5D Mark II
The 5D Mark II currently has an instant $500 rebate in Canada.
I do not recall ever seeing that big of a rebate on a camera body. The 800 f/5.6 which costs about 5 times more than a 5D Mark II has a $1000 rebate.
I’ve received some info about a new Hybrid camera for September that is a giant leap forward.
I’m not saying 5D Mark III, but that’s a big rebate for an “affordable” camera.
D700 replacement imminent?
60D
Various reports of reps saying a 60D is on the near horizon.
A lot more stores reporting a dried up inventory of 50D’s and inability to get more.
100-400 Replacement
More reports of a 100-400 replacement.
I’m going to say it isn’t coming based on past experience ordering products that are about to be replaced. The 100-400 is still very easy to get from Canon Canada.
I’ll monitor this closely.
One thing that may suggest it’s coming is Nikon is preparing a replacement of the 80-400 I’m told. If we go by the 70-200 f/2.8 replacements, we could expect Canon to upgrade theirs as well.
I will note the 100-400 is a massive seller for Canon as it sits.
500 f/5.6 or 600 f/5.6
I’ve heard a couple request for both of these lenses. With the ISO abilities of camera bodies now, why do we need to lug around f/4 supertelephotos?
A replacement of the 400 f/5.6L with a 500 f/5.6L IS makes a pile of sense. A lot of people take the 100-400 over the 400 prime. A 500 prime at f/5.6 could cost $3000-$4000 and sell very well.
A 600 f/5.6? A lot less likely. I’d expect to see a 600 DO first.
Canon G12
The next “G” will be CMOS equipped and shoot HD video. I’m told I can guarantee it. Not really a reach after seeing the SD4000. :)
Another suggestion is a form factor change and a better optical VF.
Gearing up for Rumor Season
A lot more little things are coming in now. Expect things to take off soon.
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First again!
Second :P
If only there would be rebates in europe as well..
I might buy the 5D Mark II.
Should Canon release a 5D Mark II like camera with 1080p Raw video on a sensor that is 1080p x 2 pixel wise. Around 4K or so. With dust and moisture protection. Proper HDMI out .. they could ask 3500 for it and professionals woud buy 1-20 pieces at once.
Back in 2006 when Canon used to do double/triple mail in rebates, they offered a $600 mail in rebate for the original 5D. At that point I think it had been out a year.
Here’s the old rebate form.
http://media.the-digital-picture.com/Rebate-Forms/Canon-Fall-Winter-2006-Rebate.pdf
My wish list (partial at that) for a so-called 5D Mark III:
1) More exposure bracketing range for AEB (more than the current 3 available now)
2) RAW output for video
3) Faster autofocus
4) Continuous autofocus while recording video (camcorder style for gun & run situations)
Wonder what’s been seen around the South Africa World Cup in regards to Canon prototypes?
In Europe decent rebates are rare, I’d love one on the 1dmk4.
I would also like the ability like some point and shoot or sony cameras to have a low light setting in which it uses less megapixels for high iso settings, or an add-on attachment for a faster FPS camera instead of buying a secondary body.
Some Canadian stores are now selling the 5D cheaper in CND dollars then what it’s listed in USD dollars in the US.
Last year, it was forcast that Nikon and Canon would introduce a lot of new high end products this year. i’m still waiting to be overwhelmed.
I just posted in another thread about the GAPING HOLE in Canon’s lineup for a full-frame SLR with decent motor speed. If the 5D would actually compensate me for switching to mRAW by giving me faster drive speeds, I would sell one of my livers and buy 3 of them immediately.
CR Guy asks, “D700 replacement?” Give me 8fps in a Canon full-framer, perhaps enabled by the vertical grip like on D700, and it’s a deal.
Third grade.
“Soon”, “on the horizon”, could you translate that to a timeframe the rest of us can understand? One week, one month, three months? Are we talking about releases or just announcements?
El Moronico strikes again.
I do believe Canon is creating a line up to make me spend some money…. I bet a new 100-400, though, will be a very pretty penny. Probably over $2k, right? Ouch…
I dont get this site anymore…are you supposed to publish rumors or supposed to just say I know something but I can’t tell ya what it is? :))
If you check out some of the deals now I just saw aden Camera in Toronto listing the 1D MarkIII for $1800.00 of MSRP down to $7000.00
Not sure what you mean by “more exposure bracketing range”, but I’ll second it anyway.
What I need is more exposures, not wider increment. The standard zero/plus/minus 3-frame thing won’t cut it. Many HDR situations I deal with need at least 5 frames bracketed by about 1.3 stop increments. 7 to 9 brackets in an HDR is not at all unheard of for me, and I know other photographers report using more exposures than that.
Come on, Canon. That should just be a firmware thing.
Both…and more.
I recently took a 1-week test drive with a rented Canon 100-400 while on a vacation with wildlife photo opportunities. I got some photos with that lens I would not have gotten without it, but overall I was pretty dissatisfied with both design and optics. I was VERY glad I had rented and not bought. This is a lens I would never buy unless it came at a bargain basement price.
Since then I have purchased a used 400mm f/5.6L fixed for just under a grand. With this lens, I have traded off IS and zoom capabilities, but, holy crap, I get much sharper photos with much less weight, sweat and eyestrain.
100-400 has GOT to be near the head of the line for a Canon upgrade. And Murphy’s law would seem to dictate a release soon since I just spent the money on this lens.
I’d expect $2500.00 or more as a list price.
Why are rumors (or rumor topics) now posted without a rumor-rating? Are these all CR0? Or CR1? Or…?
1ds4 is ready for prime time. all algorithm and sensor tests completed in tohoku. will be announced when the leaves change color. no new hybrid camera other than 1ds4.
Hopefully we will see the EF-S 15-70mm f/4 IS USM very soon then.
My own wishes:
– Lower noise, better ISO performance
– Better dynamic
– More video mode 720p, 24, 25, 30 fps…
– Better AF
I would love a “portable” (above 1,5 Kg) super tele stawrtint at 400 with high optical quality and IS.
I do not need more megapixel. 21 is enough and my PC “just fast enough”.
So Canon, reading this forum? :-P
Bye
Hmmm, in Malaysia also the street price has gone done about USD500 early May…..
call me crazy but.. this rebate made me feel that the 5d mark II will not be replaced. Instead, a higher camera model will be introduced. Maybe something that is totall new..
On the f/5.6 teles, note that with a f/4 tele you have the chance of using a 1.4x extender on it and maintaining AF on lesser bodies. You wont have that at f/5.6.
How well does the 300 f/2.8 work with a 2x extender? Potentially there’s your 600 f/5.6 already.
I’m not sure a 500 f/5.6 brings enough over 400mm f/5.6 to be worth bothering with, unless it is very cheap.
RAW videos is the next killing application but i’m not sure it’s already time for it, it depends on the performance of a single/dual digic V, and also in how they want to define the format; 24 fps @ 1080p @ 12/14 bit RAW data are a HUGE bandwidth for a CF/SD.
Merging all rumors,
Sony is coming out with 2 pellix cameras http://bit.ly/dsJvqf , that are perfect for videos (for both normal user and action videos) since they have a phase detection AF always on, loosing only 1/3 EV. (no FF at the moment, so for pros 5DMkII or D3s are still better)
I’ve got many consideration but I prefer to cut here this part :-)
About Nikon, 3 cameras are coming, and one should be FF; every hints seems to say “D700 is gonna be replaced” but Nikon coninue to say that there’s no replacement this year, so it’s a 50/50 between “they’re lying to cover their moves, it’s the D700s/D800” and “it will be a new camera”.
It also seems that Nikon had a big switch to Apple, so 1080p videos should arrive soon.
Canon already had pellix cameras during the film era, so they also could come out with an hybrid camera again :-)
Implementing both curtains electronically, pellix cameras would be a must for sport and videos; no mirror blackout while the AF can continue its tracking, shooting at 10fps+ limited only by the technology and not mechanically.
You loose: the shutter, 2 engine, the prism = less bucks.
NEX are simply mirroless, using contrast AF, but seems really impressive for general purpose (the sensor is great, compare the NEX5 and the 7D @ high ISOs on imaging resource…); a pellix or a DSLR using this sensor… let’s say that if Canon doesn’t comes out with a decent sensor ( != the current 18MP one) one of these camera it’s mine :-)
If they released the 500 f/5.6 i don’t think at all it would worth 3000 – 4000 USD Check thé prive of the 400. 5.6
pellix – on a DSLR? would this not also lose quality as a well as light – It would concern me that the pellix element would deteroriate image quality. Does anyone else think a 60D pellix would really only be good as a video camera that takes images if required too?
I’m done waiting for the 60D. Going on holiday next month so I decided to buy the 50D (just 600€ atm). Now I can at least play with it a bit before I’m leaving. And it will probably save me at leasy 300€ ;-)
The pellix-solution is what I´ve been waiting for for such a long time. In film days I had the RT and the 1N RS – they were both great and offered enormous framerates of up to 10fps (in the 1990ies), and that was WITHOUT a mirror-blackout.
This would be a real improvement for video shooting but also for shooting stills a high framerates. You would be able to track fast moving objects (e.g. birds, soccer players,…) a lot easier in the viewfinder.
Loosing 1/3EV is not a big deal considering the high iso capabilties of today´s cameras. But there seem to bee some other technical issues according to a poster at the linked sonyalphaforum (quote from “Erik”):
“Light loss isn’t the only reason this type of SLR was a kind of dead end.
Internal reflection in the mirror causes a double image (ghosting). To reduce this as much as possible, the mirror is as thin as possible, a thin membrane (hence the name pellicle). But this makes the membrane move due to air pressure if the rear group of the lens moves during AF, problematic during tracking AF when the PD-AF system needs to take frequent readings. Also the membrane will gather dust which reduces IQ and it’s very hard to clean the delicate surface. Finally there’s a colour shift over the surface due to transmission varying with angle and wavelength. This would vary with the exit pupil location, so vary with lens and zoom setting, and hard to fully correct, I imagine.
Now, if you are desperate to get your old-tech SLR lenses to work with video AF maybe it’s worth suffering the drawbacks, but it’s no panacea.”
Are these problems that can´t be controlled? Couldn´t the dust be removed with a similar system like the internal sensor cleaning?
Does anybody know what were the exact reasons why Canon discontinued the pellix camera versions?
IS and weather sealing could make a 500 F5.6 worth it for budget birders and old shaky guys like me.
How nice will a Nikon D3s be with a Canon mount?! Think Nikon can make a lot of money producing one of these!!
Maybe Canon marketing is waiting for Nikon and/or Sony to come out of the bushes first?
I am a bit of a lens snob sticking to L-lenses, but; If Sigma puts OS (IS) on their 100-300 F4 it will be a no brainer to get it, this is a magic lens and works well with 1.4 extenders.
All of you people seem to have forgotten about the 24-70 IS II. That is the only lens I care about!
It better be replaced!
Also, if the $500 rebate comes to the good ol’ US of A, you will be able to find a 5D mk II on craigslist for $1200-$1500
Currently, they all around 2K on craigslist.
There is a good chance that the only thing you have missed out on is video. I don’t think we’ll see anything radical in the 60D, just a 550D in a 50D body with the usual extras. Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion.
Canon has something FF and wont announce it untill Nikon reveals their D700 replacement. It could be a 5DMk3 or a 3D.
also, just like another guy posted above, I bought a 300 f2.8 L IS with a 1.4 and 2x converter. Even at F5.6, my images are great. Why someone would spend that kind of a cash on a 500 or 600 5.6 prime is beyond me. Get the 300 with the extenders and have some more flexibility.
The 800 5.6 costs $11,000. My 300 with a 2x on a 7D which gives me 960 mm, cost me $4,800.
I find the prime the perfect prime to have. On a 1.6, I rarely need the 2x extender; however, on a 1.3 or full frame, it may be necessary.
1500…would this mean something like the REAL cost plus a certain profit percentage added…?
You want to see a replacement to the “24-70 IS II”? They haven’t even made a Mark I version of that lens yet.
;-)
I like this idea, alot! I have been lusting for something longer than my 400 f5.6L for birding. The 300 with the 1.4 would give me 420 and the 300 with the 2x would give me the 600 I want. Thanks for saving me some money :)
Good point, I forgot the existing 400L prime doesn’t have IS. I have the 100-400L which does, hence “only” going to 500 f/5.6 prime isn’t so interesting to me.
If they could do something like a 1xx-600 f/5.6L zoom, that’ll be great, but I would settle on a 1xx-500 f/5.6L zoom too as an update to the 100-400.
Agree, will even settle for a 200-500f/5.6 for a dedicated wildlife zoom. Most people do have a 70-300 or 70-200 somewhere in the bag as standby/walk around.
I own a 300 f/2.8 L and it works quite well as a 420 f/4 and 600 f/5.6 as well. But putting on and taking off TCs as I walk around Watkins Glen raceway is a pain.
So what I want is a 200/250-500 f/2.8-4 that takes a 1.4x TC extremely well. I might go as high as $10,000 for one from Canon. Given Sigma’s 120-300 and 300-800, I’m amazed that they haven’t introduced a 200-500 f/4 as well. I’ve certainly asked them enough times.
300mm f/2.8 with the 1.4x is virtually indistinguishable from the lens alone. Very good combination with pretty much no degradation visible without some heavy pixel peeping.
With the 2x. . . it gets a little iffy in my opinion. Manual focusing just doesn’t snap. Back in my newspaper days, I can remember pulling film off the reel and being able to tell exactly where I switched to the 2x because of a noticeable loss in contrast.
The last year I worked in news, I only used the 2x once: at a hostage situation where the police kept us back a full block away from the house. I got to where I would rather crop the neg than deal with the flat contrast.
I’m sick of waiting for the rumored 60D.
There was a price drop in the 5D MK II kit prices, and I think the body only price too of about 250€ from the German price lists available on canon.de
Not a rebate as a such but a drop in price – I still paid less than the lower list price after asking for a discount :) so I’m happy – at the same time the online prices checked via idealo.de seem to have stayed the same.
But there was a price drop.
On that note – they are possibly dropping the profit margin on the 5D MK II.
I don’t think these cameras were discontinued due to any particular shortcomings. Color rendition was slightly different shooting through the mirror, but nothing that’s not easily corrected in the scanning process.
The EOS RT was part of the EOS 620/630/650 series and, if I remember right, was announced as sort of a “limited edition.” However, the RT was fairly readily available the whole time this series was in production.
The 1NRS was a specialty camera and probably limited in production run. It was expensive (about $2000.00 when conventional pro SLR’s topped out at around $800.00) and specialized. There has been a pellix version of every Canon Pro film SLR (F-1, New F-1, and EOS 1).
I don’t think these cameras were so much discontinued as they were just part of camera lines that were superseded by other lines.
where is this information on 5dmark2 $500off rebate? is this old or coming up?
A 500mm/5.6 would be a great lens … but then AF would have to work on all cameras – I have enough heard of this artificial crippling for marketing reasons.
Naturally we would need new speed generation cards for Raw-video. in 32, 64, 128, 256GB capacities.
But more importantly we would need 4TB and larger harddrives.
Yep- your list is spot on.
I for one would be perfectly fine with 8 megapixels FF if the noise benefits would be like 5 times better or something.
Whats this rebates-thing all about?! Can anyone explain please?
You have picked up on something huge with the 720p video. The slower framerates (i.e., 30fps) are only availalbe in the T1i. The T1i takes great 720p video at 30fps AND the file sizes are very manageable for PC’s and video cards. Canon really needs to allow 5d, 7d and T2i the option of allowing lower framerate 720p video on these models.
Its worth 300 to have video available when needed. Quite handy for holiday.
you should wait man.. its a few months left..
Im also waiting for the 60D, and not interested on the video functions.
Im expeting to have E-TTL Wireless built in master, and Second Courtain Sync with wireless flash, better light metering and autofocus sensor.
I guess that is worth it…
me too.. but the 7D its quite expensive, and the T2i is a pussy..
Where should we go?
I agree.. 500mm 5.6 IS or NOT IS.. should be great lens for nature and sport photography..
price range: 1200-1500 would be great
I think you mean “kidneys”. I don’t think you have more than 1 liver.
I bought 7d yesterday. I figure if 60d ever comes out and has features I really want, I’ll sell it at a loss and buy 60d. You could wait for the Nikon D8000 (possible name for the D90 successor). It should be nails!
Tears of JOY CR Guy. Best post in 6 months!
You mean with a 1.4x? Because all canon bodies will AF with a max aperture f/5.6 lens attached…
In any case I wish the 7D could AF with a max f/8 lens + extender combo..
Also are you a bit optimistic on the value of your “kidney”?
I’d expect to pay about the same. $2500-$2700 sounds about right. Hope for a rotating zoom design though.
Much prefer a 500 5.6 for $3000. On full frame in particular 400mm is too short.
So the 1Ds4 will have interchangeable parts like the mediums (Leaf and Phase)?
You basically have that lens already. 15-85?? with narrower aperture sure, but much more reach. It’s a stellar performer to boot. I’d enjoy it if I were you.
I used to think a 3D was coming, but I think the 5D3 makes the most sense in the Canon gestalt.
Canon would sell so many of these light and long and stabilized lenses. We need to be able to get above 400 for reach. The 400 5.6 already gives us a lot for a little. The 500 5.6 with IS would seal the deal for birders and backpackers. Canon for life!
500 f/5.6 IS is ideal.
400 f/4 IS is good too.
We all care about that. It’s just not in the rumors today.
My wish list (for the thousandth time and it never gets old):
24-70 f/2.8 IS
500 f/5.6 IS
35 f/1.2
My thoughts as well. It is interesting to watch nikonrumors and sonyalpharumors as well. Desperately waiting for …
Any coincident timing with FIFA World Cup in South Africa?
the big problem is that i have plenty of Canon stuff… Speedlites units and lenses.. i cant change that easy..
I have 2000$ to spent on a new camera right now… but i dont want to spent it all in a BODY.. i dont need features present on the 7D, and i want more slave flashes or a Wide angle lens for the diference.
If ever the canon 60D came out, and cost arround 1300$ or 1200$ body only.. i will be saving 800$… enough for a Ultra Wide Angle Lens or the new Canon Speedlite 680ex…
My guess is a 200-400 f4L IS on the new super telephoto – that would be sooooo sweet.
I agree… added to my wish list…
Why stop there, why not ask for a 15-85 f2.8?
I hear you and was in somewhat the same boat. However, are you willing to wait till Aug/Sep/Oct timeframe? I think that is what you should expect. Maybe if D8000 or Sony Alpha comes out then Canon might speed it up in response to keep from losing sales. I’ve been waiting months and couldn’t rationalize waiting the rest of the summer too. 60d will probably meet my needs and then some, but, 7d is here today. I will say, the 7d is a pleasure to use in all respects. The AF and image quality is really great. It seems to create more natural looking images than the T2i. I think the T2i is tuned to “pop” the colors.
You have just described the 7D.
Except it won’t be an extra €300 when it is launched. His holiday is next month, so a) the 60D probably won’t be available and b) it will only be selling for MSRP if it is. The 50D was €1,299 at launch, so expect to pay that for a 60D for the first couple of months. That’s over twice the price he paid for the 50D.
The alternative is to buy a 550D with video for about the same money now and then trade it for a 60D in a year or so.
The 7D does Second Courtain Sync?!?!?!? … REAR?
yes I meant with 1.4x TC – thanks for the hint.
shall I give up the fight?
im waiting for the 60D since the 50D details were realese… i`ve a XTI body (400D) with a shutter unit and the sensor already change.. im always using a 50D lended from a friend to make produccion and comercial work. (dont trust anymore in my 400D, Im always thinking about she blowing up in the middle of a work.)
maybe the 7D on rebate its the way to go.. but… Im still beliving on canon to make BODIES that make Second Courtain Flash Sync…
Does the 7D do Rear Courtain?
+1 for a 500 f/5.6 IS. $3000 is something that I could still afford after being really nice to the misses for a while. >$600 for the 500 f/4 is a different story.
Based on my experience with the 300 f/4 + 1.4x TC I am using now, f/5.6 is good enough (although using the TC will be difficult), and IS is a must – therefore I have never seriously considered the current (ancient) 400 f/5.6.
The 2x TC has a rather mixed reputation. All it does is magnify the center of the image of a lens that was designed and optimized for a much larger image area.
If the lens is designed for the longer focal length from the beginning one can expect better performance that with a TC combination.
You buy a camera at the price the retailer charges, then you send off to Canon for the rebate. Canon then sends you a cheque for the rebate amount.
Camera manufacturers usually do this either to clear excess stock, or to mitigate exchange rate fluctuations.
Hope this helps!
Certainly agree, but I think sometimes people ask too much for “the best” when they really mean “good enough”. In part, that is why I’d be more interested in a 600mm zoom than just another tele prime.
Thanks a lot. So sometimes Canon offers these rebates? Is it worldwide or just in some nations if it happens?
I really want a 500mm 5.6 IS or a 400mm 5.6 IS, that have really fast AF and sharpness.
Dumb question. Is there anyway to get the canadian rebate if I live in the U.S? Ordering online maybe?
Does Canon have a deathwish?? (See Bronson post)
Any new camera that isn’t full-frame seals Canon’ fate that Nikon will be dancing on Canon’s grave and laughing all the way to the bank..
that’s very true. HD storage definitely will need to increase too in order to handle RAW footage.
Nikon Rumors received hints there weren’t be a D700 replacement this year.
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Does anybody knows canadian shop which ship to europe (france)? Cause that’s a real interesting rebate.
I know that’s a little bit easy question, but no try no win ;)
I’ve had the 400/5.6 and sold it for the 100-400 which produces better images due to IS and zoom range. The guy I sold the 400 to also sold it. No IS is a killer. Or do you shoot only in bright light ?
Why??? A Canon with an “F” mount makes more sense to me! Some of Nikon’s recent lenses are VERY interesting.
I mainly use primes, BUT a 200-400 f4.0 would be nice.
Unless its an instant rebate I doubt it. You’d have a shipping address on your receipt/invoice that would say U.S. on it which would automatically be grounds to disqualify you for a mail-in rebate.
I’m in Canada and looked at stores in my city and online. It is a $500 instant rebate e.g. Vistek.ca it cost $2449.
Mick u were right..
Screw the 60D… XD i just buy the Canon 7D Body for $1525 on amazon…
In the last day of Rebate… =) thanks 2 u.
i’m looking at futureshop.ca. 5dm2 is 2449.99. so, after the rebate, it would be 1949.99? that sounds pretty good to me : )
erm…. what about RAID arrays?
I have a 6.36TB array and a 8.18TB array available over my network with up to 80MB/sec write speeds from my desktop. I can get peak about 200MB/sec if I transfer between them on the server itself.
Dedicated hardware RAID FTW!! :)
Bob,
Do you have any photos using the 1.4 and 2x converter online anywhere? If so I’d like to check them out.
Thanks for the info. I’ve rented the 1.4x and 2x extenders and plan to try them out with my 200 2.8L prime to see what it’s like working with them. I know it’s not the same as using them on a 300 but it will give me some clues as to what to expect image quality wise.
No, that’s not it.
The price of 2499.99 already includes the 500$ rebates.
Anyway, it doesn’t seem to be a rebate but a price drop from canon canada.
A 100(200)-400 zoom with a 1.4 TC and you are almost there… But for AF to work properly on consumer cameras, it would have to be f/4, like the Nikon.
My point was more that one should not buy a lens with the intention of using it only with the TC – unless there are other serious drawbacks, e.g. the lack of IS on the 400 f/5.6 wrt the 300 f/4 + 1.4 TC.
A 500 f/5.6 IS would be really nice for birding.
I have good experience with the 1.4x TC on my modest 300 f/4, and I would also stay away from the 2x TC.
BTW, the 800 f/5.6 on a APS-C body gives effective 1280mm.
Yep, and Nikon waits for Canon to go first, to ensure they can tweak their product a bit further, so it beats the competition ;) All big ones know the World Cup is there, and they all know people would love a nice update for the 100-400 / 80-400. New big lenses are always good. (though perhaps the 300s are too good now… see a blogging competing rental site site ;) )
Cause you’d get horrible distortions, vignetting and more unwanted effects. Designing perfect lenses has yet to be done… but feel free to do so. (don’t whine about price tags, look at the 24-70, double that, and you’re close)
I prefer a razor sharp lens over a zoom that compromises quality… if you want reach, throw in a TC and a 100-400, and tape it. GL getting that sharp though. IS is nice, but BiF generally uses high shutter speed anyway (and you get a decent +2 stops from shooting against air, instead of forest)
$2,499 seems more like the regular price in the U.S., even given the exchange rate.
I’ve been thinking of getting the 5D Mark II kit from either Crutchfield or Newegg, both of which charge no tax and no (or very low) shipping fees. Can anyone recommend one of these retailers over the other?
I’d prefer a 200-500 f/2.8-4, but I’d take the 200-400 f/4, especially if it worked really well with a 1.4x TC.
For those interested, the 7D is also on Instant Rebate in Canada. $150 0ff.
The G12 will have a roughly 4/3rds sized (slightly smaller) CMOS sensor with 24-120mm F/2.8-4 lens, improved weather sealing, 100% FoV OVF and control ring similar to the one found on S90. It will be the perfect travel camera!
That’s true, i think…
In my opinion there wont be 5DmkIII in sept, but it is more probable that the 1Ds mkIV will be announced along 24-70 2.8 IS USM
Yes, thats essentially the culprit. I would consider paying the current 100-400’s ~1300€ , but not for this lens’s ancient IS and its reputation for sample variation. But a 100-400 II would probably hit or exceed the 2000€ barrier, and I definitely have better places for that kind of money.
I think I will continue with my 70-200 f4 IS + 1.4x TK for the moment.
Or I might just wait for the price of the 70-200 f2.8 IS II to drop a bit futher, sell the 70-200 f4 IS, get myself a 2x TK, and that way have a fast 70-200 telezoom, and a slow but still good 140-400 telezoom, at least if the rave reviews about the IQ of the 70-200 IS II with 2x TK are close to reality. A number of people say that this combo beats the current 100-400. Hard to imagine, though.
I’d prefer something affordable for mere mortals (or amateurs without a desire to sell excess organs), i.e., improve the 100-400 by uping IQ (and QC), giving it a modern IS unit, hell, maybe even keep the push/pull zoom if it helps to keep the price at or below that of the new Bigmos (50-500 OS). But that would mean 1500€, which would be a mere 15% price increase for a version II lens… so it’s not going to happen. If Canon does something like this, they will be as greedy as ever, and it will end up being close to 2000€.
What makes you think that the G12’s sensor will be any bigger than that of the G11 or G10? And if it really was, the lens you are dreaming of to be found on a G12 would make it quite big and quite pricey.
OK, I’ll concede that the 60D will be a 7D with second curtain sync for about 50% less money.
Happy?
As I said, IS is a must for handheld or monopod shooting.
The 5D Mk II still gives good IQ at ISO 400 (bright daylight) and ISO 800 (not so bright daylight).
Talked to a Canon seller today and asked him if he knew about a 60D was coming. When I asked him that he went up in a big smile and said: “Sorry, I cant tell you about that”
Hehe, what do you think? I think the smile when I asked telled me very much :)
Thank you for the additional information about Canon´s pellix history.
But why hasn´t there been any pellix version of a digital EOS so far?
;-) good one!
Yes, it will give you clues. . .but possibly not the whole story. I haven’t used the 2x with a 200mm f/2.8 fixed. My initial tests on the 2x with the 70-200mm f/2.8 gave me high expectations for the performance with the 300mm f/2.8, and those expectations were NOT met.
If you have a lot riding on the performance of the 2X, you should definitely rent the lens you plan to pair it with before you buy, especially if it’s a pricey one like the 300mm f/2.8.
Glad to hear it. You won’t regret it! I’m loving mine. Shot it all weekend with 15-85 and 70-300. Great results.
What I am implying is that he shouldn’t buy something for this vacation but, rather, should wait and buy something that would be more fulfilling for future vacations (“holidays”). Borrow or rent something now, wait fto buy a camera that will meet your long-term needs.
My guess is the main reason is that the main advantage of the pellix design is the increase in drive speed. The 1nRS increased it’s drive speed to 10fps, which was good in a time when most SLR’s topped out at 5-6fps. But the 1D Mark III and IV (maybe the Mark II also – I never had one) did 10fps right out of the box.
In theory pellix could increase drive speed even more, and the New F-1 version of this camera did 14fps, if I remember right (a whole 36 exposure roll in about 2.5 seconds), but maybe Canon doesn’t see the market for higher then 10fps. I know it’s not the number one feature I clamor for. 8fps on the 7D suits me fine. 10fps would be a touch better, but I don’t see rates higher than that as being particularly desirable. You increase the editing you have to do, fill up your buffer faster, and also need more hard disk space without a commensurate increase in “hits” in my opinion.
Two other advantages of the pellix I would point out would be that you can visually confirm that flashes fired in the viewfinder, and you have a constant view through the viewfinder uninterrupted my the mirror flapping up and down (nice for sports). But I’m not sure these rather modest advantages are worth the cost of 1/2 to 2/3 stop of light transmission to sensor and viewfinder.
The 15-85 is nice and sharp but the vignetting is horrible. -> f6-f8 is a must; so an f4 (assuming f4 is usable) would be a real improvement…
I understand there is significant “sample variation” with the 100-400 and I may have had a relatively poor sample. IS would certainly be preferred in the 400mm f/5.6 fixed, but I found the poor weight balance of the 100-400mm to be at least as much a liability as the lack of IS in on the fixed lens. The zoom is “spongy” in the tripod color, whereas the collar on the 400mm locks it down tight. I happened to be using a tripod most of the time with the zoom, and anytime I touched it to tweak focus, it shifted the composition to an annoying degree, and I’d have to wait a few seconds for it to stop “springing.”
While I haven’t compared the two lenses side by side on the same subject, the AF on the fixed lens seems considerably quicker and surer, and manual focus snaps much better in the viewfinder. Photos taken in comparable situations seem noticeably sharper.
I’m not saying I won’t ever miss IS, but I’m comfortable with the trade off.
And yes, I mostly shoot in fairly bright light and am not afraid to go to 1600 with any of my cameras if it gets a little dim.
I did do testing with the Sigma 1.4x and 2x TCs on the 100-400, and in both cases it gave better results than upscaling from 400. That wasn’t the problem. Have you tried MF with that combination? It’s no fun even if the subject is stationary, forget it if its moving. DoF is too thin for the viewfinder to resolve, so you have to use it in live view. ’nuff said.
Fast AF ability is important to me. I also do a bit of BIF, but the annoying thing is subjects tend to get close at times, hence the desire for the zoom ability. If anything, I also wish the minimum focus distance of the 100-400 is shorter than it is.
For now, the 100-400 is sharp enough. I wouldn’t say no to having more, but range with AF and zoom is more important to me. So if they came up with a say 150-600 f/5.6L with quality at 600 comparable to the 100-400 at 400, I’d probably get it.
Really? My Sigma 100-300/4 was a complete dog at 300mm, wide open. With a 1.4x tc it was even worse, plus it’s performace close to Min Focus distance was pretty poor too.
Maybe He was saying “if canon didn’t go busted first” .. :p
Go with B&H, great retailer.
I too did exactly the same thing. Figuring the 60D when it does come out will be around £1200-1300, I realised there was no point me waiting for the 60D when I wouldn’t be able to afford it for at least another year or so.
So I bought the 50D now for a bargain of £630 and haven’t regretted it for a second. Huge upgrade from my 20D and I really couldn’t care less about video.
if you can get them – over 25% of nikon lenses are out of stock in the US
how do you figure? Any ultra costs 500 and up and the new flash will be 500 when/if it launches
that is 1000 right there and that is for a 3rd party wide…
this is so funny – over on Thom Hogans site and in the stores you have Nikon people always talking about switching due to lack of stock, lack of MP, etc etc
2399
with free shipping at B/H
Canon could stop selling SLR’s and barely feel it – SLR’s are a small part of the business and they are far healthier than the other Camera companies right now
Thanks for the recommendations. The problem with B&H is that I will have to pay sales tax ($284), since I live in New York.
Crutchfield and Newegg don’t seem to charge sales tax for orders to NY and Crutchfield participates in the Discover Card cashback bonus program, which means if I purchase with a Discover card through the Crutchfield link on Discover’s Web site, I should get a 5% cash back bonus ($160) at the end of the year.
Does anyone have any experience (positive or negative) purchasing DSLRs from Crutchfield?
My seller tolf me I should by a 50D, because no one will know when and if the 60d will arrive – and at least it will take 3-6 month to come over to europe for the new model *cry*
Its not funny laugh about someone else pain…
Give up already the long wait for the 60D… 7D is the answer.
Im a fan of flashes.. almost addict.. im sure that i will buy the new Canon Flash, if it has REAR COURTAIN SYNC…
If it hasnt.. i will wait and buy it later when I save a little of money…
The 7D has destroy my economy for months…
Does anyone know Japanese? Is it on the 60d camera? Does anyone dare to translate?
http://cweb.canon.jp/cpc/campaign/campaign04/index.html
Thanx bob.
You mean… キヤノンフォトサークルウェブ 60日無料体験キャンペーン
対象製品をご購入後、お申し込みいただくとキヤノンフォトサークル会員専用サイトを60日間無料にてお楽しみいただけます。
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キヤノンフォトサークルウェブでそんな願いをかなえませんか？
ようこそ、写真の世界へ。
Google translate says:
60-day free trial campaign Kiyanonfotosakuruuebu
After purchasing a product for you can enjoy a free 60-day members-only site Kiyanonfotosakuru When you sign up.
“Feel free to study the photo,” “better take pictures,” “We want to work out a photographer.”
I wish like that Kiyanonfotosakuruuebu Kanaemasen?
Welcome to the world of photography.
so.. unfortunetly this not about 60d ;)
Obviously, you missed that episode of “The Simpsons.”
Thanks…
True, but then they would say buy now wouldn’t they. Its a sad fact that we still don’t know if the 60D is ever really to be more than a rumour no matter how much we hope for it. I was so fed up waiting that i started looking at the FF 5Dmkii but that price is just a no go.
When have you last seen a CR2 rumor here ? Have you ever seen a CR3 rumor here ?
Most of the time, you get rumors along the line of “they’ll upgrade the cheap primes, no ! they’ll upgrade the expensiver primes, and a 5DmkII firmware was released yesterday”.
You’re welcome, Marko.
The 7D is the answer for anyone wanting the 60D to be more than just a 50D with video. With the 7D, Canon have a new platform–and a new price point–for innovation and professional features for APS-C. I cannot see them competing with themselves by releasing a 60D with 7D features.
Think 550D in a 50D body. There is nothing wrong with that if the price is right. If you want more, the 7D is the camera for you.
about the 100-400 rplacement.. why is it always that Canon these days is the follower not the leader anymore… they always wait for Nikon to act first .. then they re-act with a new Canon product..
sure could use a new 100-400is version.. pretty sure the old one is 1998 vintage with the puch-pull zoom… a dinosaur
…a 550D in a 50D body with a new (back-illuminated) sensor… :)
Same procedure as always… Canon never did tell much about their new products… and the rumors on this site became reasonable when the camera was officially announced the day after…
That’s why it’s called canonrumors… :P
Well, you always hope to get some more hints. I understand Canon somehow not telling anything, because they still want to sell the 50d and the competitors should know nothing as well.
But… come on… this waiting just hurts ;-)
60D with an APS-H sensor – Just an idea, but the 550D borrows the 7D sensor, so if the 60D borrowed the 1Dmk4 sensor, this would slightly change the shape of the 60D. Limited to 5fps (1 digic4) this gives you an excellent camera – 16Mpixels that would still be specked less than the 7D in some areas.
starting to think the 60d will never arrive. weren’t we supposed to have an announcement in May?
There has been a price-drop of about 80-100 EUR in Germany the last 3-4 weeks for the 50D. Is somthing happening concerning the 60D?
Sold my 40D this weekend… got some money together from a couple shoots I’ve done… .I have money ready to spend on a new camera… I’m trying to decide whether to wait for a 60D, get the 7D or get a used 5DII … which would then require me to buy all new lenses, and it’s got a horribly slow fps rate, but other than that, it seems like a good option