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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #210 on: July 21, 2012, 09:19:58 AM »
I forgot to mention. What if this camera is jpg only?!

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #210 on: July 21, 2012, 09:19:58 AM »

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #211 on: July 21, 2012, 09:32:03 AM »
I forgot to mention. What if this camera is jpg only?!

Then you'll have to wait until you can use CHDK with it  ???
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #212 on: July 21, 2012, 09:40:04 AM »
I overlayed a 7D and lined up the mounting ring as best I could (first pic), then traced around the sensor on the 7d and overlayed that on the EOS-M (second pic).

Pretty sure that's aps-c we're looking at.

What also intrigues me is that it looks like the diameter of the lens mount is large enough to accomodate a full frame sensor.  It looks like Canon may be playing the long game here, with a view to a strategic investment in a system which can be extended, rather than looking for a quick win.

Of course it's large enough, it's an EF series mount.  But you're right, Canon (as usual) are playing the big picture long game here.  They would never put everything on the plate straight away, got to leave enough features out to enable yearly upgrades.

You need it to be EF sized, to use the adaptor for all of our EF lenses... which it most certainly will have...

Now.. mirrorless FF?  I think it's unlikely.  You'd have to create another mount.. same flange distance as the EF-M, lenses with larger full frame image circles..  it probably wouldn't be able to use EF-M lenses, unless they do a crop mode like Nikon...   


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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #213 on: July 21, 2012, 09:57:36 AM »
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You need it to be EF sized, to use the adaptor for all of our EF lenses... which it most certainly will have...

Now.. mirrorless FF?  I think it's unlikely.  You'd have to create another mount.. same flange distance as the EF-M, lenses with larger full frame image circles..  it probably wouldn't be able to use EF-M lenses, unless they do a crop mode like Nikon...

It is not an EF sized mount.  You will need an adapter for two reasons. Increase the flange to sensor distance and also  to physically mount the larger EF or EF-S mount to the smaller EF-M mount.

This is also true when mounting Sony Alpha mount lenses to their Sony E mount NEX cameras.

By my rough calculations the EF-M lens mount would be about 15% smaller than an EF or EF-S mount.





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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #214 on: July 21, 2012, 10:43:31 AM »
Are those extra contacts on the hot shoe and if so, has anyone else noticed them?

Could that mean that the hot shoe is for something else in addition to a flash?

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #215 on: July 21, 2012, 11:06:40 AM »
Are those extra contacts on the hot shoe and if so, has anyone else noticed them?

Could that mean that the hot shoe is for something else in addition to a flash?

It looks like two Phillips head screws to me.



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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #216 on: July 21, 2012, 11:14:38 AM »
Are those extra contacts on the hot shoe and if so, has anyone else noticed them?

Could that mean that the hot shoe is for something else in addition to a flash?

EVF perhaps? There is also one extra contact in the lens mount, for power zoom perhaps?

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #217 on: July 21, 2012, 11:25:40 AM »
Are those extra contacts on the hot shoe and if so, has anyone else noticed them?

Could that mean that the hot shoe is for something else in addition to a flash?

yes i have posted about them before.
thought it could be for an EVF.. but could be screws also.

thought i have no camera that has screws on the hotshoe.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #218 on: July 21, 2012, 11:42:33 AM »
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thought i have no camera that has screws on the hotshoe.

I think they are always hidden under a plate.


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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #219 on: July 21, 2012, 11:59:47 AM »
Who is this camera geared towards? Point and shooters that want to feel like they have a small dsrl?

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #220 on: July 21, 2012, 12:31:43 PM »
Who is this camera geared towards? Point and shooters that want to feel like they have a small dsrl?

Most P&S owners up-grade to smart phones. Also some professional sports shooters are up-grading to smart phones http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/06/instagram-portraits-of-the-yankees-shot-inside-a-bathroom-turned-studio/ :) :)

Sony has sold a lot of NEX 5n cameras, many of them to Canon DSLR owners. The Canon EOS M is about the same size and has many of the same features (or the same lack of features), so maybe it is aimed at Canon owners who also have Sony NEX 5n cameras ;)

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #221 on: July 21, 2012, 12:43:41 PM »
I forgot to mention. What if this camera is jpg only?!


Then I'll entertain the shorty fourty and my 5D3, or wait for a RAW version EOS-M, or both, probably both.
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #222 on: July 21, 2012, 12:45:29 PM »
joke?

No it's not a joke. You are actually looking at the beginnings of the future of DSLR's.

Why do I say that? Simple. The only reason for the mirror is to bounce the image into the viewfinder so that the photographer can see exactly what they are taking a photo of. (Focus, DOF, etc...)

Now enter the world of mirrorless cameras. The back LCD acts as the viewfinder and for now they are large and cumbersome. Given advances in technology and the speed at which it is advancing, soon we will see LCD screens small enough AND high enough of resolution and brightness to act in place of our current DSLR viewfinders. Or it may be some sort of digital-optical viewfinder... who knows? But this is the start of it.

There will be added benefits too, higher FPS (no mirror to "slow" the camera down), camera bodies that do not have a shutter mechanism to wear out and reduced costs.

The DSLR won't be around forever, it will eventually be replaced by some other new technology and I believe that the mirrorless camera is the direction this is all heading.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #223 on: July 21, 2012, 12:56:32 PM »
I already have an X Pro 1, as a backup...  But would love something that made my L lenses useful on a smaller body, and just something small and powerful for those times you don't want to lug around the 5D mk2.

Since its all electrical.. I'm wondering why they wouldn't (At least for the next 'Pro' model) make an EOS adapter that has an aperture ring on it. So that they could reduce the controls on the camera and still be usable. Since it looks like that is what they are trying to do.  They could even go all out and (I doubt this from Canon) have an EOS-EF adapter that has both the aperture AND the shutterspeed on the adapter.  Hasselblad has been doing this on their V system for around 50 years. (Both on the lens.) Its a beautiful system, and while its not as fast as the shutter/aperture wheels on canons full sized DSLR...  I think it could work well on a very small body.  Much better than no controls or touchscreen controls.


I feel the general idea is a good one.  Noone like to carry around a 5D Mk2 with 24-70 for 15 hours a day.  This plus a 16-35 is a pretty good set.  Another would be the 22mm EF-M, and the 40mm EF with adapter on it.  I guess we will see how the EF-M glass is.

I'm not sure about this version... If I buy a Canon Mirrorless it better be damn good because it will replace my Fuji X Pro 1.  I've heard many of mixed thoughts about the Fuji, but I love it.  I've shot some landscapes to live shows in very low light with it.  All the places I would prefer to not bring the 5D mk2.


Also, EVFs and LCDs will never replace optical.  For me its so unbelievably different viewing through an EVF compared to an Optical one.  I bought my Fuji X100 and X Pro 1 for this reason.  Compared to the other offerings, these gave me more of everything I wanted in a small package.  Its the same reason shooting with a Hasselblad V series (501 CM) is so 'magical'.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
« Reply #224 on: July 21, 2012, 01:45:01 PM »

The DSLR won't be around forever, it will eventually be replaced by some other new technology and I believe that the mirrorless camera is the direction this is all heading.

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Very true. Technology is rapidly changing. First the OVF will be replaced by EVF. Then Full Frame will be replaced by APS-C. APS-C won't stick around too long before it is replaced by ... Time marches on, it's been a long time since PJs shot news and sports with 4x5 cameras.

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Re: first pic of canon mirrorless?
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