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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2012, 12:32:30 PM »
I agree with everything you said except, The 5D Mark II actually DID steal ground from the 1Ds Mark III.  That is a well-known fact.  I even bought the 5D Mark II instead back then, because it was cheaper and had the same resolution.  Most of the pros I knew from 2008-current never owned a 1Ds3 simply because of the 5D Mark II.

A lot of 1DS3 were sold - but to a relatively small market niche

However the 5D2 filled another market and sold like hot cakes. Some pros bought it purely from a ROI point of view rather than for IQ.

Whilst the 5D2 had the same mps it lost out significantly on fps, colour rendition and AF.

There are a lot of 1DS3 on the used market now - showing that it did sell

I agree it sold.  It was too specific though, whereas the 5D2 was well rounded.  The problem with the 1Ds3 was it was much harder to shoot weddings thoroughly vs. the 5D2.  Almost every wedding photographer I knew 2008-current got the 5D2 and passed on the 1Ds3.  However, I feel that the 1Ds3 is the ultimate landscape camera.  Ultimate.
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« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2012, 12:32:30 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2012, 12:42:17 PM »
Given Canon's 18mpx APS-C sensor technology, they can produce a 46mpx FF sensor without having to do too much. At the noise level of the 60D and if one were to downscale the 46mpx image to 36mpx (or 22mpx), I am very sure the noise level will be very comparable to the D800 or better. Shadow noise is a real concern for Canon however. Hopefully they can start putting in an on-chip ADC soon.

Sure, they can, but I think they have a proper reason for not announcing it. Maybe they are dealing with DR or something else ? Maybe they want to bring out fully operational product (with no AF flaws like D800) ?

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Thirdly, DR. Perhaps someone can show me proper photos showing what those 3-4 EV advantage that Sony sensor supposedly boasts as compared to a photo taken with a Canon camera. I would be convinced then. Right now, all I hear is 'scientific' tests with a bunch of numbers. A proper set of photos would convince me what advantage a Sony's sensor has in terms of DR. So far, all I have seen is a bunch of numbers.

I want to see it too. Same location, same setup (lens, aperture, ISO, RAW). Then I can tell if there is so big difference.

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If we look at the AF speed comparison on imaging-resource.com, it is very obvious that the 5D3 focuses almost 2x as fast as the D800 and do not suffer as badly from delays in buffer clearing, etc. That in itself makes the 5D3 a much more usable all-rounded camera.

Yes, 5D Mk III is more all around camera. Aimed mostly on pros, wedding shooters, photojournalist that require fast and precise AF and decent FPS.

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So Canon should make a high mpx camera, by all means. Landscape and studio photographers would love that. It would definitely not affect the target market of 5D3 - People who need an all-rounded camera.

And I agree, there is market for high MPx body. It wont hurt 5D Mk III sales. Like you stated.
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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2012, 01:46:37 PM »
I smell Nikon fanboys  :o

That's got to be the kinkiest fetish I've ever heard. Your mother would be ashamed.

On a separate note, yesterday as I glanced up at the sky I was sure I could see a dead pixel. Should've taken a picture to prove it... :-\

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« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2012, 01:55:29 PM »
I agree it sold.  It was too specific though, whereas the 5D2 was well rounded.  The problem with the 1Ds3 was it was much harder to shoot weddings thoroughly vs. the 5D2.  Almost every wedding photographer I knew 2008-current got the 5D2 and passed on the 1Ds3.  However, I feel that the 1Ds3 is the ultimate landscape camera.  Ultimate.

I guess the low light capability of the 5D2 was what made it more usable for weddings

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« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2012, 01:59:17 PM »
I'm going to have to take issue that anyone was screwed by Canon or this rumored high mp camera. I use my 5dm3 with complete satisfaction cept some niggles like focus point viewablity.
The other i take issue with is that people think the 5dm2 stole the ground from the 1dsm3, like that could happen. Canon made it for those who need the build and durability and those who did got what they wanted, they didn't buy a 5dm2 instead. Seriously, Canon isn't hurt by you not buying a 1d series. They made it for the hc pro's and anyone who wants to plop down the money.
I don't feel sympathetic to anyone in the 1dx camp, those who bought it bought it with full knowledge of what it was made of and put their money down. Theres nothing to feel remorse over, you got what you paid for. Its no slouch at that either. If you didn't buy the 1dx because it didn't help you much then you don't upgrade, if you did then you prob just had money to burn for the latest tech. No one can blame Canon if their gear is obsolete to the purchaser when you knew what you were agreeing to when you bought it. I'd say if the 5dm3 or 1dx doesn't fit your upgrade path then wait, or swtich to Nikon for the d800. I never believed Canon would only have the 1dx, i figured they had to come out with something with major resolution and it doesn't have to be called a 1d. It can have the build and size of the 1d but it doesn't have to be. When they claim to have merged the line it didn't mean they didn't have something more exotic planned.
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I agree with everything you said except, The 5D Mark II actually DID steal ground from the 1Ds Mark III.  That is a well-known fact.  I even bought the 5D Mark II instead back then, because it was cheaper and had the same resolution.  Most of the pros I knew from 2008-current never owned a 1Ds3 simply because of the 5D Mark II.
Like i said though it was made for people who require that level of build, just because you didn't buy it or many pro's didn't doesn't mean it didn't fulfill its purpose, that being for those who require that level of build who shoot in extreme environments. If anyone chose the 5dm2 it was because they never required it.
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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2012, 02:08:04 PM »
I agree with everything you said except, The 5D Mark II actually DID steal ground from the 1Ds Mark III.  That is a well-known fact.  I even bought the 5D Mark II instead back then, because it was cheaper and had the same resolution.  Most of the pros I knew from 2008-current never owned a 1Ds3 simply because of the 5D Mark II.

A lot of 1DS3 were sold - but to a relatively small market niche

However the 5D2 filled another market and sold like hot cakes. Some pros bought it purely from a ROI point of view rather than for IQ.

Whilst the 5D2 had the same mps it lost out significantly on fps, colour rendition and AF.

There are a lot of 1DS3 on the used market now - showing that it did sell

I agree it sold.  It was too specific though, whereas the 5D2 was well rounded.  The problem with the 1Ds3 was it was much harder to shoot weddings thoroughly vs. the 5D2.  Almost every wedding photographer I knew 2008-current got the 5D2 and passed on the 1Ds3.  However, I feel that the 1Ds3 is the ultimate landscape camera.  Ultimate.
Given that i have the 5d1 and the fact that the focus system on the 5d2 was identicle, id say i would shoot a wedding with a 1dsm3 way before the 5dm2 for focus points alone. Saving time composing with center point and then re-composing would be worth it alone. On another note the 1dsm3 had a higher level of sharp detail hence why it is an incredible landscape camera.
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« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2012, 02:23:00 PM »
Given that i have the 5d1 and the fact that the focus system on the 5d2 was identicle, id say i would shoot a wedding with a 1dsm3 way before the 5dm2 for focus points alone. Saving time composing with center point and then re-composing would be worth it alone. On another note the 1dsm3 had a higher level of sharp detail hence why it is an incredible landscape camera.

The 1DS3 is better than the 5D2 as an all-round camera until you wanted to shoot over iso800. Even the 1Ds2 is better to iso800.

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« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2012, 02:23:00 PM »

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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2012, 02:41:28 PM »
Given that i have the 5d1 and the fact that the focus system on the 5d2 was identicle, id say i would shoot a wedding with a 1dsm3 way before the 5dm2 for focus points alone. Saving time composing with center point and then re-composing would be worth it alone. On another note the 1dsm3 had a higher level of sharp detail hence why it is an incredible landscape camera.

The 1DS3 is better than the 5D2 as an all-round camera until you wanted to shoot over iso800. Even the 1Ds2 is better to iso800.
Well theres that. Typically i used flash which didn't require over 800 iso at the time though. With the 5dm3 that i have now i feel more liberty to shoot high iso no flash photography. I have shot 3200 iso with the 1dm3 and if exposed properly it will render pretty well but if underexposed by 1/2 even 1/3rd stop it can start getting ugly. I just shoot dark receptions with flash anyway so no need for iso above 400.
The 1ds2 was better than the 1ds3 at iso 800? I never knew that! Being that it was geared toward studio was the low iso cleaner on the 1dsm3?
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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2012, 02:46:51 PM »
The 1ds2 was better than the 1ds3 at iso 800? I never knew that! Being that it was geared toward studio was the low iso cleaner on the 1dsm3?

Sorry - I meant the 1Ds2 is better that the 5D2 to iso800

It gives very different colour rendition than the 1Ds3 - probably I would guess as it is only 12 bit. Of course the 1Ds2 is only 16mp, but then so is the 1D4

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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2012, 04:25:53 PM »
I would rather see a high dynamic range, without the HDR time delay of taking multiple exposures.

However, I think Canon should come out with a medium format camera. 
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« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2012, 04:47:36 PM »
A. CRs 35+ MP slower fps
B. 1D X Super fps
C. 5D III little of both
D. All of the above and put them into 1 body with price tag $10K plus

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For me, I still take 5D III :)  Why? AF + high ISO + decent fps
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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2012, 04:48:56 PM »
I would rather see a high dynamic range, without the HDR time delay of taking multiple exposures.

However, I think Canon should come out with a medium format camera.

...would you buy new expensive lenses for medium format ?  ;) I think that image circle of current lenses is too small to support medium format.
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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2012, 06:37:30 PM »
its simple

If you shoot
- landscapes, get 5D X (when it comes out, if it comes out)
- weddings get 5D mark 3
- birds get 7D
- low budget 600D (not 650, way too expensive for nothing...)
- video get a f**ckin video-camera!

i'd like to see a cheap FF DSLR

and some better dynamic range in RAW mode, so much invest on jpeg.. never understood why
some new features like an articulated screen in a FF camera.

I get the feeling canon waits for nikon to make a huge step and then just follow.. and that just gives me the creeps cause i support Canon for years!!!
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Re: Big Megapixels Coming Soon? [CR1]
« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2012, 07:23:10 PM »
I agree with everything you said except, The 5D Mark II actually DID steal ground from the 1Ds Mark III.  That is a well-known fact.  I even bought the 5D Mark II instead back then, because it was cheaper and had the same resolution.  Most of the pros I knew from 2008-current never owned a 1Ds3 simply because of the 5D Mark II.

A lot of 1DS3 were sold - but to a relatively small market niche

However the 5D2 filled another market and sold like hot cakes. Some pros bought it purely from a ROI point of view rather than for IQ.

Whilst the 5D2 had the same mps it lost out significantly on fps, colour rendition and AF.

There are a lot of 1DS3 on the used market now - showing that it did sell

I agree it sold.  It was too specific though, whereas the 5D2 was well rounded.  The problem with the 1Ds3 was it was much harder to shoot weddings thoroughly vs. the 5D2.  Almost every wedding photographer I knew 2008-current got the 5D2 and passed on the 1Ds3.  However, I feel that the 1Ds3 is the ultimate landscape camera.  Ultimate.
Given that i have the 5d1 and the fact that the focus system on the 5d2 was identicle, id say i would shoot a wedding with a 1dsm3 way before the 5dm2 for focus points alone. Saving time composing with center point and then re-composing would be worth it alone. On another note the 1dsm3 had a higher level of sharp detail hence why it is an incredible landscape camera.

You'd shoot a wedding with a 1Ds3?  Haha, ok, good luck.  Better bring a ton of portable lighting.
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« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2012, 07:36:25 PM »
I agree with everything you said except, The 5D Mark II actually DID steal ground from the 1Ds Mark III.  That is a well-known fact.  I even bought the 5D Mark II instead back then, because it was cheaper and had the same resolution.  Most of the pros I knew from 2008-current never owned a 1Ds3 simply because of the 5D Mark II.

A lot of 1DS3 were sold - but to a relatively small market niche

However the 5D2 filled another market and sold like hot cakes. Some pros bought it purely from a ROI point of view rather than for IQ.

Whilst the 5D2 had the same mps it lost out significantly on fps, colour rendition and AF.

There are a lot of 1DS3 on the used market now - showing that it did sell

I agree it sold.  It was too specific though, whereas the 5D2 was well rounded.  The problem with the 1Ds3 was it was much harder to shoot weddings thoroughly vs. the 5D2.  Almost every wedding photographer I knew 2008-current got the 5D2 and passed on the 1Ds3.  However, I feel that the 1Ds3 is the ultimate landscape camera.  Ultimate.
Given that i have the 5d1 and the fact that the focus system on the 5d2 was identicle, id say i would shoot a wedding with a 1dsm3 way before the 5dm2 for focus points alone. Saving time composing with center point and then re-composing would be worth it alone. On another note the 1dsm3 had a higher level of sharp detail hence why it is an incredible landscape camera.

You'd shoot a wedding with a 1Ds3?  Haha, ok, good luck.  Better bring a ton of portable lighting.

+1 :)

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« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2012, 07:36:25 PM »