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Coming this fall
A different 60D spec list. I've heard from this source previously. I'm going back into the depths of the CR email archive to see what they've said in the past.
15.1 megapixels
ISO 100-25600
7 fps
Digic V
Movie-mode: 1080p with 30 and 24fps
build in GPS for geo-tagging
only a SD-card slot (no CF)
148x109x75mm and 738g
From the email: “rest like VF and display still the same like 50D. Just some buttons are on other positions and have other functions.”
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Doesn’t sound too bad, other than the memory card change (which will cost upgraders some extra money.)
Hope they’ve got the noise problem knocked back — the 50D’s row noise artifacts are the ultimate downfall of its pushed ISO settings… even stacking has trouble getting rid of those, ransom component or not.
I would make constant use of the GPS feature, and the high ISO, if the banding is fixed.
The movie stuff, that’s no use to me. Sad that Canon (and everyone else) is distracted by this. Sure wish they’d put more effort into adding features that have to do with actual photographs… I have a huge long list of ’em they could implement, most in software.
Maybe the hackers will manage to figure out the digic V, and we can get away from Canon’s dictating the software feature list. Now *that* would be a step forward!
er, not “ransom”, “RANDOM”. Oy vey. Sorry.
So why move from a 5 to 3 rating system, and then rate this a 1.5?
* 15.1 megapixels YES! (They didn’t go up, that’s a good thing)
* ISO 100-25600 Hell YES! (assuming it’s not too noisy)
* 7 fps YES!
* Digic V YES!
* Movie-mode: 1080p with 30 and 24fps YES!
* build in GPS for geo-tagging YES (I really would like this!)
* only a SD-card slot (no CF) NO!!!! (It may be necessary, also getting tired of paying 3x more than SD!
* 148×109x75mm and 738g eh. (marginally, <2mm, bigger)
This camera for $1399 would get an instant pre-order/purchase from me.
Frankly, this makes more sense than previous rumors. The 15.1 MP with 7 FPS Digi 5 sounds good to me. I agree with Ben in that they had better have fixed the noise issue. It is the noise that stopped me from getting a 50D.
I could care less about movie mode.
SD only would take some getting used to, but I could live with it.
I guess it would be asking too much to have a one button mirror lock up???
I think that the end of compact flash is in sight. 10 years from now, it will be very uncommon.
It is harder and harder to find, because only high end and pro cameras still use it, Walmart may occasionally have it, and best buy carries one size for $$$. I prefer compact flash, and it has higher performance, but if I need memory in a hurry, SD can be found easily almost anywhere, at least in the USA, for a low price.
I’ll have to wait and see about upgrading my 40D, it seldom gets used now. The high ISO capability of the 5D MK II really makes capturing images in low light possible, while the 40d is lacking there, ISO 800 is pushing it.
i have to add another CR rating, I’ll be doing that tomorrow.
Useless. Built-in GPS is just a gimmick. Let’s have more AF points please – say five cross-type AF – one in the center, one in each intersection points where the “rule of thirds” lines meet.
The current AF layout in the 50D isn’t too far from what you’re asking with all points being crosses.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=29295041
live view is mirror lock up
Finally! GPS is a MUST for all working photographers who make their living traveling, whether shooting travel and scenic/landscape work or any kind of photojournalism. GPS is an ABSOLUTE MUST for productivity and workflow efficiency. But I REALLY want GPS in my 5D, 1D & 1Ds. All DSLRs MUST have GPS. Whoever puts GPS in a real camera will win my business. It helps in home office caption/keyword/metadata, and it also always keeps your camera set to the correct time and timezone.
I also want focus points out near the edges, A-Dep mode on ALL my pro cameras (The 1Ds had it).
Voice memo is also an ABSOLUTE MUST. Far more efficient than trying to write notes on a notepad, or on a separate voie recorder and then somehow add those to my upload to the home office. All $100 point&shoots have it. PLEASE give voice memo to real pros who need it. And actually why not voice recognition directly into a few key IPTC fields for REAL productivity!
Why would Nikon ever bother releasing a follow-up to the D300 when Canon can’t even come up with a *future* D300 killer? This doesn’t go toe to toe with the D300, let alone try to surpass it. Disappointment.
A-Dep??? why??? depth of field preview button does the trick.
I like the idea of gps, but I don’t think its a must for all DSLR cmaeras. by the way the 1D and Ds cameras all have voice memo already…
Your right Quash…
Every time I think about what I want in my next camera I keep coming back to the Nikon D300 and D700.
Actually a D700 with a 16MP FF CMOS would be perfect.
Dave
the built in GPS makes me doubt this rumor/source as valid, it’s a $1000 add on for the 5D2 and they’re gonna give it away on a $1500 body? I dont think so. The whole thing reads like a wish list.
This is CR0 for me for more than one reason.
1- The ISO is wrong (the lower end should be 50) & canon will always make a difference here between the xd and the xxd.
2- build in GPS for geo-tagging ? year right, like canon have given us anything for free. I’m sure that it will be an attached option or a battery grip that will cost more. After all, This is how canon and other companies is making money.
3- SD ? I don’t know about you guys but this sounds fishy. Even the fastest SD cards currently available (class 10) do not offer the speeds required for continues shooting. So I’m not buying that unless canon is planning to reduce the speed to something like 5fps and compensate with image quality and noise level (demon of darkness or whatever was the name).
so – still no flip out display ? ok, I can wait another year. However I find such thing so useful on videocam that I am just not getting why canon does not put it on SLR (just like others start to do heavily).
I want to start smiling about “old days” when I was crawling in mud to look through viewfinder when shooting from ground – even if using an historical-looking angle-adapter.
no CF card slot. no no no nooo!! i have 4GB and 16GB cards and none SD’s. there should be both slots in the camera.
The GPS tracking standard is a bit odd. You think they would offer that as an option because it is alot of cost added to the product that not everyone is going to use.
I dont care wat they change or add. But Keep the CF card slot please.
Not for me, I/m afraid. Will stick to the 40D another year or two then. No sealed body, the same 19th century AF, too many MP for an APS-C, an SD slot that forces me to spend another few hundred bucks on new cards. Only the GPS would be worth considering,but I wonder how they will deal with energy consumption?
i know its (way) to much to hope for but i wish these specs were on a full frame sensor, god that would be so sweet. that and would it be to much to ask for a few more auto focus points and more spread out? :(
GPS:
The upcoming iPhone will have geo-tagging. So I don´t think its much more cost.
SD:
SD cards are cheaper then CF: And they are much smaller. So I hope the will be 2 slots for SD.
But my biggest wish for SLRs is: Built in SSD!
Only one thing comes to mind: where are the additional AF points? Where is the built-in command of external flash? Add these and a few others and suddenly the D300 is no longer out of reach in terms of overall usability (OK, I would also lower the MP count if Canon is unable to deal with noise and DR like it failed in the 50D). But keeping the AF where it has been for some time is simply not very clever. Especially given that Canon do no offer higher model to which people could reach (1D is too big and expensive), the way Nikon does with their D700. And no, 5D2 is not the right higher end model for those who need more accurate and fast AF, that is precisely not what the 5D is primarily intended for.
I think that Canon’s xxD line competes with Nikon’s D90 line and really has no answer to the D300 line.
Im still going with the lord the darkness thing, wait and see what happens
An earlier rumor (CR2) did suggest additional AF points.
Regarding noise and DR, you should compare the 50D sensor to the D300 using a reliable site like: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Image-Quality-Database/Compare-cameras/(appareil1)/267|0/(appareil2)/295|0/(onglet)/0/(brand)/Canon/(brand2)/Nikon
You’ll see that the 50D outperforms the D300 at high ISO (despite the lower pixel count on the D300) but has lower dynamic range at the lowest ISO by 0.84 eV.
However, the yardstick for measuring APS-C sensor performance should be based on the D90, NOT the D300.
Anyway, Canon is not competing at the Nikon D300/D700 level. They are targeting their specs at Sony releases. Notice how similar the 5D2 and A900 are?
When Sony releases something akin to the Nikon D300 and D700, you can be certain Canon will follow suit. ;)
I think that’s the whole point of the rumoured 7D.
The thing that’s bugging me about these 60D specs is that Digic5 cam cope with a lot more bandwith than what’s being offered here. Sure 7fps is a slight upgrade over the 40/50D models but it’s a lot less than the 9fps (15×9) that the processor can cope with.
Canon really needs to up-spec the XXD range to a pro spec and stop patronising us all with this £1000 is amature market cobblers. We want a professional weather sealed body with 8fps and an AF system to be proud of (19 working points). Currently I can buy a 1.5x cropped or 2 full frame pro orientated cameras for the same price as Canon’s amature offereings. Wake up and smell the coffee Canon.
Yes, I would really like to see an improved AF in the next xxD. One of the earlier rumored 60D spec lists mentioned a new AF module. Lets hope that one is right.
If Canon EVER wants me to switch from Nikon
(or buy them side to side)
there has to be 25fps in videomode. period.
then don’t plan on switching anytime soon ;)
Those specs sound like good reasons not to upgrade from my 40D. There is no mention of improving focusing which is what I want most. What Canon needs is the equivalent of Nikon D300 body. A D700 equivalent would be nice too.
On the other hand, I was at Watkins Glen race track yesterday and there were a lot of 1.6X crop bodies being used by the pro photographers. One guy had a 50D (or, at least, the 50D neckstrap) with, I think, a 120-300 Sigma.
I don’t expect a sealed body ever in the xxD series. Not even the 5D2 is fully sealed at twice the price.
There will not be a 7D. I’ve spoken to several people I know at Canon who would catch wind about it and a 7D is a total myth.
What FF “pro oriented” camera’s can you buy two of for the price of a 50D? Are we on medication today?
Also, the camera you are describing is called the 1D MKIII and does 10 FPS. But you are never going to see that camera in the 50D price range.
You got that right. They are planning 24p if you take their statement “not at this time” as meaning it will be coming at some point (though I doubt the 60D will have it) but I haven’t heard a peep about 25p from Canon.
both right im afraid, even with those specs xxd series doesnt come close to the maturity of the d300 package, let alone the upcoming one.
I wish canon won’t make such a mistake… Mostly I need better AF, CF, Movie, Flipping LCD, Lower Noise, and External GPS. If we have movie mode, we could have voice commands too, unlike 5d II. and Using SD is a big mistake…
For me I tell for us two words: FAKE LIST !
OK, give me full manual control over video caputre (ISO speed, shutterspeed, framerate (25p would be also nice, but 24 is more important – I am from Europe), aperture and focus. And I want all my 3rd party lenses to work nice. :-)
IMHO there is some truthiness behind the rumors of a cheaper Sony FF body before the end of the year. Sony does not offer a body between 850 and 2500eur.
Canon has a similar problem : 50D is 950eur (it started at 1500eur, real backlash), whereas 5Dii is 2500eur.
Nikon D300’s successor will have an open field without competitors (could be the reason for an incremental D300s).
As a consequence, Canon certainly started thinking of an intermediate product : a 7D.
Why should it be full-framed? because IMHO an APS-C body will never sell at 1500eur ever again. For example, a full-featured (14.6MP, 100%viewfinder, HDvideo, etc) Pentax K-7 is announced at 1250eur.
Now, Canon’s problem may be : which feature is left to be crippled from a 5DmkII to build a cheaper offer? Difficult question! ;P
If we were to completely disregard Canon Japan’s corporate culture I might agree with you. I don’t believe Canon corporate feels they need to compete with every other manufacturer, and Pentax, Olympus, and others have always been around and historically Canon has not attempted to compete on their terms or product lines. Canon is still top dog, they know it, and I don’t believe they are going to try to match other companies product lines such as Nikon or Sony.
dopravopat! How can 24p be more important than 25p if you are from Europe?
There isnt 1 24p standard on TV. Only Bluray and Cinema uses 24p (and the net). But for the net you can use any framerate. Its all progressive.
60d specs look nice, still its 1,6x crop! So its more expensive for film because you need expensive glass to go wide!
I was reading the “lord of darkness” rumor again, and felt there may be some thruth behind it : an APS-H sensor would be a good differentiator for an intermediate-priced body.
From a marketing point of view, it is interesting : an APS-H body would not cut the sales of Canon FF bodies, while enabling improvements on what people have been bugging Canon about (100% viewfinder, pixel density, AF module, fps, etc).
But you are right, we should not expect Canon’s culture to move so fast :)
I’m quite certain that rumor is a complete hoax.
Maybe their market research has shown indie film makers and online delivery to be the most likely buyers and people shooting PAL less likely buyers? That would make 24p the more important priority.
I do hope the flip out display thing dies in the entry level camera cause the higher grade cameras are already bulky enough and flip out display will just add to the bulk, not to mention weight, durability and weather sealing problems.
I don’t think the MP count will ever go down…only up :)
It’s not like the two are mutually exclusive.
While Built-in GPS might be usuable to some, and I wouldn’t disparage any improvements, I was unaware that traveling photographers could not take photos without it. Being unaware that I had to have it, I’ve been shooting away, and for almost 50 years. I havn’t had voice memo either and managed just fine. These are conveniences, but not “Must Haves”
In any case, it won’t be built-in, somce featers they will keep for 1 series cameras. wish though we may, we won’t get them all on a $1300 camera.
I know it’s not what you want, but SD cards are really cheap these days.
Why is it so much? I have a TomTom that is available now for $99. Why is Canon’s accessory so pricey?
Canon doesn’t make a GPS, they make a wireless file transmitter, which is required in order to communicate with gps units with a usb connection. The transmitters are overpriced, though not as much as people think, since they offer a very high transfer speed and long range, for a wireless device, though the actual effectiveness still isn’t stellar. So, since they make this proprietary uber-linksys thingy which is reasonable small it is expensive.
I would really like Canon to start being able to accept GPS without the transmitter, or create a proprietary gps unit, like the nikon gp-1. It would be a decent way to handle people who want geo-tag. to be honest if it was a $100-150 accessory, I would probably buy it.
I could care less about GPS – might be useful for forensic shooting or people who don’t recognize their photos or remember where they were, but for most people, who cares. WiFi is fairly cheap now, and useful to anyone with a WiFi card in a computer (do they even make a laptop without wifi anymore?) – all but the cheapest cams should have it by now if it was up to me.
David,
My gadget loving side would really like gps. especially if I could have it plot where I’ve taken my photos all over the world, in a sort of google earth way, where the street level view was my photos at their location. I think it would be cool. not saying it should be built in, or really even a high priority at all, but it would be cool.
The fundamental problem with putting wi-fi in cameras, DSLR cameras anyway. is that the file sizes are pretty big, even when dealing with JPEG. The reason the WFT’s are so expensive (well, in part anyway) is because they are a very powerful unit. most computer (desktop, not laptop) based units cannot upload files as fast as the WFT’s can. they also do this while being reasonably compact, at least in the case of the WFT-E2(A) the WFT-E3/4 have additional size, but I think that’s just to have them in the convenience of a grip. That, said, even the WFT-E2 is not exactly small. It would be difficult for me to imagine finding a place in a camera to put something like that, without reducing something else. I know that much much smaller wifi cards exist. for example the eye-fi SD cards, but those have very slow transfer rates for JPEGs and consume a good deal of power.
I understand and empathize with the desire to have JPEGs load on screen for clients, so they can watch the shoot’s results in real time, and make any adjustments they feel they need to then. I realize wi-fi is a good way to do this. the thing is, any unit small enough, and inexpensive enough to put in a DSLR is going to struggle moving JPEGs, much less RAW. So, the client is going to be sitting there waiting 30 seconds for the first picture to come up, meanwhile you’re already 15 frames later, and the client (creative or art director) has no ability to give feed back. so at that point you would have used internal space and battery power for something that doesn’t get the job done, and is therefore a waste.
That seems to me to be why manufacturers haven’t started putting wi-fi in cameras yet. I’m sure that selling $1000 transmitters, sweetens the deal for them. but I think they are trying to develop it, considering how crazy any techie consumer, or almost any consumer at all would go crazy over it, and Pros could have it as a decent tool to help smooth out the logistics of a shoot.
the technology will advance everything, will get smaller and wi-fi will end up in cameras. It just seems to me that that’s the reasons why it hasn’t been done yet.
Most likely I will post videos on youtube where 24 fps is fine. And you cannot get the filmic look with 30 fps. HD players support 24 fps too, and again, I am talking about the look. But if I ever had to shoot something to PAL DVD, then it would be a problem, no 25 fps is bad. But on the other hand, for that low resolution video (PAL DVD), I can user my current camcorder (which is pretty crappy, compared to HD).
I want the 60D to be 1.6 crop, I have four dedicated APS-C lenses and I do not want to invest into new glass. One of them is the Sigma 10-20 f4-5,6. Pretty wide, I can tell you. Anyway, I woule love it even wider (as the Sigme 12-24 on fullframe), but I do not have the money. :-). I see it more likely that I will upgrade to the new Sigma 10-20 f3,5, as all my other lenses have constant aperture and I am used to it and f 5,6 is really too slow at the long end. Also, I hope the new one will have less distortion and better resolution across all the focal lenghts (the old Sigma is known to perform worse around 12-14 mm and I can comfirm that).
One thing I a always hoping for, and is only software:
– time lapse options and more advanced HDR options!
Sorry, little fault, I meant more advanced AEB options of course…
I think here’s some reality check required.
You want GPS? Go ahead and get yourself a GPS data logger. This will also work independantly of your cameras.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m also making use of GPS assistance for geotagging almost all of my pictures but I do so using an external datalogger (and a *very* handy software called “Geosetter”) which enables me to also track my path of walking or driving between taken pictures. Furthermore, I actually don’t trust Canon to build a really good GPS receiver while I’m totally free of choosing a specific GPS receiver when buying an external device.
And that’s all aside from the financial aspect that is mentioned further down.
You’ve got to be kidding me? SD slot only? That is just stupid. Now I’ve got to buy SD cards on top of the 10 CF cards that I have??
First off, I’m really glad this WAS NOT a CR3 rated rumor because those specs are pissing me off!!
Why not dual-slots for SD and CF, it’ll cost them 10 cents to add that in.
I might, consider this new camera body if it has more AF points than the 50D. I’m really sick of the 9 point system they’ve been using since the 20D. What a POS this camera will be if they don’t upgrade the AF. They’ve got to, Canon can’t be THAT blind to the competition.
Sorry if I sound cranky, but I purposely did not buy the 40 or 50D because of the AF issue, and now the SD-card only issue…
I’m just glad I have my 5D MkII, although it has the same BS 9 pt. AF, I use it for landscapes and portraits so it doesn’t effect me that much. But, I was really hoping for a 60D for sports and other fast paced photography.
NO! Not an SD slot!
If I want to use SD cards I use one of my CF-SD adapters…
Do we know if the 60d will have the option to link to your pc/mac so you can see shots as they come up and would you be able to control it from the pc/mac?
Every EOS does that, so I strongly assume the 60D will also do it.
Canon should upgrade the focus points, the new af system should be able to compete with nikon d300, which nikon publish 2 years before, at least
Otherwise, it will be too unwise to be a canon user.
Not my 20d.. :) But it’s why I’m now in the upgrade market. Thanks!
Am I alone in no wanting video mode (of any flavor) in my D-SLR? If I want to take video I’ll use a video camera!
Rather than spend R&D on that I’d rather they improved the AF both in terms of colour as well as contrast detection and increased the number of points available.
SD/CF cards does not bother my so much provided they can support the FPS rates.
Hm… forgot to check the dxomark site. So what does their results tell us, if we are to accept also teh results from dpreview? That the sensor itself on the 50D may not be worse than that on the 40D in most respects, and only slightly inferior to that on the D300. But that after that sensor outputs to the final result, somehow the 50D is left behind by both other cameras, and the D300 wins clearly. OK, then it might be a problem with processing rather thanthe sensor after all – how do I care? If I see RAW files resulting, after conversion, in more noise on the 50D, I don’t really care about the absolute results which the sensor alone can give on a test site.
I agree on Canon not competing at D300 level – I just don’d agree with that decision of Canon’s :)
I’m all for SD, I want to upgrade from my 450D, but I don’t have any CF investment, so I passed on the 50D, I’m waiting to see what the 60D brings, dual memory format would be good for most.
Don’t expect better image quality. They are blinding us with movie mode and GPS
I don’t want stuttering 24fps or 25fps, I want fully smooth 60fps! Time to quit with 100 years old techniques…
GPS ist cheap these days, but I don’t see the point in waiting for the GPS position fix before starting to take photos. So I will prefer my external GPS logger in future.
SD cards simply are too slow.
A built-in SSD? removable? Sure! We call them “Compact Flash”. Compact Flash cards are essentially small SSDs with IDE connector.
Never heard of GPS loggers? They are cheap and very reliable; sync GPS tracks with photos is a one click automated process with GeoSetter.
WiFi won’t be built into EOS cameras as long as Canon is making good money with their insanely priced transmitters.
(Once Nikon, Sony and the others start including WiFi, Canon will follow, but not earlier!)
Actually, best would be if Canon would include Bluetooth to the camera.
This would be a first-on-market for them and would enable the user to remote-shoot via bluetooth and connect bluetooth GPS receivers.
Dunno where you’re shopping, but I find SD is actually a bit cheaper than CF (and has been for a couple years now.) Of course having to buy more memory is more expensive than the memory I already have, but given memory prices now it’s not a big deal.
I’d really like to see them bridge the two by having both CF and SD though. Mostly because the neat things you can do when you have two cards.
If Canon wants us to use SD cards, they should just ship one of these with every camera.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/462559-REG/Jobo_SE9108_Secure_Digital_MultiMedia_to_Compact.html
you’re not the ONLY one, but you people are a minority.
video on a DSLR is a great feature, and i doubt there’s anything you can do/say to prevent it from booming.
and have terrible write speed? I’ll pass
It would cost around 20 USD to integrate GPS into a camera. But i’m also sure: Canon will not make it.
I use a very small GPS logger (Wintec WBT201, max. 120.000 Waypoints) for around 100 USD and it works fine.
If you are going to talk about the bandwidth of the Digic V, then please provide a reference. Without a reference your post is just smoke.
Your Link shows an SD to CF adapter.
SD is the future. Apple just released new MacBooks with SD-slot!
CF is dead!!!
So it seems like the next 50D replacement “60D” will be against the Nikon D90 but with a $200 mark up from D90. And the real replacements for the 40D/50D will be the 6/7D that will cost $1699-$1899 and will be a real improvement. And will go against the D300/D300s/D400.
Nikon has an GPS reciever for just 160euro (around 200dollars) it isnt that expensive like some ppl here writing.
about time, since most PC’s had that about 3 years ago… CF is not dead, it is just being relegated to the area where performance is required over cost/size. ie; pro photo, since CF cards still blow away SD cards in terms of read/write speed. when SDXC matures then CF will die, not until.
not really. the Canon XXD has always been between the 2digit and 3 digit Nikons. I seriously doubt the 6D/7D. though it would be good to have one as a D700 equiv.
Sort of looking forward to 1080p@30fps in the xxD line. I love the 15mpx sensor of my 50D – if Canon could improve on that, I’d be quite happy. More focus points would be nice.
Though if Canon added IS to the 24-70 f/2.8L, I’d buy a 5d Mark II in a second. Otherwise, i’m quite satisfied with my 50D + 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM. :)
No, you’re not alone, but I think you should give it a try before saying you don’t want it. I wasn’t excited about it on my new camera and never saw myself using it. When I got my camera, I shot a lot of stills before even figuring out how to use video.
But, now that it’s there, I love it. Depth and color are astounding and blow every video camera out of the water. Do I use it daily? No. Do I shoot more video than still? No. Is the sound quality worth making a feature film with? No. Do I love having the option to shoot video anytime I need to without having to haul around another camera? You bet.
The R&D was already done on the 5Dii. The 60D is probably going to debut at about the same price (or less) the 50D did (the 5Dii price was almost $600 less than the 5D). The cost of video in your DSLR is so minimal (probably just a software change in the long run) it’s not worth mentioning. You can get the camera for the still camera reasons and enjoy the video at no extra cost later on.
Zac,
You can buy a tiny little 802.11n wireless USB adapter that does up to 300 megabits per second transfer RETAIL for $34 so I’m not buying your logic there – either speed or cost or size-wise.
hmmm… I was unaware of that. I wish there were some published specs on the WFT-E2’s transfer rate, so that a direct comparison were possible. however, it seems you are indeed correct. adding this device would make the cameras a little bit bigger, but I don’t think there’s any-one out there who would protest, especially not me.
please check posts in “lord of darkness”
Zac
It tells us to IGNORE DPReview’s results. :)
Adobe Camera RAW cannot be relied upon for fair comparison. From:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/DMCGH1/DMCGH1RAW.HTM
“We found that Adobe Camera Raw still applies some limited noise-reduction when its NR settings are set to zero, and it also applies other corrections depending on the make and model of the camera”
DPReview should consider using DCRAW as it’s free and far more reliable. But they won’t since they probably earn some advertisement money from Adobe. ;)
And no, the D300 does NOT win clearly.
The D90/D5000 sensor does perform remarkably well though.
Well, my 20D does!? I always shoot table-top macros with my 20D tethered via USB to my PC.
I can use the software or the cord release to take pictures and they appear automatically on the PC’s screen.
What’s wrong with your 20D?
Bluetooth is too slow and short range, and many laptops/computers do not have Bluetooth so people would have to add an extra USB device to make use of it.
Plus Wifi could be set up to upload direct to an NAS, Bluetooth can not do that sort of thing.
In response to Nikon Fans “It will be too unwise to be a canon user”
I agree the focusing points will be important if they’re trying to tailor the 60D to sports photographers.
However, as a canon user you have multiple options, and I would rather not deal with the clunky Nikon interface. My friend has a D700 and I cannot stand operating that thing, all the buttons are in the most unreasonable places haha.
Sorry I don’t mean to flame or anything, just my opinion. But I do agree with the AF statement to some extent as my previous post implies.
I guess one more comment since I’m a bit chatty today…
Yes we need those AF points on the 60D to increase. But I must admit we are pretty spoiled, back in the day people had to hand focus everything haha.
My friend is a very good surf photographer and has had some work showcased on National Geographic and he actually just uses his center focus point and recomposes the image.
I’ve heard there are some issues with sharpness when you recompose but his images look very sharp to me nonetheless.
I’m hoping they atleast double the amt. of AF points that the xxDs currently have.
How about a 60D PROfessional. Uses CF Cards, GPS as a Custom Function, NO HD video mode AND Program, AV, TV Manual mode ONLY.
I’d pay Nikon D300 prices to get rid of features(?) I don’t want or need. And to get some of the PRO features that the Nikon D300 has.
Do you think it is too late for Canon to include a Game Boy and a Cell Phone (with Internet access) on the 60D ??? 8-]
lol well 60 fps would be nice, though I’d expect file sizes would be much larger, but I like 24p for certain scenes/shooting, and I doubt it will disapear.
Just get a T1i if you really want SD. Most people willing to upgrade from xxxD to xxD wouldn’t quibble over a few more bucks for a CF card, so you could keep your SD for your Rebel. But if Canon is going to force xxD users to switch to SD from CF that really blows.
Sorry but Apple replaced the Expresscard 34 slot with an SD slot not a CF slot, which is very stupid of them as they just made almost every PC laptop a better choice for video editing because now you can’t use things like the HD I/O Matrox MXO2 on the Macbook Pro’s anymore. I had my eye on a 15inch Macbook Pro until Monday when they yanked the Expresscard in favor of a lame amature SD card slot. Apple can make great products but when they do something stupid (like when they pulled firewire off the Macbook Pro) they go all with that too – as they now have again especially now that Expresscard 34 2.0 has just been announced with 5 GIGABYTE PER SECOND speeds.
Um, Zac, why would want a pathetic SD card slot in favor of Exresscard 34 (which is what Apple replaced, not a CF slot)? They should have released the new Macbook Pro with the new Expresscard 34 2.0 standard with 5 Gig per second transfer speeds not put a silly SD slot on them instead.
I’d love a 7D modeled after the 5D but for high speed shooting but it’s not gonna happen.
I’ve never needed IS on my 24-70 L. Wouldn’t let that stop me from buying a 5D2, or even add the 24-70 to a 50D body.
Neither the 60D or D300 are pro cameras, unless they include Xbox 360…
Though it’s true that you don’t *need* IS for most types of shooting, I’d prefer it for convenience sakes when doing personal shooting over carrying a tripod for most shots.
I’m only holding back on the 5dmk2 because I really do want a f/2.8 standard zoom with IS, and I haven’t splurged on the 85 f/1.2L II yet – which provides too much reach on a crop body.
Obviously Canon will never have in-body stabalization (unless they introduce yet another mount), so we’ll have to wait for new lenses to have IS..
The loss of sharpness (due to the subject possibly not being in the plane of focus) when recomposing is pretty much negligible in most shots unless you’re using lenses wide open, at their closest focusing distance.
Please more AF points, Canon, and in a good layout.
Not expensive at all. If canon were to make it hot-shoe mounted, or even plug in via the USB port, i’de buy it. But, please don’t build it into the camera.
Alternatively, Built in wifi would be nice. Potentially quite useful for any sport, nature, and even wedding shooting.
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@David
actually the D300 is termed a pro camera, if you don’t believe me check their website.
@other dude
GPS as a Custom function… how is that different from inbuilt? and isn’t that one of those features you would pay to get rid of like video? Please, if you don’t want it don’t use it, same with the other shooting modes. goodluck trying to get Canon to make a 1.6x compact body pro camera.
ok point, nonetheless, I doubt there is any one here who couldn’t have made that in PS.
Zac, marketing hype does not a pro DSLR body make. The D300 is really a prosumer level camera, but they are trying to capitalize on all the job-lost people buying DSLR cameras to try to make some money but who can’t afford a D3 so they call it “Pro-level” (which sounds more impressive than prosumer). Other companies are more honest in their advertising, like Pentax, who is calling their new K-7 “the most powerful PENTAX ever” but not calling it a “pro” camera even though it offers many pro features found in DSLR’s that are several times the price, and in my opinion blows the doors off a D300 or D700.
I’m not saying it wouldn’t be a nice option to have IS on a 24-70 2.8, but it does increase the size, weight and cost of a lens – just look at the 70-200 2.8 where IS is far more important in that focal range. The 24-70L is already big and heavy, I’d pass on the IS over added bulk/heft. Personally I’d rather have a 24-100 2.8 than IS on the 24-70 if Canon were to undate that lens. But with the 5D2’s exceptional low light ability I don’t see why you’d hold out for IS on that lens.
I’m with Ron on this. I use a Fuji Finepix S9500 “bridge” camera at the moment and I’ve found its flip-up/flip-down screen to be very useful in crowds as a periscope, or for shooting on the ground without putting my face in the mud, or for covert waist-level street photography – it is now the absolutely key feature I’m waiting for – I’m desperate to updrade to an xxD/Dxxx level SLR, and the first manufacturer to add a hinging screen will get my money. Its in the bank, I want to spend it, just deliver the goods! I am going to be so disappointed if the 60D doesnt have one, and will probably go micro 4:3 instead.
Yeah you’re right just wanted to share haha, still waiting on more about the lord the darkness thing !
I agree, but keep in mind that this is partially a learned reaction, since Canon and Nikon control systems are almsot polar opposites. What’s funny is to give a Nikon shooter a Canon, They’ll have trouble turning it on. very amusing to watch. :D
Personally I would have never made SD, but that’s just me.
I was unaware that mac went SD instead of the express card, as I do not follow Mac trends. That was stupid, I had assumed that Mac had added it in addition, as most medium to high end PC’s have at least an SD slot, many also having other media terminals.
personally I agree, however, the D300 is definitely Prosumer over consumer
Yeah, an addition of SD on the Macbook Pro line would have made too much sense. I’ve been considering a 13 inch Macbook for dirty field video editing, but only the pro line had Expresscard, so I was thilled when they made the 13 inch a part of the pro line until I found out they yanked the Exresscard slot from them all to put an SD card in it’s place…now it’s back to a PC laptop.
“I’ve been considering a 13 inch Macbook for dirty field video editing”
If the expresscard was the ONLY reason why you wanted to buy a Mac for video editing… sounds to me to do not know what is video editing…
Come on guies. Video or photo editing is NOT only about transferring files from your camera to the computer but, and more importantly, about what you can do, ONCE transferred. ON that point, Mac is simply not comparable to PC and far better.
If the only difference you can make between Mac and PC is the SD slot… stay with PC.
You got me there. Had no idea video & photo editing was not only about file transfers. Also I didn’t know wanting HD component and HDMI input and realtime output and hardware acceleration of editing full HD video meant I dont know anything about editing video. So tell me, where is the SD card that can give me realtime HDMI and component HD video in/out as well as HDMI HD realtime monitoring? Where’s the SD storage card you can edit full HD files off of like you can on Expresscards?
Any decent PC laptop can do these things as they have Expresscard slots, but now Apple has decided only amatures buy Macbook Pros for their point and shoot SD cameras, so much for being better. I’m sure Matrox who makes a lot of pro video hardware for the Mac via Expresscard is just thrilled over this sour Apple move too – and while they used to be Mac only, their latest product works with PC’s now, hmmmm – dont think that’s a coincidence given Apple just screwed them over by pulling Expresscard off their Macbook Pro line.
I have also held back on getting a 50D because of the noise issue. And I, too, couldn’t care less about movie mode.
The one thing I’d like to see would be a greater range of exposure compensation. +/-2EV is just not enough! Even +/-3 would be a big improvement.
It seems Canon might be locked in a feature-war though, so I’m doubtful I’ll see these things anytime soon…
hello….when canon 60D be on shop in europe?
How can a SDHC be the future when limited to 32GB (strict spec)? If SD, it must be SDXC!
A better alternative, if not CF, could be CFast, which is the SATA variant of the PATA CF…
CF? No way. Too many people brought their “heavenly” 32GB etc…@ this speed for high prices. It’s more like 1 card that will last them forever. Now I am forced to use a SD card?
SD card for G-series, totally reasonable. SD for SLR, keep that for the base-line series please.
I’ll shoot almost 50 weddings this year with a fleet of three 40Ds. Love the file output for the price. Passed on the 50D because of the HighISO performance.
If the 60D addresses the ISO issue, sign me up for three.
Re: GPS comments: I bought a Qstarz BT-Q1000X GPS tracker and carry it on a small ring attached to the left shoulder-strap-stud on my 40D. Recently used it during a four-week bird-photo trip, and it worked without any hassle. It is very light, so not noticeable to carry on the camera (especially considering I carry 100-400 and the battery pack on the 40D). USB2 connection for data and to recharge. The software comes with a learning curve, but does the job. It does, among other things, coordinate with Google Earth, write exif into photos, allow correction of date/time stamp if camera and GPS tracker were not correctly time coordinated, etc. Well worth the 100-bucks I paid for it. And, if you want a GPS tracker but don’t need to carry the camera, just unhook it from the ring and hook to your belt … or whatever.
What’s the expected timeframe for the 50D successor? the 50D was announced in Aug-08, but I don;t know if canon is on a 12 or a 18 month cycle anymore
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NO EFFING WAY WILL IT REMOVE BOTH CF AND B/I FLASH IF IT’S GOIND TO KEEP IT’S CURRENT MARKET!
THEY MIGHT AD SD, BUT REMOVING CF IS JUST A TOTALLY STUPID SUGGESTION
WHOEVER SUGGESTED SD AND NO CF IS A DREAMER THAT IS HEAVILY MEDICATED!
I would really love GPS! This would be the pivotal point to make me upgrade from 40D wich otherwise is quite perfect for my needs. A GPS logger is still an extra device to carry with you, makes the camera bulkier (won’t fit into the camera bag with it attached), and you cannot use fill flash when it is attached.
SD would be a bit of a let down, as these tiny cards easily get lost (or I buy one very big one to stay in the camera permanently). However, I probably have to live with that – hope they keep the battery format at least.
In favour of CF, strongly in favour of inbuildt GPS.
Shoe-mounted external GPS units do not let you use fill flash and are an extra thing to carry around.
Would love if it were smaller and lighter than the 7D.
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