on the 70D but really dont like the sensor so it never really got used, just a backup.

I do a lot of commercial pub photography and generally lighting is extremely low and the interiors are cramped. The camera is on a tripod and usually im pressed up against a wall having the screen is a god send. I also have to bracket anyway because of the extremes in light and no camera can expose to the extremes you need for this sort of photography so the DR is a non issue. Although ive not had a problem with DR really, the odd occasion I get a tiny bit of colour noise but putting the slider up to 35 solves it completely. Non issue for me.

I also do a lot of studio work for a PPE company, photography gloves, helmets, respiratory products and safety glasses and having the tilt screen is ideal so I can stand above like an old medium format camera.

It has pretty much become my go to for everything... travel, commercial, landscape, studio, personal etc because its just a great camera and I love using it. I also really like the files that come out of it. It feels like a 5DMKIII without the IQ issues, I loved that camera but loathed the purple cast when you pull shadows and the banding.

Pretty much solved on the 6DMKII as you can see from some of the Porsche images, I was shooting directly into the sun and those are single exposures, the camera handled it without issue. Which is the take away, its been unfairly judged when it is very capable.

Its also stupidly cheap for what it offers, its 90% a 5DIV and I paid £1470 when it was launched you can buy them new for £1200 now. Shocking how good the value proposition is vs £2500 £2200 if your lucky.

I also shoot motorsport so use the 7DMKII as its ideal for speed and with a 70-200mm becomes a 320 F4 IS lens which is perfect with 10FPS track side. Here its important to have dual cards as in the UK the weather is so changeable and I have drowned cameras before so need to ensure there is a back up card incase of failure.

This is where the 5DMKIV comes in because I use the FF camera as a secondary with a standard focal length to document. It needs to have the weather sealing and the twin slots again because of the elements.

The main reason for the 5DMKIV is I shoot weddings and portraits. This is my primary wedding camera, I wouldnt want to shoot a wedding without twin cards really... Should the worst happen there is no way of going back, worst nightmare loosing a wedding. The 6DMKII is capable but for this kind of work its not the most suitable.

The sensor in the 5DMKIV is also slightly better, weddings are tough any advantage is worth having. So many times I find myself in dark conditions and super changeable light so the 5DMKIV is ideal as the IQ is better. Pulling highlights and shadows is a breeze.

I do use the 6DMKII also, but it wont be my main camera. I also find the 6DMKIIs AF range a little close together for portraits... I find that im not using the full frame when using the camera in portrait orientation. There isnt a point anywhere near the eye, I often get home and there is about 1/4 of the image above the head thats unused because im using the top AF point and have to crop down which isnt ideal.

TBH the 5DMKIV only gets used for the above, the 6DMKII is my go to for most things. Just like it.

I think its a great all rounder and dare I say better in many respects over the 5D apart from weather sealing, AF, card slots and IQ. These are subjective, it really depends what your doing. Its easy to get carried away on forums as you get pros and amateurs talking about extreme conditions as the norm and the small feature as make or break. Many times people feel its not worth buying because of this but really those situations are 1-10% for most amateurs but the camera is 50% more expensive.

For commercial photography the subjects generally dont move so AF is a non issue, the weather is good because its planned that way, so weather sealing isnt an issue and IQ... again depends if you need it, knowing when to shoot and how to deal with situations is the difference. 1 or 2 stops of DR doesn't magically make these situations easy.

The main positives is that its lighter, FF is FF so can use all my nice lenses natively, GPS - great location scouting I can figure out exaclty where I was. WIFI - great if your on the road just send images to the macbook and the rotating screen ive spoke about. Just a great all round tool for most situations.

At the end of the day for me different cameras are used for different purposes and they all have reasons to be in the kit. Its also nice to have backups incase something should go wrong.

If you need a one camera solution then its a tough call because the 5DMKIV is a safer camera and it is the best all rounder. On the other hand its too much camera for many jobs and the flip screen makes my job easier in many respects.

Im lucky ive never had a card fail in the 15 years ive been working as a pro... I switch them out regularly and dont put them in any adverse conditions. I think the issue is overblown, unless your shooting weddings and events where its just sensible.

The other thing is for years I shot film, youve only got one role no duplicates. Until the 5DMKII there were no twin cards apart from 1Ds and they were always too big. I used the 40D, 5DMKI for a long time again single slots. 5DMKII was the first camera I had with twin slots, its only 9 1/2 years since it was released, what did people do before? Its only really been a recent thing but its nice to have safety when shooting important things.

Like I said you pick the tool for the job. I suppose you make a call on what you need.

Hope that helps :)
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« Reply #544 on: May 04, 2018, 06:47:18 AM »
Wow, Tom, that's quite some explanation ;)
Thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts in so much depth!
The one thing I noticed from your story - you must have smaller hands than I do - I decided to go for the 7DmkII over the 80D because my hands did not agree with the ergonomics of the 80D...
Where I can easily work with the back wheel on the bigger 7DmkII (which is almost equal to 5DmkIII/IV), I just couldn't operate the smaller wheel on the 80D (which is almost equal to 6DmkII). My right thumb reaches too far past it and I can't bend it back sufficiently ;)
I would have liked the flippy screen though - despite the risk of being less robust...

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« Reply #545 on: May 04, 2018, 07:23:29 AM »
Wow, Tom, that's quite some explanation ;)
Thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts in so much depth!
The one thing I noticed from your story - you must have smaller hands than I do - I decided to go for the 7DmkII over the 80D because my hands did not agree with the ergonomics of the 80D...
Where I can easily work with the back wheel on the bigger 7DmkII (which is almost equal to 5DmkIII/IV), I just couldn't operate the smaller wheel on the 80D (which is almost equal to 6DmkII). My right thumb reaches too far past it and I can't bend it back sufficiently ;)
I would have liked the flippy screen though - despite the risk of being less robust...

Wiebe.

No problem.

I agree there is a bit of a change with ergonomics but I think you can get around this with the way you use the camera. I take a size 9 large in a glove usually which is about bang average.

In reality The ergonomics are not so dissimilar the body sizes are almost identical. The rear wheels arent too different and are almost in the same place, its only about 10-15% bigger on the 7/5Ds.



I tend to leave my thumb near the image review button and use the fleshy bit just above my thumb knuckle to turn the wheel in an anti clockwise fashion. That gives a 1/4 of a turn which gives 8 clicks. Its obvious why canon has done this on the 6/80D body styles because from the centre point there are four points to the right and left of the centre point so you can get from one side of the AF range to the other with one quarter turn.

I do agree the 5D/7D body styles are much easier to use but its not really like the difference between a XXXD and XXD.

Since the 6DMKII doesn't have a joystick. I now use the twin wheels to change the AF points. I always used the joystick on the 5D's but one push moves you one point along, with the click wheel in the same time you can move 4 which is again centre to extreme right or left points. So the top controls horizontal and the rear wheel controls vertical.

The actual click multi directional dial in the center is completely useless and Ive never seen a review that actually describes the above AF point selection method. I now use this on all my bodies and dont use the AF control stick as I find its slower.

I think in use everyday 365 with these cameras they are very suited working together and if like me you use them that much it becomes second nature.

Thats one thing I do like about the 6DMKII, with the 5D series after a day shooting a wedding 12-14 hours and 3-4000 images my wrist and forearm are always really sore. The slightly smaller body and weight really make a big difference depending on which lens you have attached.
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« Reply #546 on: May 05, 2018, 04:35:37 PM »
Hi Tom.
Well it sounds like you had a blast driving the Porsche, and good fortune with the local farmer permitting you to access such a beautiful location.
I thought something with a name like Lowther Castle would be a cherished tourist attraction (national treasure), your photos give the impression of a very intact, very impressive building, not a burned out shell. Such a shame.

Cheers, Graham.

Thank you Graham.

It is fantastic, the top down experience although not the technically the purist view of a 911. With it having 4wd and the Cab its the the heaviest in the range so not as nimble as a classic Carrera or S.

That being said the sports exhaust on and the small country lanes the noise bounces around and with the roof down and a warm spring evening it was a lot of fun. 996 4s are my favorite not necessarily the cab but the rear end I think is probably one of the best looking Porsche ever made. Couldn't help but falling in love with it tho, especially in the colour, pretty rare to see a 996 in anything but silver or black. The cab is definitely a compromise worth having.

This time of year its still pretty quiet tbh so not a lot of traffic its usually summer holidays where its a bit of a pain with tourists. Its currently lambing season so the area around is all open from them to graze. There is a rural road through the middle with the old tracks which was the entrance to the castle 50 years ago before it burned down. The entrances are usually closed with wooden posts put in the ground but they had all been pulled out so the farmers could get though to aid lambing.

It was late on, around 8pm and I was looking for locations to shoot the car. There was a farmer there and just asked and he said no problem so took the opportunity. The light was right so got the whole shoot done there and then.
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« Reply #546 on: May 05, 2018, 04:35:37 PM »

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« Reply #547 on: May 09, 2018, 07:20:56 AM »
Nice shots Graham and Tom!  Love the location for the Porsche shoot :)

Some from a weekend car and bike show.
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« Reply #548 on: May 09, 2018, 08:05:46 AM »
Nice shots, Roo.

Beautiful bike on the first one.  8)

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« Reply #549 on: May 09, 2018, 07:42:57 PM »
Hi Roo.
Thank you.
Very nice series from you too, nice bike, stunning colour!
I like the angle for the last shot, not a common view of a Camero, nice looking car too.

Cheers, Graham.

Nice shots Graham and Tom!  Love the location for the Porsche shoot :)

Some from a weekend car and bike show.
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« Reply #550 on: May 10, 2018, 05:17:51 AM »
Here's a few of my MX5 SP, which I've owned from new.
This was an Australia only model with a high performance turbo engine, which I've hotted up a bit and it puts out nearly 300 hp at the rear wheels.


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« Reply #551 on: May 10, 2018, 05:30:46 AM »
A few more Australia only cars taken at the Gosford Car Museum (about 70k's north of Sydney.
The green car is a Holden Monaro from around 1969.
The silver car is a Valiant Charger (smaller than a Dodge Charger and based on the Australian Valiant which by then, 1973 or so, was completely different to the US Valiant). You can see this model was produced with a hemi-head 265cu in straight six with triple Webbers.
The yellow car is a Torana SLR5000. A small car (about the size of a modern Corolla) with a 5 litre (308 cu in) V8. I had one of these back in 1974.
Hope you like them.

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« Reply #552 on: May 10, 2018, 06:22:12 AM »
Hi Tom.
Well it sounds like you had a blast driving the Porsche, and good fortune with the local farmer permitting you to access such a beautiful location.
I thought something with a name like Lowther Castle would be a cherished tourist attraction (national treasure), your photos give the impression of a very intact, very impressive building, not a burned out shell. Such a shame.

Cheers, Graham.

Its got a bit of a black history, the fire was apparently arson and the owner did this because of costs to upkeep the place. Its all speculation but National Trust wanted nothing to do with it.

It got a lottery grant and is now its own trust with public access. The grounds have all been re created, the interesting bits are inside the castle grounds and what was the front where I shot the images is all grazing.

Would be great to use the actual grounds as a shoot location. Too much work and hoops to jump through. I actually think the front is a nicer backdrop. Would have been a spectacular place in its heyday.

There are a few images here just before and as they began renovations. Havent been in for quite a few years, probably should go back to see how they have got on.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskxN3Vbn

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« Reply #553 on: May 10, 2018, 07:32:07 PM »
Hi Benny.
An interesting series of shots, particularly the older cars, thanks for taking the effort to describe them and how they differ.
I bet the MX5 is a fun ride, we have a European spec MK3.5 with sport pack and that is a blast! 

Cheers, Graham.

A few more Australia only cars taken at the Gosford Car Museum (about 70k's north of Sydney.
The green car is a Holden Monaro from around 1969.
The silver car is a Valiant Charger (smaller than a Dodge Charger and based on the Australian Valiant which by then, 1973 or so, was completely different to the US Valiant). You can see this model was produced with a hemi-head 265cu in straight six with triple Webbers.
The yellow car is a Torana SLR5000. A small car (about the size of a modern Corolla) with a 5 litre (308 cu in) V8. I had one of these back in 1974.
Hope you like them.
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« Reply #554 on: May 10, 2018, 07:45:58 PM »
Hi Tom.
Thanks for explaining the background of the location, like a lot of these stately piles a somewhat chequered past.

Cheers, Graham.

Hi Tom.
Well it sounds like you had a blast driving the Porsche, and good fortune with the local farmer permitting you to access such a beautiful location.
I thought something with a name like Lowther Castle would be a cherished tourist attraction (national treasure), your photos give the impression of a very intact, very impressive building, not a burned out shell. Such a shame.

Cheers, Graham.

Its got a bit of a black history, the fire was apparently arson and the owner did this because of costs to upkeep the place. Its all speculation but National Trust wanted nothing to do with it.

It got a lottery grant and is now its own trust with public access. The grounds have all been re created, the interesting bits are inside the castle grounds and what was the front where I shot the images is all grazing.

Would be great to use the actual grounds as a shoot location. Too much work and hoops to jump through. I actually think the front is a nicer backdrop. Would have been a spectacular place in its heyday.

There are a few images here just before and as they began renovations. Havent been in for quite a few years, probably should go back to see how they have got on.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskxN3Vbn

Lowther Castle by Tom Scott, on Flickr
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« Reply #554 on: May 10, 2018, 07:45:58 PM »