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From Naturfokus
A new review of the 7D has popped up at Naturfokus.
Summary
“Canon 7D combine very good image quality with a fast and accurate AF-system. I think this will be a popular camera for shooting action. The camera is in many ways closer to the 1D Mark III camera, rather than the 5D Mark II, and a good step over the Canon 50D. I think many photo enthusiasts and pros will acquire the 7D camera. In my case, this will be the first 1.6 crop factor camera, I will bring in my photo bag on assignments and expeditions.”
Read More: http://www.naturfokus.info/EN/
thanks Tim
From Jeff Ascough (My favourite wedding photographer)
Jeff had a 7D and has apparently fallen in love. Yes, he's a Canon ambassador so he may be biased. :)
Summary
“It can be hard to deduce any conclusion from a bunch of low resolution jpegs on a blog, but this camera will be my main street/travel camera, there is no doubt about that. It produces lovely, very film like files, with loads of detail and tonal range; I just love the ‘feel' of the files at 1600 iso – they make me feel nostalgic!!”
Read More: http://jeffascough.typepad.com/jeff_ascough_blog/……
Thanks greswolde (via twitter)
cr
No more reviews!! These things are going to be so hard to find… :-)
No kidding!
I want one solely for the build in flash commander… lol
Maybe an upcoming 60D with Digic V will have the commander as well.
I won’t be buying until next year anyway, still need to break in my 40D…
-Mario
i will bring one out! anytime!
I’m still holding out for something close to this AF system in the 5dmk3!
The impression I get from these reports is that the 7D is something of an “exception” among 1.6x crop cameras. Is this simply because of the pro-level features, or do people really feel that the image quality is that much better? From the samples I’ve seen, the IQ is good, but not a huge step above the 50D.
And how does one account for the “film-like” appearance of 7D images, compared to FF or 1.3x crop cameras? Just that it’s grainier? Or slightly softer?
I want it.
I think this has a lot to do with the lack of pattern noise with the 7D. I think Rob G.’s post talked about that. The big issue with a lot of Canon’s cameras at high ISO has been very pronounced banding and the noise was often in a distinct, distracting pattern.
What ever Canon has done with this camera, they seem to have controlled the pattern noise, providing non-uniform noise patterns so that it looks more natural and film-like where the large amounts of grain in high-ISO film was not in a pattern.
It sounds to me like this camera should be (at least) slightly better than my 1D Mark II at high ISO. Going to be hard to decide which body to sell for this baby. Just pre-ordered. Then when the 1D Mark IV comes out next year… :-D
No interchangeable focusing screens = no deal. Stock screen doesn’t really work for manual focusing.
Bring it on!! I want one now!
The 5D line has never been an action/sports camera and probably never will be so you can be pretty certain it will never get a fast action designed AF like the 7D has.
More MK IV info please. Kthxbye.
Thanks CR guy. I have been hungry for moar initial reviews.
I can’t wait until the one I ordered on 9/1/09 arrives. It will replace my 1DMK2. My wife uses a 40D now and whenthe MK4 comes out the 7D will be her mainstay and I will sell the MK2.
why bother buying a consumer dslr that have pro af when you intend to use it as a mf camera?
Its a shame that the screen is not interchangable, the big viewfinder invites MF, and my TS-E lenses are MF, so … super autofocus or not, I must manual focus them. I’ll have to see how well the focus confirmation works when using one of these.
On the other hand, maybe the screen is sealed and won’t let dust into the viewfinder.
It should complement my 5D MK II nicely, being able to share batteries is a definite plus.
It will also be interesting to compare the image quality. For wildlife and sports it should be better, but for landscapes it remains to be seen as to how well it will do.
Wouldn’t LiveView go nicely with the TS-E lenses? That’s what I keep hearing and reviewers keep saying (The-Digital-Picture.com guy loves LiveView with the TS-Es). You can zoom the view on the back to dial that focus in perfectly. Viewfinder can’t do that.
The Naturfokus review seems to be biased as well, as the guy does not seem to know any other brand than Canon. I’m looking forward to comparison of picture quality and AF-system convenience and speed between D300s and 7D. These are the cams that compete in action and sports.
I think I’d stick with a 5DMkII for landscapes for two reasons:
1. still a higher pixel count but lower pixel density
2. higher diffraction point. I’m an advocate against freaking out regarding lens diffraction, but why not minimize it if you can
+1
same setup for me
FYI – the newly release Lightroom 2.5 will open 7D raw files.
the camera is nice thou I would have love an articulating screen or any other non-restricting (flexible angle) digital previewing method. a detachable accessory screen would be best solution, those who want it buy it. those who dont are un affected.
the problem with the swivel is that it eats up a bit of the real estate that would otherwise go to the LCD. so that’s the compromise — more flexibility, less screen area.
for myself I find that I shoot often enough that I can pretty much figure out where the camera is aiming that I can grab a shot I want on the street or over my head even without looking through the viewfinder. it takes practice and thought but it becomes second nature. obviously, this is not something I’d recommend with telephoto lenses.
I am curious to know, amongst users of DSLRs with swivel screens, how often they actually shoot with the screen rotated, tilted, flipped, whatever
if you want an accessory screen, you could use a small lcd (9inch?) or a small dvd player (see here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xQmWPAcaKU -ok he uses a nikon, but it should work on any brand)
Meh.
I’d rather have an excellent LCD than a poor, gimmicky swivel screen.
Now if the could do both I’d be interested.
Well, the 5dmk2/3 goes up against the D700, soon the D700x. The mk3 doesn’t need 8fps, but it absolutely needs to compete with the D700/D700x’s focusing. It’s seriously gimped out right now. If you’re a wedding shooter in low light, there’s no contest. A D700 shooter will get the shot where the mk2 user won’t. It takes insanely great shots, but only when in focus, and that’s tough to get with AF in low light.
So, I could do without all that crazy zone focusing, although it’s definitely drool-worthy. I just want 9+ cross-type AF points. They at least need to have the same AF that 40D/50D users enjoy, ya know? I’m not asking for much!
Ooo, it shares batteries with the mk2? WOoT!
swivel screen is rather gimicky to me… the less moving parts the better
Hmmm, so far I’ve been happy with the fixed screen, for the lack of choice. But actually, in realizing interesting perspectives, I often find myself in situations where I try a shot several times because I cannot look through the VF or see the screen. A swivel screen would certainly support creative picture-taking. I would not like to compromise screen quality or size. I would accept a slightly bulkier body though.
The 5D line and the D700 line are targeted to different types of photographers, while they share a similar price point and FF sensors Canon and Nikon are not trying to appeal to the same photographers. Canon chose to make the 7D their fast semipro camera. Canon expects pro wedding shooters to buy 1Ds3’s, and I have to say, I get clients by showing 30×40 inch prints from a D3 and 1Ds3 side by side so when they ask other photographers what size sensor they are using they come right back to me if the answer is 12 MP.
The 5D2 is not gimped. It does exactly what it is designed for very well. For 3 fps, the AF works just fine. If you want faster fps and an AF that can keep up, the 5D line is not a good choice for you.
the fact that it is any kind of step above the 50D while adding 3 MP and eliminating patterned banding is the point.
but yes, all the other features are awesome and are what seals the deal.
I’m not talking about the fast motion focusing, and I’m not even talking about how all of the 9 AF points are basically bunched towards the center. I’m talking about how it only has one cross-type AF point – the center one. It’s got insanely good low-light image quality, but you can only get those shots when you shoot with manual focus through Live View – even with a fast lens. The center AF point isn’t very practical for portraits of people, unless you’re framing them with their eyes in the center of the frame, which you just don’t do.
I’ve only shot with the mk2, but it seems you get MUCH more with the D700 than you do with the mk2, unless video is important to you. Would you disagree?
No I dont agree. I have no trouble shooting with the 5D2’s AF. I have now used it at events and weddings. Love it. The D700 is half the resolution and only barely marginal low light advantage for the huge drop in MP. The only Nikon I’d buy is the D3x.
Okay, thanks for the response. Like I said, I have almost zero experience with the D700. I haven’t checked out how its low-light focusing is. I really only lose shots with my mk2 when I’m trying to capture my 1.5-year-old moving around in poor light. Admittedly, that’s not what the camera was designed for :).
Everything else is absolutely amazing, and for still (or cooperating) subjects, the Live View with manual (or even AF) is a very strong option.
I guess when I read about Nikon’s AF speed, it’s usually D3 users… Well, I still say they could have included all 9 cross-type AF points. They got it in the 40D 2-3 years ago at a $1200 price point.
I’m done whining :)
The 40D was 6.5 fps so a better AF makes sense. Sure it would be nice if Canon gave us all the 1Ds3 features in a $2700 5D body but that’s never gonna happen. I dont shoot kids in the dark so maybe that’s why the AF isn’t buggin me on the 5D2. As for the position of the focus points, all AF cameras bug me a bit because they should have points located by the rule of the thirds. So no matter what I have to re-adjust my composition most of the time regardless of the camera I’m using.
People are just excited to see a d300 equivalent after waiting for 2 years
Makes sense. Even though there’s plenty of noise at ISO 6400, once downsized for a 4×6 or other small print, it’s not really visible. Whereas banding is often apparent no matter what the size of the image.
I guess for those who crave resolution it may have been worth the wait. Considering the smaller sensor and greater resolution, the pixel density is 70% greater than that of the D300 with similar noise performance.
Has anyone seen any first thoughts on the 15-85mm? I was impressed by some of the samples – it seems to keep up nicely with the 18MP 7D sensor, at least in the center of the frame.
Quite expensive though, constant max aperture would have been nice for that price.
By “lower pixel density” you mean “bigger pixel”
Still a wrong view that “bigger is better”. This does not take into account the evolution of the technology.
Just look at the size of the pixels a few years ago on old Canon (on both FF and 1.6). They were obviously bigger as the sensors were the same size with less diodes. However, the recent sensors are also obviously better than the oldest one (just use DxoMark.com to compare the sensor quality with the pixel size…).
so, to my opinion, it makes no sense to claim that the 5D mark II (or any FF) HAS to be better than a 1.6 crop simply because the pixels are bigger…
The 7D, like the 50D, uses a gapless sensor, which, to any knowledge, does not exist on the 5 D mark II sensor.
So comparing FF and 1.6 crop sensors ONLY makes sense for the SAME number of pixels and the SAME technology.
Dude you are of course quite correct, however megapixel bashers just hate more megapixels no matter what so they dont care if technology has improved – they want smallest file sizes of pictures taken in the dark with no noise and they hate any camera over 12 MP and consider any increase over 12 MP to be an act of war so they make signs and protest on street corners for the megapixel war to end and that Canon should stop dominating the world through higher MP’s. You can’t reason with them. Nice try though.
What bias? Just because he doesn’t compare it to a D300s does not make him biased. Most potential 7D buyers are probably already Canon users and it makes a lot of sense to compare the 7D to other Canon’s so we can see if and how it will fit in with our gear. I don’t give a flying crap about how it compares to a Nikon because I’m not going to buy a Nikon and no amnount of tit for tat feature comparison is going to make me want to switch. For those looking to buy first time and choosing between Canon and Nikon, then find another review that compares them – you’ll probably see a lot more bias there. I found this review very helpful from a practical use standpoint, though some spelling/grammer could be improved, lol.
I miss the swivel screen on my G6. There are clearly times when you cant get the angle you want and see though the viewfinder. Over the railing at the overlook, above the heads of the crowd at an event.
I suspect video makes the swivel screen even more useful. Without a swivel you can shoot several shots and hope one comes out, this would make anyone watching a video sick.
Canon keep claiming that this 7D is as weather tight as an old 1N – But how can it be with a built in pop up flash? Crazy talk, the 1N’s are built like tanks and I know from experience that they can even survive being drowned in salt water and then washed off with fresh – and still soldier on.
I look forward to submitting my warranty claim, probably in the first week!
They’re called seals. The Pentax K7 is almost compltely water proof with 77 seals and it has a popup flash. Canon didnt say its as tough as a 1N, just weather sealed as a 1N, which if they had said its as weather sealed as a 1Ds3 I’d be much happier ;)
my 5d2 focuses better than the xxds i have used. I only use the center point so i could care less about peripheral points i guess…..
Liveview rocks with TS-E lenses. Use it with a 5d2+24tse all the time.
“Joe Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
FYI – the newly release Lightroom 2.5 will open 7D raw files.”
The document from Adobe doesn’t say anything about the 7D. I don’t think this is correct unless the document was written prior to the official 7D announcement. Since it was just released you would think Adobe would have updated their documentation.
I hope that Canon will work on its dynamic range algorithm, because some of the review samples has got some highlight area washouted, and I think Canon can do better.
Try it. It DOES work. I’ve opened samples myself.
So does the Adobe DNG converter.
I hope that in the future Canon chooses better to whom they will give prototype cameras.. You know, maybe give them to photographers who know how to properly expose an image?
you´re so right!
so far NONE of the camera models offers this option. but technically it shouldn´t be a big deal to move the AF-sensors to the crossings of the rule of the thirds lines.
the problem may be that the developers aren´t photographers, but engineers who don´t care to much about art. they are more interested in an overloaded list of specs…
my above comment was meant to support David´s opinion, of course
Please join the rest of us in the 21 century; we now have this thingy called “LiveView”
Lol…what else can you expect from a canon ambassador?
eos 7d is not weathersealed. but has environmental protection. canon believes weathersealing can be done only in 1D bodies.
I also would have loved to see a swivel screen. This would have been a nice option. If you don´t want to use it just let it be attached to the camera completely. For those who prefer to look through the viewfinder and use the screen only rarely it´s good to have it reversed so that the LCD isn´t affected by scratches or so.
But there is an interesting alternative to the swivel screen, which I´m very curious of: the possibility to use a mobile device like an iPOD/iPhone or similar. Remember the on1-solution for a remote control? This should work on a 7D WITHOUT an additional computer/netbook whatever. The only thing you need is the WFT-E5A. The outcoming solution will be exciting, I guess.
Reviews are not only for “David”s. They are for everybody. 7d was launched as d300 killer when finally canon woke up after 2 years. so naturally people expect to see the comparisons in reviews. whole world and their mother in law knows how canon ambassadors review canon products.
Via http://twitter.com/LR_Tom/status/4010132137
“LR2.5, CR5.5 include preliminary support for Canon 7D, G11 and S90. Preliminary = files open but we are not close to final quality.”
(LR_Tom is the Product Manager for Lightroom at Adobe.)
The reason I’m replacing my 50D with the 7D is the new AF. I would buy a 5DMk3 *today* if it came with the same type of AF system the 7D has.
Being a “pro” sports shooter… I have a slightly different take on the 7D…
With increased MgPix I can now shoot in poor light with a 70-200 2.8 at 200 and as long as I get the player in focus I now can take what will be 18 mgpix for the entire frame and use only the center, say 8 mgpix and produce a nice 16×20 poster (or bigger)… which is what I’m now doing when I’m able to shoot in great light during the day with my 1DMk2 using the full frame’s worth of mgpix… The added mgpix gives me essentially “throw away” mgpix… I WELCOME this camera for this purpose alone! 1.6 vs 1.3 PLUS added mgpix PLUS higher ISO and reduced noise… now if they’ve “fixed” the AF (vs. the Mk3) this should be a delight to shoot with!
No matter what is the theoretically calculated diffraction limit the practical considerations are quite different. For example, according to The Digital Picture theoretical DLA for EOS 50D is f/7.6 so if your main hobby is taking pictures of very faint lines and tiny specs of light that tend to occupy a single pixel of sensor it probably looks bad. In practice however, there is very little if any loss of resolution between f/5.6, f/8 and f/11 (http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/423-canon_24105_4_50d?start=1). Similarly with EOS350D that has theoretical DLA at f/10 or so, but its resolution (lens permitting!) is still more than acceptable at f/16, decent at f/22 (http://www.ophrysphotography.co.uk/pages/tutorialdiffraction.htm) and dropping quite dramatically only at f/ (http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/167-canon-ef-100mm-f28-usm-macro-test-report–review?start=1). Even so, at f/22 it only requires some additional sharpening to make the image quality quite acceptable.
Lens diffraction is not such a bogeyman as it’s made out to be.
If Canon “woke up” with the 7D, than Nikon’s still in a coma. The D300s is a joke. A two year old construction with a filming function that is hopelessly outdated. If Nikon were manufacturing their own sensors the D400 would already be on the market.
LiveView has its uses but obviously does not replace manual focusing.
@Why I buy AF cameras? Because Canon doesn’t manufacture a “manual focus 5D2” with fully reflective mirror and proper VF magnification. If they did, I would buy it. At least combining the Eg-S with the Nikon DK-21M magnifier (1.2x) sort of works.
“LiveView has its uses but obviously does not replace manual focusing.”
Please, do explain. LiveView does not replace anything, it is a tool that allows something. LiveView is simply a bigger, brighter viewfinder with zoo capability so in fact it is a perfect tool for manual focusing, it was never intended to “replace it”, it is intended to facilitate it.
I know about what you and “stkr” describe (there is also Epson P7000 thethered shooting with LV DSLRs). All these are interesting solutions but they are afterthought ones that suffer from some incompatibility or implementation issues, unlike when it is something designed for the camera by its original manufacturer. The WFT is just too expensive, when the 40D was new, its WFT was as expensive as the camera itself. Remote Live View (camera connected to computer) is too cumbersome and not an option at all for some types of photography (street ~ for example).
There should be an optional accessory of integrated remote control + viewing screen, compact and easy to use in all situations. Canon makes its own photo viewers called the M80 & M30, why not develop these so that they can do this function?!
I don’t understand why so many people whine about swivel LCD and only on Canon products, G11 and D5000 has, go get one. If G11 and D5000 is not enough for you, maybe you should consider a tilt lense which is called TS-E series.
are you Mark I, II or III?
I no doubt that ISO 1600 in 7D feels nostalgic. If digital cameras continue reducing the high ISO quality, we’ll be sooner than later back to the film era high ISO performance.
Good news about the LR 2.5 opening the 7D RAW files. As soon as my camera arrives I will be able to process with little hassel.
Patience – remember we are speaking of ISO 1600!!! In film days we had IQ issues beginning with with ISO 400. ISO 1600 was unheard of!
“LiveView […] obviously does not replace manual focusing.”
Why not, and to whom is it obvious?
The 7D has a few features that are more advanced than the D300 but substantially more that are only finally catching up.
Even f/4.5 at the long end would have been nice, as it is the price is almost too much to swallow IMO.
It works, colour’s a bit whacky though.
Except that it hasn’t reduced high ISO quality…
D300s is just a video upgrade for d300 to keep up with the market.
for sure it must have better features as it is competing with a 2 year old product.
It will be available…just be different name. It will be 1D. 5D is not a sports camera segment. canon is very particular about market segmentation.
So if the 1DMk2 series goes FF, will you be content to use the crop of the 7D for the times when you really need it?
Well that’s my point. They aren’t keeping up with the market. If they were, we would be looking at previews of the D400.
It’s ignorant to say it took Canon two years to come up with a worthy competitor of the D300. Up until recently Nikon and Canon didn’t compete head to head in the lower end market. Nikon D60 was cheaper (and simpler) than Canon 400D, the 40D was cheaper than the D300 etc. This was NOT a coincidence. Now, gloves seem to be off. The result is the 7D.
I’ve been impressed with almost every single model Nikon has released since late 2007. Today, however, it’s obvious Nikon has lost the momentum.
Let’s reconvene in about a year. If the 7D hasn’t outsold the D300s, I’ll eat my tripod.
Waiting for mine too: Sold my 40D already and pre-ordered.
Did not regard the 50D as a worth while upgrade from the 40D (Ah – there I go too. I should have compared it to a Nikon) but the 7D is definately a huge step forward. I am not getting it for the video but seeing as it is there- great.
Will be a very good partner to my 1D3 – yes, those useless things that cannot focus as good as a 1D2 or any of the nikons.
PS, if ever you actually meet a 1D3 shooter who complains about AF performance, agree with him/her. Then convince them to sell you that piece of $#%t. Thats how I got mine for under $2000. Amazing how it repaired itself and works perfectly with all of my lenses (even without micro-adjustment). Can not figure out why…..
Marc,
I did consider what you are saying as I was writing the comment about the lower pixel density.
I think we’ll wait for the final reviews to come out and see whether the color rendition of the 7D can equal that of the 5DMkII at low ISOs.
I’d be happy as a hog if the 7D’s 1.6x sensor managed to deliver equal quality as the 5DMkII … since I’ve already decided to spend my money on the 7D and not the 5D
Cameras are tools for me. I use what I need to get the shot. I rarely am as close or get as tight as I’d really like to be able to… I’d LOVE to have to zoom OUT instead of just leaving the lens at full zoom and shooting away. It’s very rare that I can’t get far enough away… :) Full Frame is good for some situations but they’re not going to give you a “better” product, the camera just has a different potential use…
When you’re comparing a full frame vs. a crop frame you have to consider what you actually get with the crop… The math tells the story… 200mm 2.8 on a full frame is 200mm. 200mm on a 1.6 is 320mm effective. I just gained 120mm standing in the same spot just changing bodies. Full frame is great for wide angle, the crop body should be used as a tool given the merits of what you can “gain” from it.
Trust me, I’m absolutely salivating over what they might do with the new 1D body based on the “improvements” that the 7D brought but I’m REALLY anxious to get my hands on a 7D to see what I might be able to “gain” by using the crop body with the added mgpix.
All of that aside, I have to go back to my first statement… a camera is a tool for me, same as a nail gun for a framing contractor. I will use what’s going to help me get the shot that my customer wants to buy. This new camera has presented an interesting concept of “wasting” pixels for me but still allowing me to get the same types of shots. We’ll see how it goes!
Also, the 1Dmk3 was/is “retail” priced at $4000 (although not the “street” price). That’s a three year old price… the 7D “retail” is only $1700. That means I can have two 7Ds for the LESS than one 1Dmk3. These “tools” for me have become disposable. Use them up and discard/sell them because the next “best” thing is going to be “better” and possibly cheaper. I have to take that into account too. Rated at 150k shutter actuations (Canon reps will tell you they surpass that by a long way…) that means that I can burn them up and get the newer model when it comes out… you know, just what Canon wants to hear! :)
I think there is a group of people who would prefer that Canon consider putting more emphasis on improving dynamic range and high ISO performance compared to the pixel count, because they would like those things more than increased resolution. They would like to experience these “full frame benefits” without the full frame cost.
That said, I think Canon has established a policy of maintaining IQ at about the same level while increasing resolution as technological advancements permit.
The 7D makes sense for pros because it offers “crop” images at huge resolution, equivalent to 46MP FF. Meaning you really do get extra detail compared to manually cropping a 21MP FF image.
But that’s no consolation to those who can’t afford FF, which is currently the only option to obtain superior high ISO performance.
Explain to me again how a sheep’s bladder may be employed to prevent earthquakes?
Or a TS-E to replace a swivel screen?
These were exactly my thoughts more than a year ago!
You´re absolutely right about compatibility – 100% is only possible having stuff from the original manufacturer. but i do hope that the iPhone solution is working fine, althoug it´s an expensive solution.
Imagine a detachable screen with all the functions you mentioned and more (RC, Timer,…) PLUS some GB of storage volume (why not?) If it could be integrated into the camera it would make the camera a bit bulkier, but also extremely flexible. There would be a bunch of new opportunities…
No kidding! I learned the rule of thirds for photographic composition when I was 13, and it’s been around since at least 1797 AD, yet I’ve not seen any AF camera with focus points lined up to the proper cross points. I only need five focus points, one in the center and one at each of the one third cross points.
I got it, thanks ;)
Yeppers
I just dont shoot in the dark all that much. I rarely need ISO over 800. I’m not saying I dont want good high ISO ability but I care most about delivering the best overall image to my clients, and max image size is a part of that. The 7D fits in nicely with my 1Ds3 & 5D2, at 18 MP it’s not too far off. If Canon had done what MP bashers want and dropped it down to 10 MP it would be a useless camera to me. I shoot Canon because Canon gets the concept that image size is a factor of quality.
I think Canon is increaing IQ not just maintaining it. The 7D is the best APS-C image I’ve seen so far. Add the fact it is also 18 MP and that is awesome.
MP haters should just buy Nikons given they’ve already bought their marketing propaganda that 12 MP is all people need (except of course the D3x users).
Reviews can be written by anyone for any intended market. Are you the review police, Mark? lol. I’m sure there will be plenty of Nikon/Canon comparisons out there for “everyone.”
I stand by my opinion the bulk of potential 7D buyers already own Canon glass and a review that puts the 7D in context with Canon’s lineup is more useful than how it stacks up against cameras I dont give a crap about.
Also I stand by my opinion that calling this review biased because they are not comparing it to Nikon is ludacris.
There are not many good DSLR swivel screens out there at this point. Nikon’s swivel down making tripod use impossible, and it just seems weird. I like the G11 style flip out better.
I don’t agree about the real estate comment. They fit a 2.8 inch LCD on the G11 which is smaller camera. They even could add more buttons and controls to the back behind the LCD if it flipped out like a camcorder LCD.
Not buying people’s “it’ll break” beliefs either. I have flip out screens on my G1 and numerous camcorders, never broken any of them.
You, sir, are hereby awarded the most sensible post in this thread medal.
Great! I can put it right between my Grumpy Old Geezer of the Year award and my Pissed Off The Most People in a Blog Comment award!
hehe
On Canon’s 7D web page: “the camera’s seals are built to resist water and dust”
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=19356#ModelFeaturesAct
ROTFLMAO
Wow, which is gonna be your primary body?
“If digital cameras continue reducing the high ISO quality, we’ll be sooner than later back to the film era high ISO performance.”
YMMV obviously but I am not a member of the High ISO Church, do not belong to the High ISO Cabala and am against the High ISO Cult. To put it simply I do not really care for high ISO performance and it’s definitely one of least important camera specs that I look that. I’m sure there are people out there who actually need ISO3200 or higher to shoot pictures (kinda makes me wonder what they used to do in the olden days of film cameras) but I personally take the absolute majority of my pictures at ISO100-400 or so and only occasionally use a higher setting – and as much as I hate it when people make sweeping, all-encompassing statements I dare say that most casual/amateur shooters are the same. It’s nice to have some kind of high ISO option at one’s disposal but for me it’s definitely not something that makes or breaks a camera.
With the new technology and other upgrades (assuming they add up to improved image quality) what should we see in the 60D when it arrives? In other words, what pieces and parts are we likely to see in the model below this exciting new DSLR? Will Canon pull a “Rebel” and bring the 60D into the fold with many if not most of the 7D features?
I second That, with over 5 different lenses from canon and knowing canon reputation and after owning a powershot sx10is and a rebel xsi, there’s no doubt at all that this is the camera lots of us have been waiting for, i myself had a sentiment about EOS systems and almost betrayed canon by switching to the dark side, but thanks to CR and a 6 months wait we finnaly got what we asked for …yessssss !
Canon EOS 7D, love the slogan too !
Designed by You …. Made by Canon !
AHHHH …EOSSSSSSSSS !
Sorry NIKON !
After the 7D who the heck would want a 60D ? …save your dought dude and get the 7D (unless the 60D goes FF ..LOL )
listen to me … if the 7D goes just 150 dollars cheaper in the next 6 months canon is goint to make billions selling this pc of art, is going to be every DSLR upgraders dream whishlist ! hold your savings, u wont regret waiting a little longer, look at the 50d owners, now they have to ebay their pcs to get their hands on the 7d … jejeje , thanks god i held up on the 50d and skipped that one !
I think it will be a 50D with 1080p video, maybe Digic V.
FF, lol that would be funny.
Remarkably those who don’t like swivel appear only on discussions about cameras that dont have it and specifically when some like me ask for the feature to be added. But once added you’ll hear way much more satisfied users than unhappy ones.
Among the strangest justification we often read that swivel shouldn’t be added is that more moving parts mean more vulnerability to breakage. Certainly it is not more likely to break when left on the traditional position all the time than a fixed LCD. on the contrary, as often replied to this myth, the reversed position of an articluting panel provides protectin to it.
I am currently using a Digital Rebel/300D and have been thinking of upgrading. I had looked at the XSI and then the 50D. I ruled out the XSI because I wanted a faster frame rate and a higher end and less toy like model. When researching the 50D it seemed not to have the image quality I was looking for and I was/am interested in the video function. I was expecting the 60D but Canon release the 7D, which from the specs and previews looks fantastic. When the 7D is “out” and I can see some reviews and samples as well as view one at a store, I will be better able to decide. But, even though it may be a fantastic camera, $1600 is still a fair amount of money to spend on a DSLR. If the 60D were to borrow most of the new technology and be price around $1000-1100, it would be more in my range.
I heard that from an engineer friend that that is some kind of “soft connection” which is doomed to break in a certain amount of time same same as any other movable thing in the world but more likely so because there must be some really thin wires and their connections involved. For example, how many times can you open and close notebook computer’s LCD lid? The number is certainly indefinite, I heard that a properly designed and manufactured ones are rated for 20,000 times. I have seen people repair his G6 LCD. Though it costs small amount of money to repair and replace LCD, but it is pain in the neck to go service center every few years.
I open and close swivel LCD screens on my camcorder many times a day and have yet to have it wear out. My old G1 swivel screen still works great too. I dont buy this wear argument for a second. 20,000 times is a lot, that’s 55.5 years doing it once a day, and laptop LCD is gonna be a lot more wear from the larger/heavier screen.
You heretic! How could you desecrate the High ISO Church with such blasphemy? lol
If you dont need the extra 2 fps and 3 MP, I suspect the 60D will be a cleaner noise 15 MP with video in a 50D type of body, might wanna wait for it if you dont have the 7D funds.
Hello, friend. I think it this way:
Let’s do some maths.Open and close are 2 times. Say 8 times a day, because you will change angel things like that. If the rating of 20,000 times is correct and you use it everyday. It will be like 20,000/365/8=6.8(years) minus the bumping and squeezing it will take in travelling(like road transportation and by air)
“After the 7D who the heck would want a 60D ?”
Any non-pro who does not want to spend a lot of money on features that are not all that important for a non-pro, amateur, “prosumer” user. 60D should be feature-poorer and cheaper version of 7D – no environmental sealing, no wireless flash trigger, perhaps lower res sensor, perhaps fewer video options, slower frame rate, all of those features are “extras” and you pay for them, I see no point paying for features that I’m not going to use.
Well, try this link
http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00HFoM
what David said, or:
you could get the 50D. I’ve compared 50D shots against my friends’ 40Ds and my own 30D and there is nothing to suggest the 50D’s image quality is inferior.
if you look at the 50D reviews on Amazon, they are hugely and overwhelmingly positive regarding its functionality and image quality. the people I know who bought 50Ds and actively shoot with them also have no qualms about having done so.
if the 7D hadn’t come out, or had been disappointing, I was ready to get a 50D myself.
OK, so 6.8 years still makes one very outdated camera. My G1 is 9 years old now, they’re at G11 now, still works great even with its swivel screen. I dont use it anymore because my little SD500 beats the pants off it.
However, both my kids use it, and it’s become the kid camera of the family for the past 4 years. And you know how kids are, rough, it gets dropped, banged and treated much worse than I treated it…so you can quote engineering estimates at me all day long and if its 6 years or 55 years, the fact is having the swivel has not made the camera or any of my camcorders more prone to breaking.
Blog comments? How is that authoritative on the issue? We have plenty of personal opinion right here. lol
Obviously the 7D is not as weather sealed as a 1D series. But to say it does not have weather sealing is just untrue. Look at the Canon link again, it even shows neat little pictures of the seals around the camera.
Exactly. I have a 50D, great camera. I didnt suggest this because he wanted video.
Until recently the G6 was the was the wife’s camera but I got her a Lumix ZS1. I honestly think the pictures from the G6 that is several years old look better but it is hard to argue with 12X zoom and HD video that can fit in your pocket. The G6 is still a bit large.
I have had no issues with the G6 swivel screen after almost 5 years and ~10,000 shots but have to admit it has spent 90% of its life in one position.
My children are still quite young and rough. If the G6 could survive 1 month with them I would call it indestructible, but I am not confident enough to try. Instead it spends its time on a shelf usefully collecting dust.
There you have it. 2 case studies that together definitively prove swivel screens are not prone to failure.
I’d have bought a G11 as they added the swivel back but they left off the HD video, not spending that kinda money to not have at least 720p on it.
another 7d review
http://www.parkcameras.com/article/185/Canon-EOS-7D-Hands-on-Preview.html?referrer=newsletter
keep up the good work.
cheers
I an very curious to find a reasonable explanation to the frame rate drop in low light conditions.
Forum links:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/823708/0
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=759335
Also mentioned in the mini review:
http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-7d-mini-review/ (slowdown of the frame rate).
IMHO, the argument “frame rate is sacrificed in favor of metering accuracy” is deceiving because the slowdown is showing, also, in manual mode. Locking exposure works as a workaround. Manual mode (the equivalent to locking exposure) does not work.
I don’t own a 7D. I’d like one, but hidden flaws like this one is discouraging.
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