7D & 100 Macro Pictures

I’d like a translation to.

What is the button on the right side of the viewfinder?

I wish it comes with decent weather sealing:)

that’s the M-Fn

Yea that’s the most interesting visual thing I see…

If the specs hold up, 18mp @ 8fps is impressive. The 1D does 10fps but only @ 10mp.

Can’t wait for the next 1D! 21mp @ 10fps would certainly be possible with dual Digic 5. Oh and… make it FF :)

I WANT ONE

Yes there is. But why?!?

Please, is there somebody out here who is able to translate this?

:D

Maximum ISO of only 12800????

EOS 7D
-APS-C CMOS sensor, 18mp
-Dual Digic 4, 14 (something)
-8 FPS, up to 94 jpeg or 15 RAW
-8pts center AF, 19 pts cross type AF
-ISO 100-6400, expandable to 12800
-100% viewfinder, electronic horizon (3 lines?)
-new iFCL technology for noise and saturation
-92k pixels, 3inch OLED (LCD) screen
-HDMI output, inbuilt microphone (not sure what the first part means – short clear shooting is the direct translation)
-liveview
-(not sure) something about an on-off switch)
-150,000 shutter life, revolutionary body design
-new design 24mm flash, seems to be compatible with EOS flash system (maybe the wireless flash tech thing)
-Auto lighting optimizer
-peripheral illumination correction
-a lot of customizable options
-EOS system ready

Sheesh.. Since it has 2 DIGICs I was kind of hoping for 2 Direct Print buttons. Sorry but as long as Canon keeps it in the DP jokes never get old.

What’s new that I can tell:

bullet 4: new center 8-direction double-cross focus sensor, all 19-point cross type focus sensors

bullet 13: built-in 24mm wide flash

Same as before: 18MP APS-C sensor, double Digic 4, 14-bit, 8 FPS, up to 94 JPEGs and 15 RAWs continous shooting, ISO 100-6400, expandable to 12800, 100% viewfinder

how bout a Macro translation?

the translation would be too long but basically the spec is the same as previous post..
only a few more not too useful feature.
basically, new AF, center 8 way sensor, all 19 point cross, 8fps, iso to 6400 expand to 12800, 100% view finder with electronic horizon, new metering sytem with color and brightness called iFCL, mic and HDMI for video, full HD movie, face detection, “new movie/live view switch”,
stream line design 150,000 shutter, 24mm flash, auto lighing , auto image correction, dust removal system .

they kind of do…

My guess it that the new button on the right of the viewfinder is a dedicated movie/live view button. Seems to have a red dot near it? or red REC

***TRANSLATION***
[from my native Chinese lang, not machine translation]

– Approx. 18MP effective resolution APS-C CMOS sensor
– Dual DiG!C 4 imaging processors, 14-bit A/D signal conversion
– Approx. 8fps fast continuous shutter; up to 84 large high-quality JPG or 15 RAW frames
– New double-cross center AF point, new 19-point all-cross type AF
– ISO 100-6400 (expandable to ISO 12800[H])
– New 100% coverage, 1x magnification viewfinder with intelligent info display, 3D electronic horizontal level meter
– New iFCL meter system using high contrast and color detection (63-zone)
– Full HD video capture with stereo microphone jack and HDMI output jack
– LiveView shooting mode with face-detection priority AF
– New video-capture/LiveView switch
– Newly-designed streamlined body, metallic shutter sound, shutter lifespan approx. 150,000 times
– new 24mm wide-angle built-in flash supporting EOS E-TTL II (not saying it can function as a Master trigger though)
– Auto lighting optimizer
– Auto correction of lens peripheral illumination (vignetting)
– Many choices of Picture Style
– EOS Integrated Cleaning System

they mension about a movie/live view switch.

Is that a button built into the hand grip, just below the shutter release?

this camera is going to ROCK

Oh, the front view pic of the 7D also shows that it has an IR receiver like all the Rebels and the 5DII, which means we can now finally use those affordable RC-1 and RC-5 IR remote triggers!!! =) It has always struck me as odd that the xxxD had it from the start, but the xxD & xD never had that feature. What, IR remotes are just for newbies? Stupid Canon logic.

Whoah, Nelly.

Feels like Canon have finally understood you need to innovate to stay on top/keep up.

I think Canon never releasing any metering system that can recongize color like Nikon’s..

1. 18MP APSC CMOS
2. Dual DIGIC 4
3. 8 FPS (~14 FINE JPEG/ 15 RAW)
4. New eight-directional double cross central AF point, total 19 cross AF points
5. ISO 100-6400 (Exp 12800)
6. ~100% 1.0X magni VF with intelligent display, horizon assist
7. New iFCL metering (exposure and colour)
8. 3′ 920K Version II LCD, 160 deg viewing
9. Full HD video (w external mic input n HDMI output)
10. Live view w Face-priority AF
11. New switch for Live View/Video mode
12. Aero-dynamic body design, metallic shutter sound, 150K shutter life
13. New 24mm built-in flash, supports EOS intelligent speedlite system
14. A.L.O
15. P.I.C
16. Picture style
17. EOS Integrated Dust Removal system

So it is not Full frame ? I don’t buy it then.

point 4, center is 8-way, double cross sensor
point 6, 100% view finder, with intellegent display and support electron horizon.
point 17 is dust remove system

point 13, 24mm flash

EOS 7D：

1) 18 million effective pixels.

2) Dual DIGIC 4, 14bit ADC

3) 8 fps, 94 hq jpg or 15 raw images in one time

4) all new 8 direction dual cross type center AF, 19 point all cross type AF

5) iso100-6400 expendable to iso12800

6) all new 100%(about) coverage viewfinder, 1.0x magnification, with smart information display, supports 3 dimention leverer.

7) iFCL general metering system which detects both light and color.

8) 3 inch 920,000 point anti glareCRYSTAL CLEAR LCD TYPE II, viewable angel 160 degree.

9) FULL HD movie mood, with stereo input and HDMI socket

10) LIVE VIEW, FACE DECTECTION FOCUS.

11) new movie/liveview switch

12) super aerodynamic body. metalic shutter sound. shutter expectancy 150,000 cycles.

13) builtin 24mm angle flash, with EOS smart general flash system

14) automatic dynamic range optimizer

15) lens falloff correction

16) rich photo styles

17) EOS general dedust system

The viewfinder, the AF, the new metering, the “horizon assist”.

WOW!

Plus, the 18 MP should give us a nice 9 MP sRAW.

It’s same button as appears on rebels, and its not a button but infra-red sensor.

Can’t see how it can be flash master as flash master suppose to be active even when you holding the camera.

btw, isn’t infra-red flash master suppose to be big enough to see in front of camera?

i think i would clear the dust out of the 17-55mm F2.8 is

Just need translation for the L Macro now

I am impressed. not at the spec but at the ergonomic changes.

Whooppeeee. Its got a flash… and it thus 120% perfect for me! I can’t actually think of a feature that I would have added if I had to design the camera myself. My 30D will become my second body… hopefully before the end of November…

Just a pity the 100mm now has the little L next to it. The old one was an L, just not with a L-class price tag. Any rumours about its price tag?

oh and for the sake of it. you dont have a direct print button :P.

***Body Design Changes, plus 15-85mm lens***
(as seen in the latest leaked photo)

– ON/OFF power switch is moved to the top left corner below shooting-mode dial, exactly the same as earlier leaked top-plate pic showed; now the switch below main-dial only controls the on/off of the dial. [kudos! imagine you will probably choose your shooting mode right after turning on the camera, why not put them together and set it with 1 hand.]

– NEW switch/button above the joystick: to switch between LiveView and video-capture mode, as well as start/stop video capture. [double kudos! great decision, now we don’t need left hand to turn on LiveView and then move right thumb down to find the ‘SET’ button in order to start recording!]

-> EF-S 15-85/3.5-5.6 IS USM lens has 72mm front thread, same as good old 28-135, between 17-85 (67mm) and 17-55/2.8 (77mm). This lens should become Canon’s new ‘mid-level standard lens’ for APS-C cameras. I guess it’ll be priced between 17-85 (US$450) and 117-55 (US$1050), US$800? For the 24mm equiv. ultra-wide angle, the range is definitely more versatile than 17-55. The only question is the image quality – how much better will it be above the ‘average’ 17-85. One thing for sure is that it’ll have the latest 4-stop IS system to counter the small aperture at long-end (F5.6 is really too small these days).

but no weather sealing ? just like the 50d.

– IS + Hybrid IS

– UD lens

– 9 aparture blade

– Internal focus , ring USM

– Full time manual focus

Macro Translation (Correct me if I am wrong)
1. Tilt stabilizer and Macro special mode Parallel Movement stabilizer Dual mode IS
2. UD Glass
3. 9 round aperture blade
4. Internal focus + Ring type USM for fast silent AF
5. Full time manual focus
67mm filter
netweight 625g

Correction:

3. 8 FPS (~94 JPEG/15 RAW)

But it does have a super-aerodynamic body, apparently!

that would make a 70-200MP a 640mm with 9MP 2x crop of the shot !!

Why is it lame? Hi-ISO noise isn’t the be all and end all of digital photography despite every anal idiot on every forum obsessing about it.
If Canon can maintain the 40D performance and nearly double the pixel count, I for one will be seriously impressed.

And here:
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/50d/resolution.jpg

Naw, a 2x crop would be 18/2^2 = 4,5 MP. Sorry.

A 9 MP crop would be ~1,4x. = 450 mm.

Noise FUD.

Here’s why resolution counts:
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/50d/resolution.jpg

You get higher resolution, duh! (Image level noise won’t be affected. Pixel level noise isn’t relevant.

100/2.8L Macro:

1) Dual IS(tilt and shift)

2) UD glass for less diffraction

3) 9-piece round shape aperture

4) Internal Focus, ring USM and optimized algorithm achieving fast and quiet focus

5) full time manual focus

weight: 625 gram (excluding accesories)

filter size: 67 mm

size: 77.7 x 123 mm

What? No point in a double print button?? Having two pictures is twice as good as having one! And you only have to press it once, which means halved effort, therefore I correct myself, it is FOUR times as good as before (half the effort and twice as good)!
Nobody would buy nikon anymore!

The DP button persists thanks to cross marketing. Canon, you guys may have noticed, makes a lot of printers built especially for direct from camera printing. That’s why they keep the button around. That’s why it’s on all the consumer cameras. They’re imaging you being able to shoot an event and print with one of their location printers and by pass the computers. It’s jut to support the printers.

As much as I love my 5D; I think the autofocus alone is worth it for wildlife photography; especially birds where a crop factor is a benefit. Not to mention how much more you can crop with the higher resolution. I have been less than thrilled with the autofocus on both my 5D and 40D. This will most likely be my next back up camera, still love the 5D as an everyday camera. If this thing can produce similar noise to ISO ratios as my 5D then I’ll be stoked!

***Latest Pricing rumor***
According to NLI, the latest rumored pricing for 7D is
$1299 Euro for body-only
$1699 Euro for kit (probably with new 15-85 IS)

Theoretically, this translates to the SAME price in USD west of the Atlantic.
For $1.3K with all those sought-after features and plentiful 18MP resolution, it’s quite a competitive and very reasonable pricing. I was quite hesitant with the initially rumored $1.7K body-only pricing, but $1.3K, bring it on!
If that’s the case for $1.3K body, $1.7K kit, then that new 15-85IS lens is $400 with the kit, $500 alone; that’s a bit skeptical as the old ‘average’ 17-85 lens is just $450 by itself. I’m expecting 15-85 to be at least $600 lens-only.

I’m really hoping this camera can do 5+ shots in AEB. Only having 3 is a bummer

The real question is what does ISO 6400 look like. My 5 D MK II looks pretty good at ISO 6400, but it has much larger photosites, same size as 8mp APS-C. !2800 and 25600 are pretty useless unless you have a photo op for a Yeti or something like that where any photo is better than none.

pew pew.. shot down by Anonymous!!

Larger image on Chinese Website

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=Internal&a=http://bbs.fengniao.com/forum/1358632.html

Because it’s highly sought after by photographers everywhere.

If the noise is under control there will be no stopping this camera….. Nikon and Sony will be in the dust of this bad boy….

What about memory card slots? dual – CF and SD, or??

agree. there had been rumors that Canon wanted to phase out the xxD name to avoid ongoing confusion with Nikon D30, etc. Maybe this is what we’re seeing. Will there be no 60D????

lmao

I agree 60D will still come out at PMA early next yr; despite there was rumors a couple of months ago that the xxD line will be discontinued and merged into 7D/xD due to the naming-confusion with decade-old D60, as well as Nikon’s D60, D90, etc.

Since 7D is only APS-C, not APS-H or FF as many of us hoped for, 60D to 50D would be just a ‘video capture upgrade’, same as D300s to D300.

Keeping 60D around US$1K and 7D at US$1.3K will separate them, but I still find $1.3K body-only price for 7D quite unbelievable. Considering D300 is still sold for $1.6K and D300s starts at $1.8K. 7D, on paper, is even better than them.

Realistically, I’m guessing 7D comes out at US$1.5K, which is quite reasonable. I would wait for price-drop if it’s over 1.5K.

Not really, but the 30D – yes.

I’m disappointed…it doesn’t have a toaster.

Big +1. 7 or 9 shots I’d say.

Yep,

and it actually says 1.6 on the box…

hm looks like a big card slot on this quite small picture, so there will be cf! great news

sd wouldn’t make sense because of 18mpx with 8fps… a year to empty the buffer

any info on the battery? will it use the the same bg-e2?

This camera will be my next purchase. The XSi will be relegated to “backup” status. Gonna get body only and a 70-200 f/4 IS and, for the time being, use my crappy 18-55 IS until I can swing the 17-55 2.8. This is gonna be fun!

it seems like a logical step to remove the xxD line the 500D was allready like the 50D just slower an smaller.

maybe the 600D will be even more “pro” than previous models and there will be no left space for a 60D.

I want ISO 50…

I think (hope) this is fake.

1) Same Eyecap as 1d3?
2) Ugly type font on the lenses
3) USM no more golden with stripes / in the typical writing with the design-U
4) Printing anything on buttons is silly because that wont last long in pro usage
5) IR-Sens in the Hand-Grip? – Do we talk about Pentax or Canon?
6) White self-timer-LED???
7) What picture should this be? An official release picture by Canon? I dont think so because the design is total crap
8) DirectPrint button has no LED :D :D :D

Please excuse my bad english…

9) If the screen is 3″ then the black bevel is removed, what goes along with the canon printing on the body as shown. I dont think that makes much sense…

Feature rich 18MP? This baby is only for bird shooters. I suspect that anything above ISO 400 will suck even worse than 50D: this is not even a sports camera, because that requires usable ISO 1600 in many situations.

Forget about low noise. In fact, 5DMkII achieved it by using a low CFA, which explains the better noise (compared to 1Ds) and less accurated colors, as well as (perhaps) the artifacts (banding patterns in noise at low ISOs). We are nearing the physical limits. Any increase in pixel count (specially in a few months) has necessarily tradeofs.

I’m getting one!

IMO – I really really really doubt that price.

In a move that says, “You can’t tear the megapixels out of our cold dead hands,” Canon Marketing flies the middle finger to photographers everywhere with the release of an 18MP APS-C sensor. “We don’t really care about what is necessary, realistic, what is best for photographers, or image quality, we just want to sell cameras and megapixels numbers are easy for dumb people to understand. Bigger is better, right?”

I hate you Canon and it’s official, I’m breaking up with you. The long love affair is over. You can’t hold up your end of the deal and I’m done with you. Screw you…

Any reason to think the 7D will have a BRIGHTER VF ? 100% doesn’t bring that conclusion alone.

agreed.

This is an exciting development, for it seems Canon will be debuting some new technological tricks up its sleeve.

I love it how some criticize the camera for poor performance without seeing one sample, without one shred of evidence.

As for me, I’ll wait and see…I believe Canon is going to give us something good.

I am waiting for a 30mp APS-C!!!!!

Looks like a 60D to me.

Price tag should be the same as 50D.

I am bored at work!

Lens info:
– new HIS capability for macro use
– UD glass improve colors and image quality
– 9 blade aperture to improve bokeh during macro shooting
– internal focusing, ring USM, superior focus calculation, achieve silent & high speed AF
– all time manual focusing

– 67 mm filter ring
– dimensions: 77.7 (D) x 123 (L) mm
– 625 g without accessories

Fortunately it’s NOT FF. Don’t care about FF.

It should be at least as good as the 40D at the pixel level, as the 50D maintained the 40D performance, but it’ll definitely be better at the image level. At least I hope so. My only concern is that the RAW buffer is only 15 frames. It won’t take too many 3-4 frame bursts to fill; I hope this thing writes really fast.

You do not use Macro Lens foe close up only. It is an excellent general purpose lens also ( with a slightly smaller maximum aperture). So would you like to have IS on a general purpose lens????
Also are you sure that you always have a tripod ready when you see a beautiful butterfly sitting on a beautiful flower??? By the time you set up the tripod, the butterfly will be long gone. That is a real life situation for a real photographer. So let us see who is the real photographer.

According to DXOMark data, the 5D2 sensor is nearly identical to the 1Ds3 in terms of color sensitivity and SNR. In fact, dynamic range at high ISO is improved. Non uniform color sensitivity has ALWAYS been Canon’s Archille’s heel. This is NOT a new problem or Canon.

Nearing physical limits??? 21 MP FF is about 8 MP APS-C which is ~ the 20D sensor. There is still a LONG way to go.

You are obviously NOT a macro photographer.

Link to prove why you are spouting garbage:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Image-Quality-Database/Compare-cameras/%28appareil1%29/305|0/%28appareil2%29/291|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Canon/%28brand2%29/Canon

That’s my gut feeling too.

Either that or Canon is trying to eek out a new camera line to compete against the D90. The 500D is more leveled at the D5000 in terms of size/weight. Not a bad move actually.

Those of you going on about the DP button time after time, some pros use it with Selphy printers on location. Great if your client’s staff is breathing over your shoulder.

haha unless what Mitch Hedberg said is true, and the Yeti really just is blurry

I am already using the Canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS and 70-200 f/4 IS together with XSi. :) Superb combo.

I would love an APS-C with same noise level as a FF, but Canon will never do this because would lower sales of FF cameras. That’s marketing :-(
I expect to see new FF (1DsIV) with 30-35 MP and same noise level as 5DII…

I “know” this sucker’ll be announced in 3 days … but does anyone have any idea of availability? I’d love to get this, but I would need it NO LATER THAN SEPT 16 … otherwise I’ll be renting a 5DII for a wedding 3 days later.

Other useful D300s features lacking in 7D:

– in-camera CA correction
– master flash
– adjustable spot metering size
– color tracking

But I guess those features are reserved for 7D Mk2… Goes to show how far Canon is lagging behind.

No way it’s available two weeks after announcement, looks like you’re renting.

Canon agrees to have placed a weaker CFA:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=30030535

This means that more light enters, but colors are not so well separated. If you apply the same workflow, the noise is of course lower to 1Ds:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=30279489

But note that this is not for free. This is how colors render when marketing places noise over quality (this blog compares 5D2 witk D3x, but we hopefully hope 1Ds to be more close to D3x than 5D2):

http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/2009-01-blog.html#_20090126D3x_vs_5DM2

Another evident example:

http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/2009-01-blog.html#_20090126ZeissZF100

In a sense, yes.

It makes insects appear stabilized in the viewfinder. ;)

maybe because of the D60 like somebody mentioned above, or just because they want to reset the game versus nikons 300Ds. it gives you the feeling this is a completely new camera and it maybe gets some of the 5D’s fame for beeing a xD canon

Man, this is one awesome announement. I was hoping for the 60D soon for it’s shallow depth of field HD movie mode and Canon did me one better, the 7D with uberer awesomer features.

Also, I was keen on the 100mm macro as a general use + macro lens but I was dissapointed it didn’t have IS. Canon did me one better here too with a uber awesome IS and an L designation. I’m going to have to buy both now, there’s no question.

On a completely in-related matter, does anyone want to buy a kidney?

Woot! They’ve upgraded the 40D’s X Type Center AF Point.

If this is really @ $1.3k This will be my next camera! I can forget about full frame. No one pays me enough for photography work yet to justify buying a FF camera. :)

Assuming the specification is real, it is an DSLR with very good feature. The only concern is noise and huge file size for me. So let us wait to see some reliable test report and decide how good or bad the noise is. As for large file, if I do not need the super high resolution, I can always drop it down to 10 or 12 mp. If I do not like the noise result ,I am going to send my 20D to Canon to have the shutter release button to be replace and wait for another year or two.

Canon is smart enough to realize that HDR sucks.

How can a “photography” use a tripod?

Abstract noun dude, abstract noun.

LOL

There are many event photographers who are really not pros, but sell $5.00 snapshots at proms, festivals, etc. They take a photo, check it, and print a 4X6 snapshot that is excellent quality. They want to do this as fast as possible to rake in the $5.00 bills.

More serious photographers have a better solution, but I’ve seen a lot od users do this with a direct print button. I’ve never tried it.

Improvement in any one component of your dslr system will improve the net output but cannot be better than the weakest link. Generally, Canon lenses are very sharp and improvement of the camera will provide a sharper image. As long as the noise is low, more mp is better.

The 5D MK II has the equivalent pixel density to a 8mp crop camera like the 20D, yet we here complainers saying it has too many pixels.

I feel your pain, hehehe

I doubt it as well, the price will go up. It will be priced exactly the same as a D300S, or maybe $100 less.

Hopefully, it will take both. I like CF, but it is definitely on its way out. SD is plenty fast enough, with 30 mb/sec cards readily available. I’ve tried to find CF in local stores, ask them and they just look at you kinda funny. They do not even believe it is made any more.

So, I will use CF when I can, but if I get in a bind and need more memory quickly (I’ve forgotton and left my memory at home once), it would be good to be able to pop into Walmart and buy some SD memory for the emergency.

since it’s not a APS-H or FF, 7D maybe the replacement model of 50D….

still it is a lousy camera if its not full frame

The retards that actually want this camera deserve what they get…

It looks to be about added features. I doubt too that we will see a noticible IQ improvement, but lower high ISO noise would be a plus. Canon seems to be aware that this is a selling feature, and I expect they put more effort and attention to it. Still, at 18mp, it seems unlikely that high ISO noise will be any kind of a breakthru.

Still, i plan to order one the first day, as soon as Adorama will take my order.

A lot more affordable – Sony A850! Unfortunately, sony does not allow retailers to offer heavy discounts, so it will sell for close to full MSRP.

What’s with all the hate for crop sensors? 95% of cameras out there are crop and you’re saying FF are the only decent cameras? The worst part is, I’m sure most people who say that wouldn’t even be able to max out the capabilities of a rebel, and yet they need a FF.

I’ve seen people do amazing things with 10D’s and 20D’s and rebels. If you want FF get a 5D or a 1D and stop whining

“Retards” he he he.

10) No direct print button ON the LED

I guess this is what Canon has been planning, looking at those specs it seems that this camera is more towards outdoor photography for birds/macro/wild life type photographer.

Not for event for Indoor.

Don’t forget the wireless flash control from the camera is coming…I promise…

+1000

Good god, if I see another god-awful HDR I’m going to vomit blood.

Notice the dark spot on the grip? Could it be an active element that turns the camera on when it’s held, perhaps?

Best post ever…

Excellent Translation. For me the 3 dimensional electronic level sounds like a marketing gimmick. If you level the X direction and the Y direction, the Z direction will be leveled ( perfect vertical) automatically. So for me 2 dimension is enough. Are they doing a ‘time wrap’ with the third dimension????

Why not indoor??? High ISO (assuming good noise) is good for indoor with out flash or you can have very long reach with flash. Fast frame rate in good for catching expression of people. Flash master is good for controlling your 580EX II indoor or outdoor.I cannot name a feature of the 7D that is against indoor. Please educate me.

You’re right of course.

Can’t imagine a camera flying in the air with its ‘aerodynamic’ body design. LOL

I know it is a stupid question, but what about the weight?!

+1

Thank goodness it’s not another one of those super expensive FF cameras

yeah!

It’s for remote IR… a feature present in the xxxD models for ages…

Just Guessing man.. no offence :D

I just cannot see people keep on putting down the APS-C sensor. The only advance of the FF is that teach pixel is larger and the potential noise level is lower at high ISO. Also it has a potential of better resolution. but let us be honest to our self, Do we really need 21 mp picture?? 4 mp is good enough for 8X10 for display. If you need to crop half of the image to make a picture, you need to be more careful in framing. How often do you need to shoot in extreme low light. Before 50D, APS-C is 10mp and with reasonable noise level up to ISO 3200. That will fit more than 95% of the need for the owners of the ASP-C which is the majority of DSLR ownership.

let me point out some of the draw back for Full Frame:
Camera is bigger and heavier and a lot more expensive.
You need very good lens to make full usage of the FF. Even canon L lens will have image problem on 4 corners,just a matter of degree.
21 mp will have a huge file size compare to the 12 mp.

Advantage of APS-C:
Camera are lighter, smaller and generally less expensive
Very good lens are still needed to get good resolution with corner to corner sharp picture.
File size is reasonable.

Necessity for both format: get the best lens you can get.

Actually, I am not a defender of the APS-C. I just cannot see why APS-C has constantly being put down without any reason given in this site. Personally, If I have a choice I go for APS-H. That will be a good compromise and get the best of both world. I hope Canon will coms up with a reasonable price APS-H camera soon

What a disappointment! I can’t believe it, I’ve been waiting with a great hope that Canon will wake up one day and realize that they are losing major market share and will release “killer” camera.

All of the specs don’t mean a jack to me as a professional photographer. If it is not FF camera then everything is a waste. Yes, the technology will eventfully trickle down (or up) to 5D MK3 and 1DsMK4 but by this time Nikon and Sony will come up with far better and more advanced cameras.

That’s it I am officially leaving Canon and selling all of my pro bodies and lenses, anybody interested in buying them?!

i am a gay.

Goodbye. Don’t let the door…

I love the new lens! But I wonder how much it would cost with the new IS system! Anyway I want it!!!

So you were expecting something better then the 5DII (what’s wrong with that by the way?) in a camera that was clearly aimed at a cheaper market (thus the higher number)?

Haha good call!

+1

We wants it… we needs it… must… have… IS macro

Just playing devils advocate but the diffrence when looking through the viewfinder of a ff compared to a crop is huge. The extra area makes a big difference.

Not big enough however for me to justify the cost of a ff.

No offense was sensed. I just trying to explain it to you at the same time try to learn something from you. In fact. it make an excellent indoor camera

Thank goodness the 7D does NOT have a FF sensor

Have you heard about d300?

Are you perhaps Costas Indeassias?

He is getting at that 18MP is a lot higher density than 10MP on the same size sensor, so given a sharp enough lens, it is like a free built-in TC (without loss of stop of light or AF speed) compared to say a 40D or 20D.

I think he’s refering to the high mp, and the cropping ability

I’m looking forward to the preview on DPR. I’m sure they already have one to try out.

Yes, I am interested.

cheers mate

there is no need to announce that. It`s obvious from your name.

Yes It is. May be I just cannot see the tree while I am in the forest.

Megapixel wars, welcome to DEFCON 1…

that ain’t the 7D. there no switch button on the top left hand corner like previously rumoured.

When I take my 40D out of the bag, it will sometimes change the mode dial and I will not notice it. With the 7D you have to look at the dial to turn it on. Big plus for me.
As for the 18MP, have any one of you been disappointed in the noise level of any xD camera and what makes you think this one will be any different?

I agreed with this when they had color metering and a better AF system, but the issues you raised here are certainly less “ahead by a mile” than you suggest, at least, in my opinion.

Same here and until I’ve read 3 reviews from different sources I’ll wait.

Um, Yes there is?

You’re talking about the on/off switch, no? It’s right there, attached to the mode dial.

Note how there would normally be an on/off attached to the main dial on the back, but instead it says “lock” to lock down the mail dial.

Buy a Nikon D700 then, I’m sure that will fit your fancy better.

Anyone have any idea what the button below the mode dial does? (Above the menu button, to the left of direct print).

Activates the horizon level, maybe?

As I said in my comment, FF does have lower noise for High ISO. But how many people will use 3200 or 6400 most of the time?? The view finder in FF is definitely an advantage. However, I respectfully disagree about the DOF. In a Crop sensor, the camera “magnify the focal length by 1.6 and decrease the DOF accordingly. eg. 50mm lens mounted on a 1.6 crop sensor body will become a 80mm lens. So the DOF will be that of a 80mm,not 50mm anymore. I think you statement just says the opposite.

Two words: Wide-Angle. I do a lot of landscape panoramas, and I’m also an astrophotographer. If I don’t want EF-S glass, then I’m limited to a 14mm -> 22.4mm $2k lens, or the 17-xx mm -> 27.2-xx mm lens. Even the EF-S 10-20mm is only a 16-32 mm lens on an APS-C sensor.

Now, granted, I can do stitching, which I do do for landscapes, but if I want an ultra-wide shot of the sky, I’m SOL on an APS-C body.

If there is nothing wrong with your 300d, just keep it for a while. Use the money to buy a good lens. My choice is the 17-40mm F4 L lens (about $760) this will give you equivalent of 27 mm to 64mm. This is a good general use lens, from scenery to group picture and half body portrait. . I have it for more than 4 years with my 20D. this lens is not for telephoto lens fan.

I took my rebel xti down there and got some amazing shots with my tamron 17-50 2.8. On the summits of yosemite I stood in one place and took about 12 pics, then stitched them together in photoshop cs3…they look amazing! Would have been easier with a 10-22 mind you.

My advice is to enjoy yourself down there – chances are that Ansel Adams already took a picture of where you are going, so just buy a print of that! :-) Enjoy your trip, its a beautiful part of the world.

Like what?

The 100 L macro is rumored around $1200 with the hybrid IS system

Point taken. However, not every body wants to use lens shorter than 28mm (equivalent). If they do, there is 10-20mm EF-S. there is nothing wrong to do that. Anything shorter than 24mm is over $1000 anyway. if you won a APS-C body, then use EF-S len (If you have to). I am using a 17 -40 mm on APS-C body, I am happy with it. Just out of curiosity, how often do you use anything shorter then 24mm on your full frame ?

Forgot to mention, would be interesting to find out on 1 September if Canon have improved the Auto ISO on this body too. Either like Nikons where the user can set parameters, better still the following:

1) The ability for the user to set the maximum ISO it can use.

2) I quite like the idea of the Canon system attempting to maintain a minimum shutter speed of 1/focal length, as opposed to just using a static minimum shutter speed like the Nikon system, but it would be better if there was an option for the user to set auto ISO compensation. So, for example, if you are shooting slow moving subjects and you are quite steady with a camera (or maybe using a monopod), you could dial in an auto ISO compensation of -3 stops, so that instead of the camera choosing a minimum shutter speed of 1/320 @ 300mm, it would select 1/40. On the other hand, if for example you are shooting fast moving subjects, you could dial in an auto ISO compensation of +3 stops, so that instead of the camera choosing a minimum shutter speed of 1/320 @ 300mm, it would select 1/2500.

3) Intelligent to take Image Stabilized lenses into consideration when working out minimum shutter speeds.

Thanks for the flame. First, I said “IF” one doesn’t want EF-S glass. Second, if one does plan on having FF cameras, then buying EF-S lenses actually is a waste of money. Third, having EF lenses over EF-S has nothing to do with limiting oneself to “L” glass.

minus 1

I have to agree with this.

Isn’t a DSLR supposed to be used to take photos?

what’s the point of a video? A camera is a machine that takes photos. A camcorder is used to take videos.

i know this has full hd. but i think a camcorder and a camera does its job better seperately than a… cameracorder. haha.

and even though u have a video recording system. its not like you can hold the camera still for 1 hour. u’ll probably going to get a cramp before the 10 minute line, especially if its a long range thing. with 400mm f/4 L? no way. you’ll probably have to be a body builder to survive

THE PRECIOUS.

Only one though. Can it print at 8FPS if you hold it down?

high ISO is important for many who depend on it

“12. Aero-dynamic body design, metallic shutter sound, 150K shutter life”

This feature is really important to me and I’m immensely relieved that Canon has seen fit to include it.

hmmm. I don’t know what to do. I want the features of this body, but also want full-frame for the best compatibility with the L-series lenses.

I currently have a 10-22mm and the 17-55mm and the 17-55mm is filled with dust – very disappointing. I want to step up to the 24-70mm f/2.8 for the weather sealing (or rumored 24-105mm f/2.8), but 24mm is not wide enough on a cropped-sensor body for a standard zoom.

I wish they were announcing a 5DmarkIII at the same time as this!

If canon are going to commit seriously to APS-C like it looks like they are doing with this body, then they really need L-series wide zoom (10-22mm – lets make it f/2.8!), L-series SEALED standard zoom (17-55mm, or even better 17-70mm f/2.8) and tune the next 70-200mm f/2.8 to work even better with APS-C.

And then the jewel in the APS-C crown – a tac-sharp 35mm f/1.4mm specifically for APS-C.

If canon had better lenses for APS-C then I would commit to it. Seeing as though they don’t, then I’ll probably just wait until 5DmarkIII.

Take a good look here:
http://www.dpreview.com/challenges/ChallengesFinished.aspx

Most of the best/winning entries are taken with crop cameras. Hell, the top 5 most popular cameras used in the challenges ALL feature APS-C sensors.

Repeat after me: APS-C rules, APS-C rules, APS-C rules…

Care to elaborate?

I haven’t had this problem with my 17-55… but hear it come up all the time.. sucks hard!

I doubt canon would be able to create a 17-70.. maybe a 15-55? The optical design is large already.. I would think it would be difficult to increase the FL without increasing the size beyond what is reasonable.

I would think if they wanted a normal, it would be a 31 or 32mm, f/1.4.

I do doubt any L-Series EF-S lenses though, judging by the price and build of the 17-55.

You can rectify the 10-22.. I went for a tokina 11-16 f/2.8, that is a fantastic UWA lens for crop bodies.

150k shutter life is actually great to hear.. they made the life of the camera 50% more in the span of one year.

Wait, aren’t the live view and the direct print buttons combined on the 50D and 5D Mark II?

They built a D30 and a 30D, and two other cameras with names identical or similar to competitors’ products (5D and 50D). They’ve not suddenly decided that a 60D would be confusingly similar to the D60.

ok guys, you got me there. LET US HAVE THE DUAL DIRECT PRINT BUTTONS!!

I use a camera obscura for my macro photography, nothing else will do.

ah ok, I overcalculated. But Still 450mm is great :>

I would be happy if ISO 100 is CLEAN.

This is going to be a difficult choice. Good image quality (5D) or good AF (7D)… Can’t have them both with Canon.

SD can be great because you can buy them from almost anywhere. they are great for travel. I have a CF SD converter that I use with my current SLRs and they work great. Howerver, having an SD slot built into the body would be a great help.

1.6, sooooo disapointed, this means Canon still doesn’t have a serious contender for the D700, or even the upcoming D700x. Nope, the 5D2 doesn’t cut it for fps or fp, nor does the build quality match up (fails in cold, not freezing, just cold weather) sooooo disapointed!!!

Remove the S from the EF-S lens that’s attached to it…?

Unless canon have re-written the laws of physics, then 18MP is going to be noisier than 12MP. I’d take less noise over more MP and bigger file sizes clogging up my HDD, any day of the week.

The only time I can see it being useful is if I have to crop right down, but I generally have the right lens for the job so don’t do a lot of cropping – mostly loose crops for correct framing and rarely any tight crops.

Anyways, the noise is only really visible at ISO 400 and above on my 450D, and is only annoying at ISO 1600 and some ISO 800 shots. If they can get noise at ISO 400 – ISO 1600 (or even ISO 3200) down to acceptable levels then hell – I’ll treat the extra MP as a bonus and not as a curse.

While a fast 5D2 would be nice, let’s not get carried. Fails in cold, not freezing, just cold?! Riiiiight. Because I only shot it with it for hours last winter when it was 18F…. and in light rain yesterday….

Just print it or downsample the higher ISO files before looking it at them at 100% to 12MP if it bothers you and be done with it and enjoy 18MP at ISO100….

I hear you, Gavin . . . anything 30 or below and 1.4 would be just swell with me! I just might pick up that Sigma 30, actually!

+1000

Oh yeah, forgot to remove the sane bit of news from the line. :D

I think with the a 15 frame buffer, and the ability to shoot at 8FPS the extra bandwidth provided by a UDMA CF card will be very important.

Yes, is that supposed to be a good thing? Does that mean they’ve engineered the plastic to sound like metal? Cos if it actually was metal, wouldn’t you just write “metal shtter”?

Well, we don’t have the full spec sheet yet, do we.

cares more about their gear than their photos

+1

This is from http://www.northlight-images.co.uk

I hope the 24p is true, but the 60 fps kind of makes me think it’s not. It is interesting though.

We were sent this a few weeks ago (along with a -lot- more unsourced comments)

“7D is Pro-Crop, Dual DIGIC IV, 18.2 MP CMOS, 8 FPS, 19 All cross + 26 Hidden AF Points, 3 Inch LCD, 24/25/30/60 Frames per sec FHD/HD Movie, Electronic Focus Screen, Vertical & Horizontal Electronic Level-meter, Reveal @ 2nd Sep 2009.”

In view of the similarity to what’s just appeared in rumourland, I do have to admit that if it is 18MP, then I’ll happily take back my earlier scepticism, and look forward to what comes in the 1D4 and 1Ds4 :-)

APS-C sucks, APS-C sucks, APS-C sucks… please accept the fact APS-C is still APS-C. FullFrame is expensive because it is obviously better than APS-C

Then take sRaw, you’ve got your 9MP shots then.

Same here.
My 5d2 doesn’t do birds well.
7d 800mm f5.6 awesome

I was looking at the pictures in the blog and it struck me the reason there is not frame for the “LCD.” The reason is that it is an OLED display. They are the only ones thin enough to not need a frame. In other words it fits inside the case and not pasted on the outside.

Well your full frame cam is crippled with a 35mm sensor when MF cams do so much better job.

I believe that the 500D sensor is based off the 50D’s rather than the 450D. Honestly, I believe that the technical jump from the 450D to the 500D was huge.

Indeed, but you will not have the high iso capabilities of a 9 to 12 MP sensor…

7D body for 1.5k => it’s mine !!

Please shut up !!! You’re obviously not a Canon pro.

Does anybody be skeptical about the truthfullness of the 7D picture ?

Maybe it was made by photoshop, after all it was leaked from a forum in “China” !!

Well it is the exact same sensor – of course it has the same SNR.

I sold my d700 and d3 for 5d2 I just miss the speed but picture and colors canon 5d2 can’t compare.

So, maybe they can reduce noise wth cooler sensors or software. But how do they combat defraction? On the 50D it is pretty obvious at f10 – f16…I hope it is a birders body and just used at f5.6 ;)

Ok i think we got some misunderstandings. I’ll try an example, taking two images from the same position (10 m distance) with same aparture (1:2,8) and to get the same (!) vield of view i use a 50mm on the crop cam and the 80mm on the FF. So focusing distance is equal and the image looks the same besides DOF. The Crop would have a DOF of 4.48 m and the FF a DOF of 2.68 m.

http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

Indoor event shooting (wedding reception, for example) requires extensive use of either wide angle lens for tight group shots or telephoto angle for candid photos with bokeh to isolate the subject. This is where APS-C fails both ways requiring frequent lens exchange.

I love the new back design, it’s so much better than the ugly one of the 40D / 50D :)

Probably ;)

How does high ISO pixel binning work on the latest crop of P&S cameras?

Fully agree Niok, this probably means a new battery-grip too.. ( I hope ;-)

Whoops. How embarrassing…

Just found this:

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_7d.html

450 comments on this thread so far… Start ticking them off!

Better yet, two direct print buttons and an option to make all of the other buttons work as direct print buttons, too.

I for one welcome our new Martian overlords and their insights into low-light photography.

Lets wait and see some photos before we call this camera junk……if it even is real!

I guess that the 7D has a continuous burst mode like the 50D too. As the 50D has 6.4 respectively 3 fps I would expect 4fps in the 7D…

big difference between manufacturing a 3″ camera display compared with 36″ tv

Jeeze, give them a chance.

The 7D is going up against the Nikon D300s. It is not some misguided attempt to take on the D700 or D700x: which the 5DII already does.

The 60D is now likely to be an unsurprising incremental update to the 50D: add video, slightly improve ISO, etc. However, they can probably pitch it at a lower price because a) they did not have to spend much extra to develop it and b) the 7D will take in the money from buyers who could easily afford a 60D, but who wanted something more like a D300s. Anyone who was expecting a 60D to have much better AF, dual card slots, 24p HD video, better weather sealing, etc. just got their camera in the 7D and will have to pay a premium for it.

can we drop the “D” already? Why not just call this the EOS 7? Are we going to forget its a digital camera?

How many more digital bodies do they have to sell before the film variants get an “F” and the rest of us can just say I bought the new EOS 7?

looks like it was designed to target the D300’s marketshare.
Even the virtual horizon is here (I supposed that what Gradiometer stands for).

Might as well drop the number too.

First, the 10-22 is not IS noob, next the 10-22 doesn’t have horrible perspective and distortion. It’s actually far better than the 17-40 on FF, almost no flare visible, distortion perfectly exploitable and each corners is sharp enough. Maybe you don’t know how to use a wide angle lens, I know it’s not that easy :)

The 10-22 is a must buy on APS-C like the 16-35 II is on FF :)

Actually, i’m smiling because many ppl were claiming that the APS-C sensor size will be soon over against the FF sensors.

And it’s far to be over :)

This means that Canon will produce some more great EF-S lenses :)

15-85

does that mean we can expect a new EF-S 15-55 f/2.8 IS?

I agree with Mike V, an aps-c is aps-c. Full frame is still the best

I totally disagree, if you buy a reflex you search for image quality, or it’s better if you buy a bridge camera with and equivalent 28-520.
Problems coming from an high density sensor are 3: noise and lower general image quality, lens cannot follow the resolution (50D was already too much) and loss of dinamic range(due to pixels too small to achieve the same results).
If you do a compararison between 40D & 50D images, the 2nd doesn’t seems to have more resolution, 50D ones just seems an analogic enlargement of 40D’s; this because decent lenses (aka the L series) doesn’t resolve well a 15MP APS-C, i’m really waiting for 7D RAWs to process, in order to see directly how it is.
What’s the sense in a sport oriented reflex that can’t go high iso? Why always going back from 40D IQ? Give me a 11MP with 2 stop ISO improvement (in RAW, JPG is only for a few sports). A 18MP at the same level would be good, but only with EF-S or ultra sharp L lenses(70-200s, 24-70 and fixed focal), so what’s the point again? I need to shoot at iso 800 without noise, let’s leave the resolution to FF, keeping the same density of a 8-10MP APS-C.

“I agree with Mike V, an aps-c is aps-c. Full frame is still the best”

Best for what, exactly? Bragging about? Whiners?

stop whinning keith R, if you can’t afford a fullframe :)

Not in the next few months. The 17-55 2.8 is a superb lens. No need for replacement.

What s stupid comment. FF is the best? yeah for what? your needs maybe?? how many times will we have to explain that the APS-C APS-H and FF sensors areabsolutely not concurrent but complementary!

Tell to Hasselblad ppl than they suck because they are not using FF, they will laugh at ya! warrior noob :)

Of course FF is better, nobody is saying it isn’t. However, fo most photographers a crop sensor does the job.

But if you have one you don’t want I’m sure I could find a home for it ;)

APS-C= $1600-1800 =)

APS-H/ FF= $2600-3000!!!! =(

laws of physics have nothing to do with it .. it’s the most OVERUSED expression on these sites.

the purported laws of physics assume that sensor development are static.

purported laws of physics also ignore that no matter what the Mp’s .. only pixel peepers care about 100% magnifications.

The 10-22 on 1.6 crop is NOT ‘far better than 17-40 on FF’!

Obviously you have not used both back to back, like I do. I’ll tell you now that if you compare the 5D with a 17-40 f4 with an image from a 40/50D with a 10-22 – you will see a difference, optically speaking. I find the 17-40 has better edge sharpness and better colour saturation.

Obviously you can compare images directly because the 5D is a far superior camera as far as IQ goes.

However, that said the slower 10-22mm is an amazing bit of glass considering what is has to deal with, it does an amazing job and produces fantastic images. Also if you dont absolutely need the extra stop of light, i’d recommend the 17-40 over the 16-35 – and at less than half the price, it’s a winner!

September is arriving !!

Less than 48 hours to go. YEAH!!

Can someone please point out that more pixels in a small sensor does NOT mean more noise if all you’re comparing images with the same pixel dimensions.

An 18mp camera will likely produce more noise overall than a 15mp camera, but IF YOU DOWNSAMPLE THE 18MP to 15MP, you end up reducing the noise significantly. As long as the 18MP sensor is well designed to actually deliver a suitable amount of effective resolution, the slight hit in noise ratio that you take is negligible if you compare images of the same resolution between cameras.

Adding more MP isn’t a bad thing for people that are happy with a certain smaller megapixel number, it’s just a useless thing for those people.

Who knows, maybe Canon will still manage to make this a really noisy sensor, though probably not. But either way 18mp is not the end of the world.

Minus another one.

Have you actually seen any resolution comparisons between the 50D and 40D? You might be surprised.

Image level noise is equal.

Yeah right, Canon has a misinformation department.

And its not like you can hold a camcorder still either. If you want video looking anything like professional video you’ll need a tripod, and then the size of the equipment makes no difference.

The relatively huge sensor of a DSLR beats the $#!7 out of a camcorder.

Haha … “but Canon will never do this because would lower sales of FF cameras”.

OR ….

they don’t do it because they can’t beat the laws of physics.

Sensor size will always be a much more important factor than megapixels, something people seem to have a hard time understanding.

Yeah, competition FTW. Everybody wins. Except Canon.

7D and 15-85 kit will be coming my way if all is true, including a 70-200 F/4.0 IS USM. Was going to stump up for a 50D until I stumbled across the ‘rumor’ mill ;) ….

Very well stated!!

And I agree 100% in testing them back to back. Note I have both sensor sizes…They have their strenghts and weaknesses. Need to know how to put them to best use to make the best possible exposures.

Problem with full frame is you need to have good glass that is sharp in the corners as well…and unfortunatley that leaves only expensive L glass to choose from, at least IMHO.

Tim

From my understanding, picture noise can come from any of the following places: circut noise, sensor noise which is closely related to environment temperature and eletrical voltage flutuation, amplifier noise, adc noise and miss interpolation of the sensor signals, and any of these fields can be improved dramatically by better designs. I personally don’t mind smaller sensors.

Higher density sensor can lead to worse lens diffraction problem.

Larger sensor can have better pits to store signals, but need better lenses to deal with that lens diffraction problem too.

Quote:

“In a Crop sensor, the camera magnify’s the focal length by 1.6 and decrease the DOF accordingly. eg. 50mm lens mounted on a 1.6 crop sensor body will become a 80mm lens. So the DOF will be that of a 80mm,not 50mm anymore. I think you statement just says the opposite.”

I get where you are coming from, however it’s only partially true.

In a real life situation, imagine you have a full frame body with a 50mm lense on it and you frame a person for a passport style photo through the viewfinder. If you then stay exactly where you are, but change the full frame body for an APS-C body, when you look through the viewfinder the person will appear too close. Therefore, you will need to take a few steps back in order to frame the person correctly.

As you have now taken a few steps back, the distance between the person and camera is now further. So, with the same aperture, you will have a greater depth of field.

Yeah, I know it can give you a headache, but it’s not that hard in real life situations. ;-)

Loose corner sharpness I mean

Again, you’re comparing apple with oranges. The 5DMk2 will show up any imperfections in glass at 21MP. The 50D only has 15MP.

Stick the 17-40 on a 5D (12MP) and compare that to an identical image shot on a 40D or 50D on the 10-22. Both at widest FOV and stopped down and wide open. The 10-22 does well, but it isn’t a match for the 17-40 on a FF with it’s far superior build quality, included hood and superior colours.

Plus the 17-40 can be used on any Canon EOS system body, whereas the 10-22 is very much a niche lens – that does a sterling job, none-the-less.

geez its already stated as APS-C = 1.6 crop, not clear enough? And so far no mention of dual slot, only dual Digic

As I said before it is been said that a tester told it is a x1.45 crop.Nowhere says it is x1.6, these are guessings because of taking ef-s lenses
I wish it is x1.45

at the end I think is going to be x1.6; 15mm lens in a x1.6is equivalent to 24mm, just like the flash coverage.
would have been a brilliant move from canon making a larger ef-s compatible crop
what a pitty!!

that would be the 3d :p

I will buy it only if it is APS-H or FF.

duh … my comment was eaten by the html parser.

what I was trying to say was that …

This is a (less than) $2000 camera. If it were FF it would be (more than) $3500.

Its a new Exmor back lit sensor.

Number of pixels has nothing to do with it.

Firstly, if you compare the overall performance of the 10-22 on the 8 MP XT vs 15 MP 50D, you’ll find they are surprisingly similar. (So much for all the junk theories on diffraction.)

Secondly, 50D (4.5 MP/cm^2) is a far more densely packed sensor than the 5D2 (2.4 MP/cm^2). So, if sensors indeed matter, then the 50D is a more critical test for lens performance than the 5D2. BUT the reality is that the 17-40 f/4L performs WORSE on a LESS densely packed 5D2 sensor than the 10-22 on a MORE densely packed 50D.

18mp on APS-C is absolutely suicide… too bad for Canon. If it was 16mp on APS-H, it will be absolutely killer…

Canon eos 7d= $1700. Yes I’ll buy it!!!!!!! I love canon!!! Nikon is for idiots!!

I like it!

So, I bought 5DII. But still have 14 days to return, if 7D will be FF.

Yeh it will, the screen will be flexible and simply roll out of the side.

+1 to that hahaa. yeah i was already firm with my intention of moving to 50D until i saw this gruesome rumor :D

i just started photography, theres still many things i dont know, but could this be a foveon sensor??

one rumor said that it has almost the same pixel density as the 5D . . . ,

18MP/3 = 6MP foveon sensor. . ,

thats quite close to the pixel density of 5D

Well then, a long and interesting thread indeed. Some people are passionate about their specs! And to go as far as to criticize the very company that provides them the very technology they love and use in the 1st place. I for one hail from the film days. Heck, my 3.39 megapixel Nikon Coolpix gets use from time to time. Consider me humble.

I’ve not had a camera that hasn’t let me down when it comes to capturing the memories that are near and dear to me. Just the other day, for fun, I slapped on a $20 EF 35-80mm f/4-5.6 zoom on my 5D mark ii and at 1:1 screen resolution it was tough to find much flaw with it. Heck, it’s sure lighter than my 24-70L. Anyways, point is that this is ALL quality stuff as long as you know what you’re doing. IQ won’t be a deal-breaker for me with the 7D because I’m willing to bet it’s going to be as great as anything before it has been – it looks to have great performance and that’s all I’m concerned with when I fork over my cash.

If the sensor is indeed a 1.45 crop as someone mentioned, where will that put the pixel density, in terms of a 1.6 crop? A 40D, 50D…12mp, 14mp?

This will be a great camera that will be more than enough for at least 95% of photographers out there.

And the rumored price seems to be great as well…another winner for Canon!

How completely ignorant of you.

there already is an iso 100???

i would like iso 50 too!

The point of HIS would be to hand-hold with natural light.

If you are going to use a ring light (or whatever) then you might as well save your money and go with the existing 100mm f/2.8 Macro lens (which is an amazing lens in its own right).

Does anyone else think that these photos look a little more than suspect?

The way the poster is composed doesn’t seem to be pro enough to be a legit poster. Not to mention the button positioning on the back – more of a 10D style than anything in this line they have released recently.

Thanks, You have a point. My original argument did noyt take the maintaining same object size into account. i.e. same object distance for both crop and FF. So I will play with the number and see what will happen.

And $700 uglier, LOL!

DOF doe not deal with area. It is the distance infront and behind the object that are still “sharp”

Please read my reply to the others in this link ad see what mistake that I have made. and also see what is wrong with the DOF calculator

Best for paying for!

“Can someone please point out that more pixels in a small sensor does NOT mean more noise if all you’re comparing images with the same pixel dimensions.”

I have tried to, several times now.

yes I kinda agree.

Personally, I don’t really like the design at all especially on the back.. I’m also curious as to what kind of weather sealing this is going to offer.

Do you care to explain this: Why FF is so great and why APS_C is for Newbies???

>> Newly-designed streamlined body, metallic shutter sound, shutter lifespan approx. 150,000 times

Newly designed body, means probably also new Grip… ?

I like the Metallic sound ;-)

I surely hope that Canon sensor one day can have their green pixel occupy 60%(or whatever the nature percentage of green light is) of the die area–just like S4PRO which is already cease production, though noise wise Canon might not be happy to do that, and have a 16 bit ADC.

Actually if the metallic shutter sound is really good and really loud then I don’t care if it has a sensor or not! ;-)

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