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Vincent Laforet
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2009/10/19/lights-out-camera-action/
Rob Galbraith
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10044-10310
PDN
http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguide/content_display/news/e3i7d72e67f57c981694a5866b4e6d19841
Samples
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos1dm4/
1D Mark IV Preorders
USA
B&H Photo
Adorama
Amazon USA
Canada
Camera Canada
This is where I preordered mine. Official Canadian pricing isn't available at this time. I predict $5499.
1D Mark IV has been added to price watch page. Not many stores have the camera listed yet, that should change over the next 24 hours.
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Lenses?
sacond
Not Enough. D3S Here I Come.
Well I have to sell my P&S first.
Ouch…a bit of a disappointment I must say.
+10000
Disappointment.. YEP, Here we go Nikon !
Now I can’t wait to spend that $5200 cash lol. Thanks Canon… I Mean Nikon.
Wow. Unbelievable what a piece of crap. A brand new 7D.
Could if have been built with more upgrades …Yes…..did I order it anyway ….Yes …..amazon has it up already
lololol..
couple days ago nikon release a d3s…and i see so many nikon boy dislike the spesification, esp on the d-movie that only do 720p video…=p
now i see the same case with the comment on this thread….
lolololololol… is that mean the many canoners will swith to nikon and nikoners switch to canon?
Excellent wedding/event camera …if you need a low priced fullframe camera wait for the 5D Mark III
if you look at the 7D you know what the next 5D WILL HAVE.for the rest of us the new 1D is beautiful
People Who Want A Full Frame Which Is Most People In My Opinion Will Go To Nikon & The Rest Will Go To Canon.
lol 1ds4 is around the corner
This camera is exactly what I’ve been wishing for. I’ll be getting one as soon as I can.
I Seriously Doubt It. 5DII is still a fine camera and a FF Canon will be arriving shortly.
I just don’t understand WHY canon always put sample image on official that only limit to ISO 500.
On the other BRIGHT side at NIKON. They put sample on official site up to ISO 102400..
little premature?? Lets see image quality and performance first, eh?
+1
Yeah, seems they might have released a little early to compete with the D3s. Usually we get a lens or two with a camera (maybe later today?).
lol, thats why the 1d was not designed for you.
that means that many fanboys are always talk, but when it comes to buying none of them have the cash nor the guts.
Thank god those two companies doesn’t listen to fanboys, or we would of had a professional body with an Interchangable Sensor!
My personal opinion is that the 1d mark IV carries enough upgrades to meet and exceed the demand of its target professional market. Will I buy one ? NO, But I believe that canon’s market share will increase in the upcoming years.
All these people who can’t afford the camera or don’t need it, threatening to switch to Nikon… do you actually own a camera?
:P
The jury is still out on this one. I’m somewhat disappointed with what I’ve read so far. I rushed out to get every 1d since the mark II, and I was all set to do the same with this camera. But after what I’ve read today, I’m holding on to my mark III until this new camera’s been tested out.
Maybe they’ll just switch to NR since they find stuff there exciting, vice-versa. :P
so, i do portraits and evnt. thinking of a 5D mrkII, but could this camera do the job better? as of right now idk what the hell to save for.
HAHA the D3s doesn’t come in hot pink either!
Are you one of those special people that believe anything besides FF is a piece of crap? What’s it like laboring under that much ignorance?
The man who single-handedly launched the 5D Mark II video enthusiasm seems to be quite amazed with the video low light capabilities of the 1D Mark IV.
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2009/10/19/lights-out-camera-action/
So no FF, as predicted. I think my wish for full frame comes partially because I already own a 5d Mark 2 and partially because after the horrible things Canon did with the 50d I no longer trust them to be honest with their ISO performance.
The pixel density on this camera is the same as a 27MP full frame. So at that density 12000 ISO seems like an impossible feat. Let’s hope Canon really has pulled off the impossible and that this Camera matches the low light performance of the D3S (In RAW with zero noise reduction). If it doesn’t I would say Canon has made a strategic error!
Of course this means we are going to see a 30MP+ 1ds Mark 4. That will be fun!!
Hey, Canon give us some female starlet like anybody else. Will Canon give 7D iso50 options as well?
what else can you expect from a canon ambassador
I was expecting a few more features, especially in the video department.
However I suppose the 1D is more about workhorse performance, than bells and whistles.
If the image quality and the autofocus is up to par, this should be a very nice body indeed.
+1000
If the new sensor is really as good as Vincent claims, that’s good news all around. Don’t forget the picture quality is the most important.
However, I can’t help to be disappointed. Had looked forward to 12 fps, wireless flash, and some of the other features from the 7D.
Will be waiting for some independent reviews before forking out the $$$ for this one.
Already waiting for a firmware upgrade.
Whats the problem with the:
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Sample 5 [Butterfly]
File Name: 005.jpg
Tv (Shutter Speed): 1/400 sec
Av (Aperture Value): f/8.0
ISO Speed: ISO3200
Lens: EF100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM
White Balance: AWB
Picture Style: Standard
ISO speed is based on recommended exposure index.
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Or is ISO 3200 less bright than ISO 500 in you’r opinion?
Just wait till the real reviews?
Holy crap why do people keep analyzing it compared to older cameras?
Technology moves forward. While we don’t know what the end product is , it’s totally feasible that canon has been able to push more out of a pixel than in the past.
Lol comparing two cameras that not one real review has been out yet.
Please post a picture of you actually buying on of these cameras when the time comes.
ignorance is bliss to these people heavybarrel :) don’t let it bother you.
I’m fully convinced 99% of these people who talk about doing nikon never have even bout a camera in the pro line’s of either company
I’d stick with the 5d II.
Unless you are shooting sports or high speed events the 5d II is more than enough for you. It’s a wonderful camera.
I See Another Canon Low Life Was To Like Me Lol. However If You Sell Your P&S You Wont Have Anything Left. Better Sell The House Instead.
Wanted wireless flash too but not sure how they would do it without a popup flash that neither canon nor nikon has in their pro lines (would compromise weather sealing some too).
Good point about the sensor
Right now everyone is obsessed with pixel size like that is the end all. It’s not like you can’t improve the receptors in the pixels themselves. Advancement of technology people.
Even for you Nikon fans how come the D3s’s iso is so much better than the D3 when it’s the same sensor essentially? Why does the D3x handle IQ at high ISO’s better than the Sony A900 (Same sensor btw since Nikon buys it’s sensors from Sony) ? It’s not just all about the pixel size!
I Bet The 1D Mark IV Will Just For You Douche.
yeh your right on that, most of people here don’t buy Pro DSLR. I’m buying it, but not now, maybe when it hit $3500. just got my 7D. my wife is using it along with her 450D,the only DSLR left with me is my 40D thats why i need another pro with video like my 7D. sold my 5D a year ago
+1
+100000000000000000000000
Get Off His Nutts!!!!!
I am open to the possibility that this camera performs as well in low light as the Nikon D3s.
But since the 50d I just don’t fully trust Canon anymore. They claimed the 50d was 2 stops better than the 40d and it was worse!!! Worse when you shoot in RAW with noise reduction off. I hate the look of noise reduction so this is always the way I would shoot!
32MP to be exact
good for me, i didn’t sell my wireless commander along with my 5D. the bad thing is i sold my 70-200 2.8 2 months ago and the MKII of that lens was not announce yet. Canon whrere’s my 70-200 2.8 IS II?
+2
ces 2010 for lenses.
I know that at least I am waiting for the 5d mk iii 24-70 2.8 is and 70-200 2.8 is mk ii. I try to save as much cash as possible for this
looking at the specs of the new released canon 1d mark iv i tend to believe that a 1ds mark iv is around the corner with a higher price of coarse
i am happy to see that some else is sharing my views
for what you need chose a 50d or a 7d instead of the 1d mk iv and save your bucks for latter
exactly. he is actually payed to say that
Another cropper – big disappointment.
As for AI Servo II, Canon says “AI Servo AF uses a form of Artificial Intelligence (AI) to determine the speed and direction of moving subjects…”
I don’t know but I predict this is going to be another camera with an AF mind of its own!
the iso 50 on the 1d mark iv is like the 100 on the 7d. You can use it only in some circumstances when some options are not selected. So no, we will not see a iso 50 on the 7d
Guys guys guys.. If the 1D Mark IV is on par with the d3s, or even better, when it comes to High ISO performance.. that means the 1Ds will totally obliterate all competition.
Because the 1D mark IV is a APS-H sensor body and the d3s is full frame! Maybe Canon is saving the best for their FF body (1Ds)?
I agree. The 1Ds will be awsome, except what I need most: Shutter speed.
Actually, Nikon claims that despite the same sensor size, the D3 and the D3s have different sensors.
It almost seems like Canon rushed into it. Left all the great features of the 7D out like the buttons/menus/electronic level.
Too bad. Sometimes in a shining day, the shutter speed will be well over 1/250s making my flash system useless. A iso50 will help a little or smaller aperture, but the latter is not really an option in some cases.
I am only a hobbist, ignor me.
too expensive + not FF ? i am going to Nikon
my flash is a nissin so it does not have fast sync capabilities and it happens the same with me. So I understand you. You could get an ND filter. They are in different stops, but also you can purchase them as a kit. I used that while I was in Egypt; The light there is blinding
you can say that again
Me too. Just expected at least 11 fps. But I’ll not bother too much about that.
This is a release info price. I believe that when it hit the shleves will be at least $700 lower.
Lets see how canon will manage a 32MP Sensor. :)
I found the electronic level to be a gimmick.. I’d rather use a bubble level. I would have liked to see the Video/LV button though, that thing is pretty handy.
Dont let the door hit you on the way out –
Enjoy your Nikon – feel free to leave the canon website now. Goodbye!
I know this sounds crazy and I’m pretty sure it will be a stable workhorse, but it just doesn’t have all the the ‘wow’ gimmicks carried over from the 7D. Quite frankly, we expected that.
GOOD – Stop posting about canon cameras then, Stop crying like a little girl and leave ! GOODBYE!
a picture of 102400 ISO wouldnt have hurt anyone… actually it should have been there, they are promoting it as a main feature…
LOL! exactly
maybe d3s and 1dIV get the same image quality, wait for reviews! then start trash talking
I bet both are quite expectant on seeing which is best seller, the 1D4 or the D3s.
1D4: fullHD
crop frame aps-h
iso 102400
16MP
D3s: video at 720p
full frame
iso 102400
10MP
I have mmy doubts but i think canon seems to excel here, as if the IQ are similar the extra 6MP might be needed for many PJ.
P.S. I have a 7D and will not buy a pro series, so Im just thinking out loud, I am not a PJ so their needs might be different as I think
I was expecting them too… its kinda wierd they didnt put the Q button, the live view dedicated button, the electronic level.
Just a thought:
Shouldnt they put a pop up flush in these together with the speedlight controlling system for quick jobs that have no available set up time?
I bet some people would find it a good add on…
D3s is 12mp
I think most pros using these cameras prefer the enhanced weather sealing over a pop up flash. I certainly do. Besides, popping the st-e2 on top really doesn’t take a lot of time.
And a lower frame rate. I just wish Canon would make a FF camera with a decent frame rate. Right now, if you want a decent frame rate, your only Canon options are crop cameras.
Why do you capitalize every word?
+1DDDDDDDDDDDDD
true, but he does do legitimately awesome work with canon products. so it’s not just some schmuck mouthing off, it’s a pro riding the pinnacle of his career and happily maximizing his output with Canon product.
to me, that’s legit.
every manufacturer has had slip-ups in the past. ultimately, is it worth flip-flopping systems every generation, or do you stick to your guns and work with your still-excellent tools. I won’t debate the 50D/40D thing with you, but honestly, nobody was forcing you to upgrade — plenty of guys still shooting with 40Ds, or even 30Ds, and I know more than a few still using a 20D as a backup unit.
honestly, if you feel betrayed by Canon over the fact that the 50D did not offer a 2 stop improvement over 40D (which I am curious as to where you got that figure, as it would be ridiculous to expect a 2 stop gain in an APS-C sensor while gaining 5 MP over just one generation), it seems you’re one of those customers whose expectations will never be satisfied.
enjoy your 3DS
Daniel’s exactly right — if you’re serious about slowing down shots in broad daylight, an excellent investment are the B+W Neutral Density (not graduated neutral density) filters.
never bet on the market with equipment you need.
I am surprised that the Q button can’t wake up the 7D in sleeping mode.
+1. 1DsMkIV and 5DMkIII are going to be mindblowing.
I’d rather Canon sort out the heavy duty stuff like 720/60 and 1080/24,25 rather than integrating an electronic level — you’re correct in that, yeah it’d be nice. but 1D series stuff isn’t about the frills, its about just straight up doing a job really well
poster’s reading ability leaves some doubt as to what year of grade school OP is in.
“apsc_no_thank_you” … by the way man, it’s an APS-H.
not too familiar with Canon product are you?
Ronald, I think you nailed it on the head yourself when you said it’s a “stable workhorse” … I know we were all hoping for some bling but if it will be solid and dependable that’s all we really need.
there is a possibility Canon was ready to integrate that software if they were allowed to push a Spring 2010 release date, but the fall release of the 3DS forced their hand into release a core-fundamentals version of the 1DMkIV
+1. full and fully dependable weather sealing on the 1D series is tantamount. convenience of a pop-up flash is negligible, especially as the camera is large enough that throwing a ST-E2 or even a 580 series on top is not a real hassle
Wow, never have I seen so much early release 1D bashing! There aren’t even any proper samples out yet :S And the D3S is less of an improvement on the D3 as this is on the mark III.
Lets wait for some samples, im sure it’ll be a cracker.
Ooops sorry yeah 12!
yeah probably right…
I forgot weather sealing factor…
Unfortunately they have a computer…
workhorse performance?
1d mk IV is equipped with dual Digic IV like the 7D, so I am expecting the same overheating issues in video mode.
does it make sense?
repeat: i m not a canon supporter, i m a photographer.
my future is nikon
Ever use a 1d3? or 1.3 crop cam?
The 7d is a great camera :) enjoy it
rofl
It’s the same sensor.
Sony makes the sensors for both the d3, d3s and d3x. They might have put optimizations in it but that’s my whole point.
Sensor size and pixel size almost if not exactly the same. IQ and ISO performance vastly different.
Sony makes the D3x sensor but, as far as I know, Nikon won’t say who makes the D3 and D3s sensors.
The guy probably still shooting with a d40 :)
Who would pay $5500 canadian for a camera that sells for US $4000? the Canadian dollars is pretty much at par wit the US dollar. Who comes up with pricing? Canadian store won’t be selling many at this price!
Then why are you here? :P
As a photographer I’m taking great pics with my 5d II. As I took great pics with my 1ds II and 1d III and 40d. Heck I’ve used a d700 a d40 and a old Nikon F401 to take great pics as a photographer too.
You’re judging a camera before any review samples or REAL world pictures are out? Why would a photographer who only cares about the photos do that?
We should start a petition about it.
Same with the 7D
1699 in the states 2099 in Canada
I understand your point but it cost 4999 here in the US.
ISO 100 works fine on the 7D.
The only time it won’t do ISO 100 is if you turn on highlight tone priority, which just underexposes the shot by a stop then boosts it back using a custom tone curve in DPP. So it *has* to limit ISO to 200 in order to underexpose at 100.
A lot of PJ’s switched to the canon 1d series in the past because of IQ and…… lesser crop!!!(1.3 versus 1.5) Now it’s the other way around i’m afraid. Not every canon user is a sports shooter. To a lot of PJ’s FF must be a big plus. the 5dII is not an option because of the AF system, the 1ds series is at another price point and not everybody needs the pixel count of >16mp… There is a gap in canon’s line-up. I hope they fix it soon. I still shoot a 1ds II and a 5d (mk I) , because every FF canon since then dissapointed me. I hope they stop the pixel race and make a real good pro FF <16 mp.
Ok regardless of all of this the point is.
Same pixel size same sensor size. Different ISO and IQ
People seem to overlook this all the time because to them FF is the end all for being able to take good photographs.
Not so long ago, Canon introduced a camera called a 7D. I was really suprised to see all the improvement made to the previous generation of camera in this 7D. Let’s recap a few :
3D Color metering
Horizontal and Vertical axis helper
Dual Digic
Flash controler
New viewfinder display methode using LCD overlay
New Double Cross type AF sensor for the center point.
Dedicated video/photo button
M.Fn customisable button
I couldnt wait for the next 1D because it would most certainly have some of these feature. Granted the flash controler feature could not be put in the new 1D because it doesnt have any flash and also granted that the 1D has Dual Digic too of course… DDIV? No DDV?
I have a 1DMKII… That I have abused quite a lot and it never let me down. I like this camera very much because at the time, 5 1/2 years ago, it was the best all around camera you could have. Perfect for any type of photography you were doing.
I feel that with the MKIV, Canon has shifted this camera to a dedicated Sport photographer cathegory… Like if no photo-journalist, law enforcement agencies or events photographer are using this camera. For those who need a 1 serie body because of the durability, endurance and precision, in fields outside “sport photography” this new MKIV is a bit of a let down.
Canon has the technology to make a much better camera than this, and it goes further than the sensor size only.
16mp is fine for most type of photography. Like MKII’s 8mp at the time.
FF with crop would have been better, because… not only SP use this camera…
The new 45 – 39 cross system looks interesting. But no Double-cross like the 7D. But… if they can put cross AF point near the edge of the AF elipse now, i bet they could put standard line AF point outside the elipse to make the AF area bigger.
Including the new metering system would have been great…
Including also new button for video could have made things easier for those who needs.
I was about to preorder this camera the day it was announce because 1) my MKII is getting old and 2) because I tought, after the 7D, the new MKIV would be a revolution more the a simple evolution. Canon has dedicated this camera to the sport market, I hope for them they can sell enough…
I’ll wait, for now. See what the review say. No doubt that this new MKIV is better than my MKII but 5000$ is a lot of money when compared to the 7D. And no, I will not buy a 7D, it will not last 6 months in my hands. If the next 1Ds is the same as the 1D + FF and 2x the resolution, I think Canon will just have wasted a 3 years cycle. To me it looks like both the 1D and 7D design team did not even set a meeting to discuss what features they were planning… To bad…
To owners of a MKIII, is the new MKIV a revolution or an evolution. And is it enough to make you switch?
Take care all emoticon – smile
C
I’ve bought multiple, and I’m all but ready jump ship…
“The D3S uses a newly developed image sensor, which has been refined from the D3 to further minimize noise generated by the amplified signals.”
refined from the D3
In my opinion, it looks like Canon was a bit rushed by Nikon. There have been rumors about the ‘lord of darkness’ and it is probably the first rumors about the MkIV. Canon was improving their sensor, but as Nikon was doing the same, Canon was forced to have advanced their announcement.
This could explain the lack of rumors/leaks, the lake of new lens along the body, the lack of the latest goodies from the 7d (I guess some of them could be useful for pro also).
Yep, Canon has some nice sensor, but Nikon also and they were not able to put everything they wanted to due to time.
Anyway, it is not my league …
best,
M
Yep, i agree on that! And it could explain the lack of leaks, no new lens. Canon has a nice new sensor and they wanted to put nice goodies with it, but Nikon was announcing their D3s, so they just announced the mkIV with what they had ready. That may lead to a mkIVn at some point (at least if the mkIVs has all the goodies).
M
As usual, canon’s marketing team decides the product features. And there is an evil called product segmentation, which plays a major role in canon cameras
In regards to flash master, 3d color metering, lcd overlay in viewfinder were existing since 2007 in body called D300.
Guess what, still canon feels that having more than 3 AEB and autofocus linked spot meter are pro-features and it will be “too much” for a $1700 body.
1DMkII. Ever used a FF DSLR? Compared the image quality of that with a crop camera?
…….aggggggg !!!! 1ds Digic V or Nikon….. no way out….
“I feel that with the MKIV, Canon has shifted this camera to a dedicated Sport photographer cathegory… Like if no photo-journalist, law enforcement agencies or events photographer are using this camera. For those who need a 1 serie body because of the durability, endurance and precision, in fields outside “sport photography” this new MKIV is a bit of a let down.”
+1
Love the ISO push. Love the 1D body. Love the 16mp. Actually there is very little I don’t love about this cam.
Why are people bashin this?
It’s freaking amazing!
So glad about the higher ISO and the automatic orientation for focus points. Just preordered one.
I have a 5d II and had a 1ds II. And just sold a 1d III getting ready for this release.
For almost all the work I’ve done the 1d III was more than enough (except sometimes with mp). IQ wise it was great. That wasn’t one of the things people complained about the 1d III
If you are comparing your 1d II to today’s FF cameras I wouldn’t doubt there be a huge difference.
Why is the smaller 7d sensor 18mp and the 1d larger sensor 16mp??Seems backwards
Of course if canon put all of it’s knowledge into building the perfect full frame camera right now it would be amazing and the IQ would be tops.
But how much do you need for your work? and how much are you willing to pay?
If the 1d4 already satisfies everything that you need and more what is wrong with the camera?
this is booooooooooring!!! 5K for that small upgrade???
who thinks this will be a HOT seller?
I feel the same, they either just love to bash in general, or they should understand that the 1D4 just isn’t for them! I won’t be upgrading, and love to shoot FF. However, the 1D4 will serve its purpose to those who need it.
It does, however, come down to people wanting FF or not!
as far as MP is concerned, I am excited to see what the 1Ds4 will bring.
What exactly is not in the MKIV that an event photographer, pj, and law enforcement that makes it unfit for those purposes. Esp when you say the 1d II with the same crop factor was the perfect camera in the past?
While I think you are right about the announcement rush because of Nikon (eventhough the D3s was a huge letdown to me.. hey i’m a gearhead and I just like seeing advancements and the more one company advances the more it pushes the other company to). I’m not sure what it is about this camera that people don’t like?
They bash the IQ without even considering the facts that there have been advances in technology since the 1d III was released. It’s not like they are using the exact same sensor and just squishing more mp in it. Not only that but there has not been even one batch of real world shots taken from the camera released to the public.
It’s like everyone thinks they are engineers and experts in sensor technology just because they can do some simple division to calculate size of the receptors.
5000 $ !!!!!!!!!!
Nooooooooooooo thanksssssss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since most of my photography is in low light situations, I’m excited about it. Though it will be some time before I can justify the expense.
Why are you even looking at the top of the line pro cams if you can’t pay 5k?
do you really take them seriously? ..lol
At the time, the 1DMKII was the perfect compromise. Price vs Features.
The 1Ds (at the time) was 12mp only. ISO performance was not that good and even worst in the original 1D. The 1DII offered a good, strong and fast camera to work with. So many people, not only sport photog jumped on it because of it’s versatility.
Today I’m not debating FF vs APS-H. I would have prefered a FF sensor with a 1.3 crop for faster FPS but I can live without it. What I think Canon missed here is an opportunity to offer a camera that can please more people than just the sport photog class.
One way to do this would have been to add the new feature developed for the 7D inside the new MKIV. To me, it doesnt make sense that these feature are not there. The 1DIV may NOT be a landscape photog best friend because it has “only” 16mp so it’s not the best tool today for this type of photography. But at one point in time, the 16mp of the 1DsII was THE most amazing thing on earth for studios and landscape.
You see my point? Canon turned this camera into a sport photog dream come true. Killer AF, High ISO to get fast shutter speed in low light. But many other people, including me, would have liked this camera to be less dedicated and a bit more open to other type of photography. FF is an exemple, Horizon Assist is another and new button configuration to help the video guys is another.
All of which, would have made me preorder right away. But now, even if the MKIV AF and Low Light performance is STELLAR compared to my MKII, there is not much left there to help me ditch my MKII… Especially for 5000$
If D3s is $5,2k, then 1D4 should cost no more than $3,5k.
Not really.
To me those are all frill type of features.
For landscape photogs who need FF what is wrong with the 5d II? and if 12-16 mp was good enough during the 5d and 1ds II days it’s good enough today (Of course people could always want more but need is totally a different thing)
For the dedicated start stop button.. Currently after all my changes I have a 5d II and a 7d. While the start stop button is cool. It really hasn’t changed anything…
Where before I push the live view button and then push the set
Now I click the switch over and then push the start.
IMHO Everything offered by the 1d IV as it is right now makes it a camera that fits almost any type of photography (except maybe the dedicated landscape that has to have the 4.8 mm extra wide in the 16-35 etc). But the funny thing is… I don’t see any of those landscape photographers on this forum complaining… So i’m thinking they either are fine with the specs or have another camera in Canon’s lineup that works perfectly for them.
BTW in your situation where you love your 1d II already and don’t see it worth to spend 5k to get a new camera with these features I totally understand. I was able to use my friend’s 1d II in the past and I think it was and still is a great camera.
ugh i should type everything before i push submit.
The new metering not being included does make me wonder some. For the AF system I’m sure they put everything they needed into it to make sure it was the best it could be. There is no way i think Canon would let the AF be sub par. I could be proven wrong when the actual real world results are out though.
for the same price you can have more with nikon. Not only for FF sensor, but also for the missing second joystick. No new low pass filter!! no new command on body. i can t believe… i m here because i worked with canon for time… but my time here is finished.
bye
Lenses? what about lenses?
NEWS PLEASE!!!!!
Well, I pre-ordered it on Amazon last night. I have a 1D Mark III and a 1Ds Mark III now (with Canon 85mm 1.2 Mark II L, 35mm 1.4 L and the unbelievable Canon 200m f/2 IS L, which produces RAW images with them that look like they’ve already been sharpened and adjusted. I can only salivate at the thought of improvements over that! AND 1080p video in ultra-low-light. I mean, I’m sorry, but how is all that not amazing ? D3s has 720p. This is like a Red Sox forum, a good percentage of people whine and moan out of habit. What, they didn’t shut out every game in the World Series ? I’m going to the Yankees.
I like the smaller sensor on one of my bodies, with the extra speed. 10 fps…why’d anyone want more ? There is a higher framerate in it of course, it’s called video :D
$5000 is standard pricing, besides, after the first couple of months of people scrambling for it, it’ll be $4500 on Amazon, no sales tax. Not to mention that I’m buying it with Euros (live in California), now that’s a sweet deal.
Well for now until the review come up, i’ll stick to my 1DII. Then, maybe the next 1Ds will have a 1.3 or 1.5 crop mode allowing it to reach 10fps. If that’s the case, the choice will be clear, even if much more expensive.
That’s why your name is El Loco.
Stupid analysis…everything that you don’t like it’s because of being rushed ?..dumb…
I want to see how good is high iso performance with this camera! This is all matters to me!!
WOW ISO 102400 looks disgusting!!! 51,200 not too shabby though.
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/digitalcameras/0,39001468,45095238p,00.htm
Canon is probably holding back for the D4, given the D3s was a minor update, they basically did just enough to top the D3s in MP and video, the rest seems pretty even from specs.
For myself, this just made my next cam the 7D. I can’t see spending $5000 for what the 1D4 gives and for a crop I prefer the 1.6 and 8 FPS is fine. So I’ll save myself $3300, buy the 7D, and wait and see what the 1Ds4 holds…
oh, and for all those people out there claiming it was gonna be the Mark V because of language voodoo around the number 4, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Had Canon made all those 1D4 specs in a FF body they could claim the “king” of DLSR title, now they’ve just me wonder why I should spend an extra $3300 over the 7D to get a crop camera, 8 FPS vs. 10 FPS is not worth $3300 imo. Besides If I’m gonna crop, I like 1.6 better than 1.3, and I can buy a 10-22mm for wide stuff, can’t even do that on a 1D4.
second that
More likely they held back just enough to say they topped the D3s in MP and video, they’re waiting until the D4 comes out.
Want to work in Europe for a few years and move back to US and be rich.
I personally don’t care, i won’t buy one, I don’t have the money for. Just that it is surprising not to see the latest Canon features in the latest Canon pro body. And the only explanation I see is rush?
What are your intelligent reasons for not putting axis helper, viewfinder display using LCD overlay, dedicated video/photo button, customizable buttons like 7D?
If the mk4s will get those, i think i might have been right. We will see …
so you dont believe this was a rush game? even 5d mkII was rushed to the market, reason for missing manual controls in the initial release. If you dont believe this, read in cinema5d forums how those guys made canon to pull the reference to manual controls in their own white paper. but that happened only after going to the extent of lawsuit.
Luvvit when nikon lights the fire under canon’s a$$
well, I guess as for now, canon wants to make sure AF is flawless. that is the hightest priority due to bad pr. and I salute RG for making a company as big as Canon to accept the problem in their product.
Exactly! People who moan about camera features and complaining about the price is simply because they can’t pay for it or can’t determine the price to pay for it. I remember when I still had a 400D, I was telling people that 400D will suffice and I won’t need the expensive 5D. But after a year or so, I upgraded to 5DII and I’m loving it even if I have to pay a lot of it. People should just stop talking and do the save up to get the camera. I am pretty sure once they get a hold of the camera, they will praise it. Unlike pro who just complain based on real problem after they’ve been using it for while but not for the money they paid for it. Too many people complain about the price and features simply just by reading the specs and don’t have the money. Like 1DMkIV, it’s not even really out yet. Should they have one of those, I’m sure they will brag about it and say it’s the best camera in the whole world. It’s denial!
I saw those shots in the pre production camera too. However, they just barely removed the crappy 102k ISO images and will upload new images with a production camera soon they say.
you can use 10-22 in EF mount, just replace the plastic mount of 10-22 with metal mount EF lens. but you can’t go 10, limit it to 12. 12 x 1.3 = 15.6 while 10 x 1.6 = 16, which is wider?
yeh the 7D was great, lucky me, i didn’t got those with ghosting problem 7D’s
they got a dual core processor computer, not even the new i7. lol….
yeh you’re right, i thought canon will release the MK II because nikon has it. my bad..
lol…
you’re probably right on that, maybee i’ll wait for MK IVn. or maybe they will add it in production. always take note that at the bottom of the canon specs list they always put “specs may change without prior notice” lets hope on that.
they removed the images
later dude! good riddance!
Yes, it is well equipped to be a great sports camera. Canon is a sponsor of the Olympics and this camera will be create a great tie-in, marketing wise. The body is solid and the specs look great so I’m not sure why so many negative comments.
As a former Nikon D3 user, I can say this, I would not be tempted in the least to upgrade to a D3s, Nikon’s ninth 12MP DSLR camera. In Canon’s case I see significant improvements and new technologies over the Mark 3. Put me down for 1.
Agree
if AF don’t work = Company Closed.
Actually I mean DSLR Department not Canon corp.
Sure that would be nice, my post was just to tell that canon HAS released a picture in higher ISO than 500…
Nobody ‘worried’ about (1.3x) more depth of field with video
where 1.0 will be prefered?
As far as all real world measurements go that I can think of, the 5dII already obliterates the noise performance of the 12 mp Nikon, and that’s nearly 2 times the pixel density, not to mention the 5dII is just an improved 1dsII sensor so a completely new design is probably going to really embarrass Nikon low noise.
I think the one mistake people make when comparing noise in the 5dII and d3/d700/d3s is that if you compare both files at 100% your looking at a much smaller bit of subject matter on the 5dII, and yes at 100% the 5dII is a little noisier, but crop them both to the same subject size/field of view and the 5dII wins hands down every time.
It got none of those things because they would compromise what the camera is.
Its designed for Pro’s , they dont change the buttons because the layout is familiar , the journalists using them will likely have a MkIII and/or a 1Ds III with a different lens on all being used on the same shoot, the LAST thing they want is different configurations for each camera they ar eusing. This is why the D3/D3s iterations have no interface changes either.
It has no digital level, because you cant have interchangable focus screens with the digital overlay.
For the pros, this is a no-no.
Understand what the camera is for, and you see why its exactly as it is.
There is a half stop difference between the two formats dof.
So no.
NO FF >>> 1.3 CROP.
NO DIGIC V >>> DIGIC IV
5K ? NO THANK !!!!
SIMPLE!!!!
“Nobody ‘worried’ about (1.3x) more depth of field with video
where 1.0 will be prefered?”
As opposed to what – Nikon’s “high definition” 720? If anyone is actually buying a DSLR primarily for its video capabilities I see no reason why Nikon would be a preferred option.
You forgot a zero…
Not especially Nikon, But comparing with 5DII for example
And yes, I would buy this for video only, but only with 25fps
Im happy my my equipment for stills
So..its a choice:
wait a few months for 25Fps 5DII or
buy this thingie with a liiiittle more depth of field
and less wideangle with current lenses.
Or become a gardener and forget about making images..
Or buy a dedicated video camera if you are such a pro.
thanks for your helpful and grown up remark
but I have two already
Thanks for your sensible and constructive response.
The Thingie Part Is Hilarious
I should have saved them to do a before and after production… I could do with the 51200 black and white though.
Here is a link to the best examples of many ISO sample photos for the Mark IV. I have saved some of them and will see how the high ISO files clean up with Noise Ninja.
http://dpinterface.com/review-galleries/canon-eos-1d-mark-iv-preview-gallery/
After processing the set of photos with the books and bird, I concluded that 102400 was stretching things. 51200 and 25600 could be used for 4 X 6 prints. 12800 and lower ISO are great after NN.
^ didnt get the joke
Saves you some extra money for some good glass too :)
If you are buying it for video only I don’t see any reason why you don’t just go ahead with the 5d2?
What isn’t in that camera that you were hoping to be in this one? 24/25p will be added soon enough.
waiting for an updated 70-200 2.8 IS II :)
The difference between 15.6 and 16mm is not the issue. 1D4 is not enough improvement over the 7D, to me, to justify the extra money. Not gonna spend $5000 on a crop sensor camera when I get something close for $1700. Had it been FF at those specs, I would have gone with the 1D4.
It’s not the $5000 that stops some of us from buying it, it’s what you get for it. I’d have spent $5000 on it if it was full frame at those specs. Not paying 5 grand for a crop camera when I get can a 7D 1.6 crop 18 MP 8 FPS for $3300 less.
That’s such a lame tired responce, michal…video camcorders SUCK, DSLR Canon video rules. Get used to it.
To W:
I know, but ‘somewhere’ in 2010 is pretty uncertain
and Im going to burn my fingers with 30Fpswhen I buy it now.
I even want to wait for a Nikon 25Fps fullHD which is rumoured, but honestly I dont trust the compression.
Also: +5K (Euros) is a bit expensive when used for its video capabilities only (I shoot stills with Nikon)
Somebody knows the maximum clip length on this camera yet?
Thx regards
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