From inside the 1D Mark IV 1.0.6 Firmware
52b2b6 [GYO]CameraModleID = K252 = 500d
52b2d6 [GYO]CameraModleID = K215 = 1ds 3
52b2f2 [GYO]CameraModleID = K169 = 1d m3
52b30e [GYO]CameraModleID = K176 = 450d
52b32a [GYO]CameraModleID = K190 = 40d
52b346 [GYO]CameraModleID = K218 = 5d m2
52b362 [GYO]CameraModleID = K250 = 7d
52b56e [GYO]CameraModleID = K270 = unknown!!!
52b58a [GYO]CameraModleID = K261 = 50d
52b5a6 [GYO]CameraModleID = K281 = 1d m4
52b5c2 [GYO]CameraModleID = K287 = unknown !!!
52b5de [GYO]CameraModleID = K254 = 1000d
52b5fa [GYO]CameraModleID = OTHER
Model ID’s are from http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca.
I’m literally pulled over other side of the road making this post. I haven’t had time to check this info out. Have at her.
Isn’t USB internet great? The iPad would have actually been handy right now. :)
thanks ARM
cr
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3D
Well, maybe 550D/2000D and 60D.
Fits great, regarding the upcoming february announcement.
Likely 1Dsmk4 and 60D or 60D and new Rebel.
Let’s not get carried away with wishes for a 3D. There really isn’t any fit for a 3D in the current lineup.
agreed. 1dsMk4 and 60D
i wish they’d hurry up with this. i am ready to get a new camera. either give me a 550d or 60d that is the 7d high-iso sensor without the weathersealing/speed/af/extended video options i don’t need, or a 24-70mm 2.8/L with IS so i can get the 5dmk2. (i do concert photography)
everybody on here acts like they’re a product line manager and say with heavy-handed authority, “no, no need for that! that doesn’t fit in the line-up!” when i can tell you the gap that canon has right now that means that my dinero has stayed in my wallet. come on canon, get off your arse!
If they have such good new SLR’s to release, why not at PMA ?? doesn’t make much sense.
it is the 550D.
Why?
Cos my friend in the industry is testing the prototype, comes with 18-200 kit lens.
But that’s about all i can say if not i will get him into trouble.
you’ve posted a couple times that they’re going to be announcing 2 new models in feb, so why does this qualify as such a big surprise? (that it ‘confirms’ your previous posts?)
Right
BOOM! Freaking A right on! As you say, There is absolutely a gap that needs a 3D to fill. I’ve sent back the 5DMII and canceled order on my 1DMIV because of the gap! I need a 3D and/or a 24-70 2.8 IS before a buy dittly squat again from Canon!
shut up idiot..
I completely disagree….there is very much room for a 3D….a wedding and events pro camera….
18mp FF
8 FPS
small 5D size body for lighter weight
full pro weather seals
Pro 48 AF point
Super clean high ISO like the the new Nikon D3s
Option wireless grip for sending photos as you shoot to an assistant
PS I will never buy either of the 1D bodies do to their size and weight….at this point Canon does not make a camera for me…the closest is a Nikon D700…and I am currently holding out for the next version of it….in the mean time I use my current camera and work around the issues….but I would rather not have to.
How can anyone NEED a 3D until we know what a 3D is and will do?
why such a big surprise? because it confirms a canon rumors rumor! ;)
I agree, this just in…. Canon is still making new cameras. Not really all that surprising to me! I’ll wait for more in depth news about the upcoming 1ds mark 4. But, as a side note, keep up the good work canon rumors! ;)
dream on, mate
maybe an FF 7D … ;-)
Unknown yeah but we can speculate during hours until we see what it is :=)
those codes are not on that page now.
When the products are ready why wait another 6 months and lose 6 months of potential sales?
Canon will not be there last I heard.
+10
Canon resorted to 21mp 5D mark II to avoid giving out the same camera you are asking for.
If canon version of D700 was launched in 2008, do you think they can still sell 1D Mark 4 for 5k in 2010 ?
World ends if canon brings 45 point autofocus and pro weather seals to 5d class body.
unlikely to me that university phil knows new canon codes for his utilility. PLace markers yes, but then i’d expect many more for the years to come….
52b362 [GYO]CameraModleID = K250 = 7d
52b56e [GYO]CameraModleID = K270 = unknown!!!
52b5xx [GYO]CameraModleID = K271 = unknown!!!
52b5xx [GYO]CameraModleID = K272 = unknown!!!
52b5xx [GYO]CameraModleID = K273 = unknown!!! etc
52b58a [GYO]CameraModleID = K261 = 50d
52b5a6 [GYO]CameraModleID = K281 = 1d m4
52b5c2 [GYO]CameraModleID = K287 = unknown !!!
52b5de [GYO]CameraModleID = K254 = 1000d
I can tell you with information i have received from close to some source. Canon will release new DSLRS.
I quite agree. I’ve got a 400D that I’ve outgrown. I don’t need full frame. I don’t want video. I won’t really make use of. I want large, clean, bright images with a minimum of noise at a decent print size. I don’t want to have to spend more than £1000. Somewhere between the 500D, the 50D and the 7D is my camera. My money is ready, just gimme the camera!
Please let it be a camera for wedding photographers.
I’m craving for one.
First I did not set a price.
Second, I’m not going to buy a 1D4 or a 1Ds3 or it’s replacement do to body size and weight, note….I again did not set a price….so if Canon wants my money….they need to made a product I want to buy…again note I did not state a price…..price for me is not the question…..the question is Canon ever going to make a camera body for ME.
Please note…..I am willing to trade MP for high ISO….I am willing to trade MP for FPS.
Why are you so sure Canon won’t introduce it? What about the History? Canon had EOS 5, and EOS 1, and they’ve introduced EOS 3, that was reeelly close to EOS 1V
sorry, not for you, it was for the “ser”
Why are you so sure Canon won’t introduce it? What about the History? Canon had EOS 5, and EOS 1, and they’ve introduced EOS 3, that was reeelly close to EOS-1V
EOS 3 did not kill EOS 1V
I never said you set the price.
I meant to say that canon did not want to compete with D700 by offering pro autofocus and pro built at $2500 price bracket.
In canon’s book, if you want pro autofocus and pro build, be ready to spend 5K, which is totally ridiculous. But hey its canon.
Depends what you are considering pro autofocus.. BTW most people who want it wouldn’t even take advantage of a 45 point autofocus.
Exactly..
Specs are super speculation based on what? There isn’t even a previous version that you can base it on. It’s only what a few determine they must have to take good pictures.
If one of the best wedding photographers in the world (Ascough) can use 5d II what is it about it that makes you not be able to use it for weddings?
Doesn’t matter whether people use 45 points are not. as per canon, 1D autofocus is pro autofocus.
well, if 5D mark had 45 point AF, 8fps, pro build, full weathersealed, 9 step AEB, af point linked spot metering and sold it for $2500, how many would pay 5K for 1D series ?
Canon marketing was right.
Personally I think it would be naive to believe that these two camera IDs were anything other than 60D, 1DsIV, or 550D, since we’ll probably hear about all of them from Canon before Photokina.
If Canon are planning to launch new DSLRs next month, where are the leaks?
You all know what I mean, those hard-to-make out photos on some pro’s (sorry, “Explorer of light”) blog hinting that they are testing out a new camera/lens and can’t tell you anything more… The pictures of various parts of camera anatomy to be picked apart, magnified, subjected to colour reversal etc. etc. on sites like this one. All carefully managed by Canon’s marketing department, of course!
But as the CR guy says, “all quiet”. Maybe this is just a low key launch, maybe Canon have decided to play this one close to their chests. Maybe I’m totally wrong and it will all “start” on Monday!
How true! The ultimate incentive for Canon to make what customers want is for customers to not upgrade the equipment and continue to use what they own. That’s what I’m doing.
and Camera is just a tool. and to those who want 3D they should shoot film…
+ 1, during film days you don’t have that AF, High ISO, FPS that can match 5D MK II
I think people are just hoping for a digital version of the EOS 3, which was a killer camera, it had the AF sensor from the 1v, took the same motor drive with a slightly slower frame rate, and in most respects had pro build quality.
I heard someone say that it didn’t affected 1v, but that’s hard to say, the EOS 3 came out over a year before the 1v. But even in the EOS 3 the VF wasn’t 100%, and a few other pro features were also dropped.
I think you’ll see a 5DII replacement before they seriously reincarnate that beast.
+1
Pretty sure the 5d’s were squarely targeted AT the wedding market.
But then again there are wedding shooters that like to shoot a bit more canded/photo journalist style then the 5dII is ideal for…
I want pro AF and I now how to use Pro AF, only 25% of my photos do I use center AF, I’m tired of the old focus/recompose method….I need an all-around great camera body…not just a sports body and not just a studio body, I don’t want a giant 1D size brick of a body.
“Pro 48 AF point”
What for if it’s a wedding camera?
I absolutely know from information received thru the ether that the new Canon dslr’s are “build to order from a lego-like system !”, a new concept inspired by Red as the only way to make all of it’s customers happy, and reduce the price to under $100 bucks ! Just wait ! My channeling spirit told me so.
lol… canon rumors might tattle on you!
Although a bit tricky to do (at least more tricky than the current method of just releasing individual cameras) the idea behind what you joke about would be nothing short of awesome and would most likely take the business by complete surprise.
Imagine being able to pick and chose different levels of features in areas like AF, MP, FF/1.3/1.6, FPS, weather sealing, body size, built in wifi, built in GPS, etc.. All at different costs of course, with a likely increase as you added more and more high end features.
Then everybody could have the camera they wanted and/or gradually add functionality.
Man, I just had a wet dream there :)
Well, the D700 didn’t kill the D3.
Now, those two use exactly the same sensor, while your suggestion would have needed a lower resolution to accomodate for the fps – giving both 1D(s) lines a distinct advantage.
I’m sorry to hear you have so little imagination.
Thank you for this personal remark but now let’s get back to the issue and my question (hopefully you can answer it without any more attempts at insults). Why exactly do you think that a “wedding camera” would need so many focus points?
That many points might be needed for a “sports” camera to effectively track a fast moving target but I see no reason why you would need this sort of technology in a “wedding camera”.
It seems to me that you have thrown together a bunch of the best specs you could think of without giving them any practical thought.
That would likely bump up the price quite a bit for such customization, but isn’t a dSLR pretty much a compact computer system with a lens? What a fantastic dream indeed. That would just be to remarkable and completely awesome!
They will have to price that thing above the 1D4 to avoid it cannibalize existing 5D and 1D sales.
2000d/60d
Well, it might have overlapped with D3 and that might have been the reason for D3s with improved sensor. Again, that is nikon. Never expect the same from canon. Even having more than 3AEB is reserved for 1D series. Even 7D has 19 points AF, not 45 point like 1D.
My point is, unlike nikon, you will never see the same pro AF and pro build in consumer bodies. Nothing wrong in it. It is just market segmentation
That is arguable ‘cos no one knows the monthly sales figures for the D3 before and after the introduction of the D700.
Think about this. We have the D3 and D3X, but there’s no D700X now, only the D700. I am not saying we won’t be seeing a D700X (24 MP FF) type of camera. I am saying we will only see the D700X AFTER Nikon is confident they won’t be seeing any more significant sales from the D3X.
In fact, I predicted this quite a while ago when all the N fanboys were getting excited about the prospects of the D700X IMMEDIATELY after the release of the D3X. I told them the D700X won’t happen until after Jan 2010. Looks like I’m right. :)
I think we may see the 3D only if N releases a D700X and the initial sales of the unit is as good as the D300. That is certainly the case for the 7D and we have N to thank.
OK…your shooting a wedding…your using f/1.4 lenses, no flash, you’ve positioned yourself to catch the bride and groom taking their vows and depending on focus also the brides Mom, all in the same frame but obviously on a different plane and different parts of the frame……with 45 AF points I can get one AF point on the bride when I want her in focus…and one AF point on the Mom when I want her in focus…all without moving the camera…all without focus/recompose…..all without distracting movement during the vows…just quickly changing AF points as I want….just ONE example.
Right, and you need 45 focus points for that because obviously scrolling thru 45 AF points is faster and more convenient than using central focus point and recomposing quickly.
Additionally, it would be most unlikely that all those 45 points would be fast-focusing cross-type ones. I’d rather have 7 or 9 fast and accurate AF points that some ridiculous number of slower and less accurate ones.
almost every one expected 60D is line up for next canon new model.
rearrange base on the ID :
52b2f2 [GYO]CameraModleID = K169 = 1d m3
52b30e [GYO]CameraModleID = K176 = 450d
52b32a [GYO]CameraModleID = K190 = 40d
52b2d6 [GYO]CameraModleID = K215 = 1ds 3
52b346 [GYO]CameraModleID = K218 = 5d m2
52b362 [GYO]CameraModleID = K250 = 7d
52b2b6 [GYO]CameraModleID = K252 = 500d
52b5de [GYO]CameraModleID = K254 = 1000d
52b58a [GYO]CameraModleID = K261 = 50d
52b56e [GYO]CameraModleID = K270 = unknown!!!
52b5a6 [GYO]CameraModleID = K281 = 1d m4
52b5c2 [GYO]CameraModleID = K287 = unknown !!!
52b5fa [GYO]CameraModleID = OTHER
what we can see from this ?
how would the ipad have made anything different…. anyways I think this post was waste of my time and I wish you didnt have USB internet
I agree with you. lets hope nikon releases their d900 or d95 with 19 point AF to stir the (canon) pot.
On your period?
Don’t get me wrong, the 5DII is a fine camera, but sometime’s the AF is just not fast enough. One of my favourite pics is when the bride comes running of a small hill and the broom try’s to catch here. While doing so, I move around, focus focus focus and I’d appreciate I camera that could keep up with that.
right on!
does this make you cool or something? i missed the point here, bud!
wow, have you checked out http://www.canonrumors.com?
if dell can do it, why can’t canon?
not as much as your decision to write about it.
The 5DII pretty much killed the sales of the 1DsIII, there were loads of pros selling their 1DsIII’s for a pair of 5DII’s last year. Sure the AF and metering aren’t a patch but the sensor is slightly better and thats what you pay for with a 5D camera
Yeah, I was also thinking about that… this is too quiet compared to the few weeks prior to 7D launch. Hope we’re wrong and it’s a 60D
So if I got you right, what you’re trying to say is that they are a 550D and 1Ds4? just because this is the way the older models are arranged? I really dont think they number the ID based on the model name… I might be wrong though, and you too.
So you want a better than 1D camera in a 5D body?
Maybe there is a reason why the 1D is so big and heavy?
huh.
agreed… ultimately i would prefer just one f***ing stunning centre focus!
You would end up with a much larger camera because of lack of integration.
Me? Nothing.
Funny that it’s important for the 1D Mark IVs firmware to know the IDs of other DSLRs…
Two reasons:
* I am not Jeff Ascough (so I need a camera that can help me get there).
* Likely better technology coming this year (better than 5D2): lower noise, AF, digital level…
it is because the same main software is used over different models. parts are activated/deactivated depending on models…
I think they’re the 550d and the 1ds Mark IV
As someone already mentioned, where are all the “leaks?” With the 7D there were some pictures and camera parts to speculate about. It seems like Canon is being tighter lipped on this one (maybe?). Also seems like they carefully release a bit here and a bit there to keep us waiting, guessing and saving for the next camera…hopefully the 60D.
what is missing from the 5dmk2 for you? better auto-focus? what kind of pictures do you take where it’s not working for you?
yeah, the others were just rumors. here’s more proof that we have 2 d-slr’s coming. and hopefully soon!
the dream
sounds great to me. sign me up!
You’re suggesting focus-recompose at F/1.4 at close range?
In all seriousness; no camera will make you a better photographer.
There were parts and pictures, but only right before release – about a week before if I remember correctly.
Canon has really, really, tightened things up.
well, it’s like the sixties song then: Cryin’, Waitin’, Hopin’…;-)Well, by the moment I don’t need no upgrade either as I am waitin for the 7D’s next upgrade…which hoepefully matches with my budget…meanwhile I am enjoying the hype about new releases…Bring ’em on. Whatever the innovations maybe…they all lead to the next 7D… Happy Saturday, everyone.
Nope, he suggests composing a shot with your focus points in mind :P
Anyway, 9 might be a little short, but if Canon gave me 19 razor sharp focus points (f/8 center would be cool), i’m one happy camper.
What’s missing? Specs. Nothing more, nothing less. If you think (with think being the operative word) you are limited by your camera, you buy a new one. Of course most here won’t ask for a 1DsV with 10-500 f1.4 any more, but a 3D with 24-70IS is a wish they’d like to see fulfilled…
I got an email from my local photo store. They said 50D was already phased out.
Buy a second hand 5D mark 1 on ebay for less than £800. For me its still the best camera canon have made in recent times.
In all seriousness, driving Formula 1 car surely doesn’t make one a Formula 1 driver, yet Michael Schumacher will never try to win a championship with a mass production car. If you believe you can, go for it!
Telling people to use lesser cameras (than what they feel comfortable with) is not going to help them in any way.
this is good news then …. cant wait for new 60D now !
Well, the numbers might give a hint which type of camera it’ll be. I guess the last one (K287) is a 1DsIV, because the number is close to the 1D4… If they designed those together, their numbers can be close together. Concerning the other number, i have no clue what it might be, but hope it’s a 60D (the 50D is around for a year and a half now, so it might receive an update)
Canon has a history of providing the camera everyone is talking about with specs that aren’t even close. Canon has lots of great cameras on the market. Pick one and shut up. If you want a D700, buy one, and stop whining about it.
True, but having more digital fun at your command may save a photo you’d otherwise screw up. Having a nice speedy 1D4 + red-ringed glass does not improve your composition, but it sure as hell enables you to shoot better pics in the dark. That goes for an amateur as well as pro. (a pro with a simple camera is simply able to improve lighting :D )
Ascough is now shooting with the 1D Mark IV. It is a wedding camera. So is the 5DII, and so is the Pentax K1000.
It was really quiet before the 1DIV announcement and even quieter after, for weeks.
yup yup me too. I’ll wait until my 5D body is shot to pieces and then likely also try to find a used 5D again…..until my dream 3D comes out.
If the wait is much longer my model’s face is getting age lines & wrinkles…c’mon, Canon, cough it up NOW !!
A forget to answer your question completely. I shoot dancers on stage with only available lighting which sometimes is pretty dark when the mood of the dance is such that low light is required. To track and capture a leap in air I need a little more. FF with pixels in the 16-18 range and at least a 7D focus system would do well. 5 FPS would be sufficient, as I have become accustomed to the intense 3 FPS of the 5D, so I only take the one shot when the dancer is at the precipice of her leap. 5dMII is to poor in tracking in low light and I can’t be forced to always use center focus as I often use my 50mm 1.4 to increase light, but the shallow DOF is difficult to use non-center focus points to maintain focus during movements.
A little more versatility is what a lot of it comes down to. I also shoot weddings and using ambient light is beautiful and so much less intrusive, thus clean shots at 12K ISO I KNOW is possible for Canon. Canon is a freaking awesome company with amazing technical achievements. I know they could produce a camera to fit into a 3D slot for $4,000.
As hundreds of comments have said before…a FF 1DMIV would have been nearly perfect for me, I believe.
is there something you cannot do with your current cam?
You’ve heard of the Multi-controller button….right?
Even Canon is getting better by adding landscape/portrait auto AF change in the 7D….very nice Canon.
Have you actually ever used a multi-controller? Such operation like changing your focus point out of 45 will be MUCH slower than taking two shots using focus and recompose method, and also much less comfortable. And of course since the sensor will be crowded with those AF points they will not be all cross type so the camera will take longer to focus assuming it will even focus at all in those dim conditions. No thank you, I’d rather have a fewer but faster and more accurate AF points.
3D – I disagree with those that say there is no room for a 3D in canon’s lineup.
Us wedding / portrait photographers are crying out for a 5DMk11 that focuses faster (eye focus was great back in the ’90’s so why not now) about 5fps, 15-18mp, and maybe just maybe the beaut freature from the 1 series – dual card slots. Come on CANON make us a camera we will be proud of.
There are so many dedicated wedding and portrait photographers out there using your products now – its time to swing the DSLR war back in your favour…
craig
a camera is an instrument allowing you to see
No secrets here. Its the extra weight of the grip
Imagine that, some time in the future Canon will have announced two new cameras!
so they can give a chance for the retailers to sell and rip off the remaining outdated camera body versions to the newbie consumers at “Best or Worst Buys.”
wow, have a look on wikipedia, search ‘sarcasm’.
OK…obviously you use you camera equipment different than me, and that’s OK….but it is your negative tone, a real lack of imagination, and closed mindedness……..I will try to educate you …..but it is up to you, I can only lead you to the water……..page 224 of the 1D4 manual…you can download it from the Canon site…..C.Fn III-11 – Switch to registered AF Point…..read it for yourself….I have no more time for this.
True, but only at a basic level, a better camera will give you better chances to get the shot you want. If not i’d always use my camera phone.
I want better low light shots, so ISO12800/25600 will be better than my ISO1600 400D, this will give me brighter shots, focused quicker, taken at higher shutter speeds or smaller apetures.
More focus points = better, faster auto focus decisions.
Better processor = faster shot decisions, metering and transfer speed.
Combine this with a faster focussing lens and better in focus action shots are possible.
More metering types = better colour and exposure.
More megaPixels = potentially bigger prints or more generous crops if ISO is really improved along with pixels.
Addons – Video, Spirit level, GPS etc. all add to what becomes possible.
So, if used well, a better tool will do a good job in more scenarios than a simple one.
Presently, i’m sometimes a better photographer than my camera allows, and sometimes my camera is a better tool than me. I want the camera to always be better than me so that it restricts my shots less often.
If canon can do a 7D 18MP at 12800, then i hope they now choose to do a 15MP 60d at 25600.
@stuart: you are not far from a good guess…;-)time will tell…with the advantage, that the 25k pictures maybe get as usable as the 12k of the 7D due to less MP crammed on a crop sensor…I was bad in physics…therefore I cannot give an empirical proof to that. my two cents dream only
You know all these people buying “the latest and greatest” cameras just set it on P-rofessional mode anyway.
Skilled photographers shoot manual, spot meter, use FEL, and select white balance based on conditions.
All the fancy auto algorithms prevent them from getting what they want and introduce unpredictability to the final product.
I heard (wish) it’s the 6D. A 7D with an improved 5D (12MP) sensor. Come on Canon give me what I want.
Hell freezes over first I’m affraid.
Just like all the frustrated wedding photographers here, I was not asked by Canon when they were creating the 7D. I wonder who they have asked?
I’d love to watch Koogle swallow his own words right now.
And i’m so tattled.