Fixed lens “Retro” camera coming from Canon?

[justaCanonuser]

They are called Veblen Goods - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good

Ah, thanks.

 

[justaCanonuser]

Lol how much do you think vintage Ms are going for? You can get an M3 in wonderful condition for under $1500.

I don't talk about everybody's M3, the real thing are e.g. original black paint M3's from the first production batch. Here's an example for such a collector's wet dream:

Leica M3 black paint First Batch 959-420 with Buddha Lugs in original vintage c | eBay

Komplett überprüft. Bei Gebrauchtwaren gilt eine Gewährleistung von 1 Jahr. Bilder / Pics. Keine Selbstabholung. Including a matching black paint brass mount Summicron 2/5cm no.1587365, black painted.

www.ebay.de

IF this isn't one of those "converted" Leicas. I heard there is a growing no. of fakes of such rare Leicas offered on the web, including rare military Leica models.

 

[dickgrafixstop]

No interest in this one. I would be interested however, if a true retro SLR style would garner any enthusiasm from anyone other than me. The specs:
No video, stills only. Small body, AE1 size. Auto-focus to use R lenses (and EF adapter), Mode switch for color/mono. Rugged body (less plastic?). Bright
viewfinder and not too heavy.

 

[Sporgon]

No interest in this one. I would be interested however, if a true retro SLR style would garner any enthusiasm from anyone other than me. The specs:
No video, stills only. Small body, AE1 size. Auto-focus to use R lenses (and EF adapter), Mode switch for color/mono. Rugged body (less plastic?). Bright
viewfinder and not too heavy.

You mean an R5 without video capability ?

 

[sanj]

You mean an R5 without video capability ?

No, he does not. He said 'retro'.

 

[Kit.]

No, he does not. He said 'retro'.

Given R6II focus selection modes, R5 is definitely retro.

Also, 30 min video limit is not exactly "without video capability", but close to that.

 

[jedy]

No interest in this one. I would be interested however, if a true retro SLR style would garner any enthusiasm from anyone other than me. The specs:
No video, stills only. Small body, AE1 size. Auto-focus to use R lenses (and EF adapter), Mode switch for color/mono. Rugged body (less plastic?). Bright
viewfinder and not too heavy.

Judging by the success of Nikon's retro ZF, I can see Canon going down this route rather than the 'Leica purist' route. In other words, a modern 24MP mirrorless with video, the latest AF modes and a flippy selfie screen all wrapped up in a retro style body with shutter and ISO dials and maybe a few new film like picture styles. I believe a camera like that would sell more than a stripped down SLR 'purist' type. A purist camera would likely have much less appeal and would, like Leica, likely end up being very costly and sold in limited numbers.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Judging by the success of Nikon's retro ZF

Judged by what metric?

 

[Quack]

Judged by what metric?

A couple lists posted by 43 Rumors:

Best selling cameras in second half of February according to Yodobashi:

1. Nikon Z f
2. OM SYSTEM OM-1 Mark II
3. SONY α7C II
4. Leica Q3
5. FUJIFILM X-T5
6. Nikon Z8
7. RICOH GR IIIx
8. Canon EOS R6 Mark II
9. FUJIFILM X100V
10. DJI Osmo Pocket 3

Best selling cameras in February according to MapCamera:

1. Sony α7C II Body
2. Nikon Z f 40mm f/2 (SE) Lens Kit
3. Sony α7C II Zoom Lens Kit
4. OM SYSTEM OM-1 Mark II Body
5. Nikon Z 8 Body
6. Sony α7 IV Body
7. Sony α7R V Body
8. Nikon Z 50 Double Zoom Kit
9. Sony FX3 Body
10. Nikon Z fc 16 -50 VR SL Lens Kit

 

[YuengLinger]

I hate retro. There's a reason we move on to the modern "ugly" ergonomic superior designs.

Those who love retro usually use the camera as props to shoot Instagram/tiktok.

Fuji X100VI is raising over 2500 USD-equivalent in Hong Kong... Seriously with this price might as well buy a Leica.

I feel the same about purists who, to this day, claim film is superior to digital. And then they scan their images to post on Instagram, thank you.

 

[neuroanatomist]

A couple lists posted by 43 Rumors:

Best selling cameras in second half of February according to Yodobashi:

1. Nikon Z f
2. OM SYSTEM OM-1 Mark II
3. SONY α7C II
4. Leica Q3
5. FUJIFILM X-T5
6. Nikon Z8
7. RICOH GR IIIx
8. Canon EOS R6 Mark II
9. FUJIFILM X100V
10. DJI Osmo Pocket 3

Best selling cameras in February according to MapCamera:

1. Sony α7C II Body
2. Nikon Z f 40mm f/2 (SE) Lens Kit
3. Sony α7C II Zoom Lens Kit
4. OM SYSTEM OM-1 Mark II Body
5. Nikon Z 8 Body
6. Sony α7 IV Body
7. Sony α7R V Body
8. Nikon Z 50 Double Zoom Kit
9. Sony FX3 Body
10. Nikon Z fc 16 -50 VR SL Lens Kit

Not sure I’d call two chains/stores in one country representative. Per BCN (aggregating about half the stores in Japan), the Zf was #30 in Feb, up from #91 in January.

On Amazon US, it’s #58 in MILCs (for comparison, the R5 is #4, the R8 is #5 and there are several other FF MILCs from Sony and Nikon that are well above the Zf on the list).

Not sure those are consistent with ‘successful’.

 

[Del Paso]

I hate retro. There's a reason we move on to the modern "ugly" ergonomic superior designs.

Those who love retro usually use the camera as props to shoot Instagram/tiktok.

Fuji X100VI is raising over 2500 USD-equivalent in Hong Kong... Seriously with this price might as well buy a Leica.

If you find a Leica for $2500, please order 50 for me!
The M11 (naked body) is around $9000.

 

[Del Paso]

I don't talk about everybody's M3, the real thing are e.g. original black paint M3's from the first production batch. Here's an example for such a collector's wet dream:

Leica M3 black paint First Batch 959-420 with Buddha Lugs in original vintage c | eBay

Komplett überprüft. Bei Gebrauchtwaren gilt eine Gewährleistung von 1 Jahr. Bilder / Pics. Keine Selbstabholung. Including a matching black paint brass mount Summicron 2/5cm no.1587365, black painted.

www.ebay.de

IF this isn't one of those "converted" Leicas. I heard there is a growing no. of fakes of such rare Leicas offered on the web, including rare military Leica models.

These are cameras I wouldn't even think of buying from Ebay. All black paint M1 to M4 sell at astronomical prices.
Without a real expertise from a renowned vintage Leica specialist, it would be safer to buy the Eiffel Tower or London Bridge on the run...
PS: (sightly off topic) : A few years ago, somebody tried to sell Napoleon's infant skull. I'm afraid he succeeded.

 

[P-visie]

Not sure I’d call two chains/stores in one country representative. Per BCN (aggregating about half the stores in Japan), the Zf was #30 in Feb, up from #91 in January.

On Amazon US, it’s #58 in MILCs (for comparison, the R5 is #4, the R8 is #5 and there are several other FF MILCs from Sony and Nikon that are well above the Zf on the list).

Not sure those are consistent with ‘successful’.

DPReview was not impressed with its ‘Operation and handling’ either (link to review):
”We're a little less convinced when it comes to the camera's handling. Even compared with the cameras it's modeled on, the Zf can become uncomfortable to hold after a while, and we found it hard to shake the perception that Nikon's engineers hadn't really thought-through the full implications of having dedicated dials when they copied over most behaviors from their other cameras.”

 

[sanj]

I feel the same about purists who, to this day, claim film is superior to digital. And then they scan their images to post on Instagram, thank you.

If there was a ZF equivalent in Canon I would have bought it.

 

[memoriaphoto]

If Canon is releasing this then I hope they are working on their color character. The Canon color signature has been quite dull (but probably technically accurate) lately. One of the main reasons the Fujifilm is selling so well in the retro-department is its glorious film simulations and flexibility to alter the look in camera. If Canon just releases a retro-style camera with the regular boring picture profiles then count me out.

 

[YuengLinger]

If there was a ZF equivalent in Canon I would have bought it.

I like the look of it, but I wouldn't want to give up the ergonomics of cameras such as the R5. A retro body would definitely be one I'd have to try before purchasing.

 

[YuengLinger]

If Canon is releasing this then I hope they are working on their color character. The Canon color signature has been quite dull (but probably technically accurate) lately. One of the main reasons the Fujifilm is selling so well in the retro-department is its glorious film simulations and flexibility to alter the look in camera. If Canon just releases a retro-style camera with the regular boring picture profiles then count me out.

The oversaturated, hyper-punchy, and "film" looks can be achieved easily in post; on the other hand, you may find some great tutorials (as the one linked below) to explain how to create beautiful Canon Picture Styles, using Canon software, that can be easily uploaded to use in camera. You can even download pre-made Fujii styles for the green skies, etc. Or you can demand out-of-the-box-options. Choice is good!

EDIT: Here's one more link for quick and easy "film styles":

 

[Kit.]

A couple lists posted by 43 Rumors:

Best selling cameras in second half of February according to Yodobashi:

1. Nikon Z f

EOS R50 is currently at the first place:

https://www.yodobashi.com/category/19055/19056/200003/ranking/

So, what does that tell us?

 

[koenkooi]

If Canon is releasing this then I hope they are working on their color character. The Canon color signature has been quite dull (but probably technically accurate) lately. [...]

Do you mean with the SOOC JPEGs or when using RAW? And if using RAW, which converter are you using?