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Not much, but something
I've been told a couple of things about the 60D by a decent source that surfaces every so often.
1) The sensor will be the 18mp CMOS sensor, not the 13.8mp sensor from a previous rumor.
2) There will be a new feature in the 60D that isn't available anywhere else in the lineup. No word on what that is. GPS?
3) The camera is nearing it's first production run and is in final testing right now.
Not much, but appreciated.
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I’m getting tired of the these high MP cameras that can’t handle even ISO 400 properly. Canon just make a really good camera that can handle High ISO as well as Nikon does? I’m not asking for something like ISO 3200 looking like ISO 200 but usable.
I’m getting tired of my Nikon friends trying to get me to “switch” behind Canon’s insistence on using MP as a marketing tool.
I’ve had no problems shooting up to ISO 1000 on my 40D. But then again I’m not printing.
Makes sense.
I wonder what it will not have that the EOS 7D does have.
I highly doubt the new feature will be GPS. What I would like to see is the Movie Crop function that can be “zoomed in” from 1x-7x, as opposed to the two-step implementation on the EOS 550D/EOS Rebel T2i/EOS Kiss X4, as well as a 2x or more digital teleconverter for the HD modes (the VIXIA/LEGRIA/iVIS HF “S” series has a 1.7x teleconverter, and the PowerShot SX1 IS has a 2x, both in Full HD).
And I would very much like to see the Tv/Av movie modes and manual audio from the EOS 5D Mark II Version 2.0.3/2.0.4 firmware update come to the EOS 7D and EOS-1D Mark IV. After all, Canon U.S.A. did headline the EOS-1D Mark IV as “INTRODUCING THE ULTIMATE MULTIMEDIA IMAGING SOLUTION: THE NEW CANON EOS-1D MARK IV DIGITAL SLR CAMERA”, so, naturally, it should have the “multimedia” features of the EOS 5D Mark II, especially since it costs about twice as much! The EOS 7D costs nearly as much as the EOS 5D Mark II, so it’d be nice to have them there too, but I shan’t throw a tantrum if they’re not implemented in the cheaper model.
I’m going to call an articulated LCD screen.
You read my mind.
A T2i interior with a 7d exterior
Sounds plausible, given this has features few of us want, which tends to be Canon SOP most of the time.
And 6fps burst.
I want to know what the EOS 60D will not have that the EOS 7D does have.
Unfortunately 18 MPs sounds more realistic than 13.8!
i think Canon looses another chance of creating a truly fantastic camera.
Touch-screen, to compete with the one found in the Panasonic Lumix DMC-G2?
That would be gimmicky, but useless for me.
The camera is nearing it’s first production run and is in final testing right now.
So does this mean within a month it will be release?
It may come with touch screen display :)
I think it will be good just depends on what you want. Probably some sort of video capabilities too. Probably shoots around 3fps. For a step up from a rebel it could be a reasonable choice for some.
This rumor is too general. If they’re going to leak something, why not actually say what the new feature is?
Photo or didn’t happen. Don’t care if it’s a CR2.
So where does this thing line up, between the 550 and 7 I guess? Is there a need for something in the bracket?
Anyways
My guess, the movie features from the 550 with the AF and drive from the 7 and maybe the metering from the 5, with the new feature being an OLED flip screen.
ohh hows does a electronic view finder grab ya?
Great! Now I can change settings with my BIG nose.
This is kinda strange to me. I always thought that a manufacturer would announce a new product right around the first production run, and then have the products in retail stores about a month later.
Articulated screen it shall be.
Check this out….
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_60D.html
It says “60D will be announced in May and available in June. “
Then again the 40D is 10MP
The AF system.
According to Northlight there will be new lenses that are a “direct answer to customer demand”. NICE!!!
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_new_lenses.html
I have no problems shooting, looking at, or printing ISO6400 from my 7D, and my 7D handles 6400 far better than a D300s…And at lower ISOs 18 megapixels does indeed make a hefty difference…
Maybe stop drinking the kool-aid at your friends house, and start looking at things beyond 100% crops all the time, I really dont give a toss what it looks like at 100%, I give a toss about what my prints and output look like…And anything Canon has is easily as good as Nikon’s (The ONLY exception to this is the 1D4 vs D3s, in which case yes Nikon is really a lot better there, But You’re not a 1D4 or D3s customer or else you’d be out shooting, not here whining about MP)
Previous XXD series have been around 6fps. They won’t make it 3fps suddenly.
What?
At the same output size, the newer cameras are all better than the older cameras.
And don’t forget that the Canon EOS-1D Mark IV is pretty darn incredible – just not as incredible as the Nikon D3S.
I don’t want a touch-screen on an EOS.
Especially since the EOS 550D/EOS Rebel T2i/EOS Kiss X4 shoots at 3.7fps.
I sure hope not!
Makes sense. I think the conjecture of an 11-point autofocus array makes sense, considering that the 9-point all cross-type system is two or three generations old already.
It grabs me, and I’ll give it a knuckle sandwich.
No EVF for me, thanks.
In camera IS. To make canons lens line up even more useful to beginner amateurs :-)
eye sensor AF from EOS3
Seems too high-end.
Instead of GPS, I hope it is built in flash control (similar to the 7D) but with high speed sync capability like when using a 580EXii as a command unit. (that would take a lot of weight off my camera and give me an extra flash for free!)
The sweet viewfinder and pro-grade weathersealing
Not true. AF will be better. T2i does not have same AF or AA processing. I bet 60d will have same AF technology w/ fewer points. AA will probably be same as 7d.
This seems consistent w/ the rumors that they will try to tie the marketing into the FIFA Worldcup. Maybe?
That would seem to make no sense for xxD line, imho. That is a pro feature. For this segment they need to go w/ “optimized for video” etc.
I’m sure whatever the screen design, it will have the new 2:3 format as on the T2i. That is the best screen on any mainstream DSLR handsdown.
I think it will have a new processor
very good idea you have
a pro feature? nikon has it in their same line of cameras
I’ve said it before & I’ll say it again:
10 May 2010 is the 10 year anniversary of the XXD series, and the 10 year anniversary of in-house Canon DSLRs.
Expect to see a significant announcement.
Digic V? Articulated OLED screen? Built-in GPS or Wifi?
Who knows what we’ll see, but certainly something new.
Hopefully not just a gimmick.
Fair point (I assume your refer to d90). However, I feel that Canon is going to appeal to the consumer demand for video in this mid-segment that hasn’t had really good video. d90 video is just ok. Time will tell.
How about a backlit sensor with pixel binning? That would get me interested in buying a new camera :-)
What’s your source May 10th date? That deserves further investigation.
Ah, of course.
Dream on…
3:2
Maybe EOS 7D Mark II and EOS 70D.
what about an articulated screen?
I bought 2 EOS 40D bodies to avoid the high megapixel count which will not be used by my lenses …
But perhapsthe 60D will have a sRAW mode which gives you and me the 10 MPixels? The output should be much cleaner than that of the 18 MPixel RAW and the 40D RAW. Because the have 2 sensor dots per final pixel instead of only 1 sensor dot per final pixel.
2:3, now that would be innovation :-)
According to Wikipedia, May 17th 2000 was the official announcement date for D30. That was the first Canon DSLR that was developed in house (previous models were developed with Kodak and did not use Dxx naming convention). May 17th 2010 is a monday.
According to Wikipedia, May 17th 2000 was the official announcement date for D30. That was the first Canon DSLR that was developed in house (previous models were developed with Kodak and did not use Dxx naming convention). May 17th 2010 is a monday and would be the 10 year anniversary of Canon DSLR. Thoughts?
So, you started the 13.8 MP dream camera?
All your assertions are nicely dispelled here: http://pixinfo.com/cikkek/dslr_evolution.3
In the above tests, the 18 MP 7D beats out cameras from the 6 MP 10D to 15 MP 50D, from 6 MP D100 to 12 MP D300.
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think that’s quite right. The resulting image might be smaller, but the physical sensor is still the same 18mp. It’s the same as taking a 18MP image and resizing afterwords. That would still use multiple sensor dots per pixel, but you don’t have to shoot in sRaw to do it.
And yes, the smaller image will have less noise, but only because it has less detail. A larger resolution image may have more noise, but it is smaller noise and won’t always be seen, depending on your output medium.
Also, yes it is true that if Canon made a new 10MP camera today, it would probably have better low light performance than a new 18MP camera, but it isn’t really apples to apples when compared to older cameras. Sensor technology does improve over the years. Do you think that the high ISO on a 3MP D30 is way better than a 10MP 40D? It probably isn’t due to the advancement in sensors.
Won’t be an articulated screen as that has been provided on the G6. The new feature not seen on any other Canon camera will be sensor-based IS that is compatible with EF lens IS.
I believe Canon has a habit of announcing new cameras on Tuesdays. Then again, they can always make an exception for a very special / auspicious date.
Doubt it.
My guess is a new direct to print button
It doesn’t say ‘has ever been offered’. It seems to imply not in their current lineup, right? So, does any current Canon model have an articulated screen?
Duh, Dude… how soon you forget… the G11.
The new feature got to be GPS, it’s exactly what I don’t need.
In order to squeeze the 60D into the lineup, there needs to be some differentiation… so it will focus more on movies, with 7D more on stills/sports.
What will the 7D retain? Artificial horizon overlay, better AF system with more points, 100% viewfinder, better weathersealing… maybe flash controller… features that would make a “pro” shooter shell out the extra cash.
So 60D specs? Maybe a single Digic V processor, 6fps, 95% viewfinder, articulating screen, dumbed-down AF system from 7D with less points… enough to boost it over the 550D, while not encroaching on 7D sales.
I noticed in the latest Outdoor Photographer that an article about rethinking High ISO Images mentioned the author had a Canon EOS 7D and EOS-1D Mark IV on the trip. But if I recall correctly, none of the examples of what he could do with High ISO were made with the 7D. I would have expected for at least one to be exhibited from the 7D. Was it an oversight or was the 7D so far behind the Mark IV and the Nikon D3 and D3s the others were shooting that he didn’t include them?
In the article he showed 1600 and 2500 ISO images. So I guess ISO 3200 is a realistic limit even on the higher end Canon bodies.
I am getting very excited about the 60D, but hoping there is a break through on the sensor. I was stoked hearing it was 13.8 (with the hopes of beating the 7D by a stop). Oh well….
Same here!
If they properly binned 2×2 pixels, then the noise in the resulting larger pixel would be about half.
It might have an improved version of the 7D sensor after all the 5D mark II and a better version of the sensor in the 1Ds mark III.
The 1D Mark 4 is 16 Mpix on 1.3 crop, the D3s is 12 Mpix on FF. Why the xyz the 1.6 crops canon gives us are 18 Mpix, do they have shares in companies making memory cards? Starting to loose my sense of humor!!
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Image-Quality-Database/Compare-cameras/%28appareil1%29/329|0/%28appareil2%29/336|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Canon/%28brand2%29/Nikon
please please take a look at normalised results AND non normalsed ones.
the latest gen of canon APSC sensors outperform the nikon ones imo. better dynamic range. similar SNR ratios same tonal range. loses out on colour sensitivity but hey…
look stop whining. canon whiners make me sick go read some reviews. the 7d’s output is similar to the d300s. when you downsize it to 12 mp. when its at 18mp? at low isos its even better. at high isos, it does very similarly well.
Thank god the 13 mpix was not true, but it was obvious anyway.
lol sure, and my grandma is a car.
I had two strong ones now. Last hope, maybe a “6D”.. 18 Mpix 1.3 crop sensor, fit in between 7D and “5D3”, can switch to 1.6 crop (new feature) for use of EF-S lenses like D700 (FX-DX). Guess this can be called CR-OH.
what’s your porblem with beginners? as if an body IS was only usefull for beginners 0_o
i reaaaaly hope it’s GPS, that would be awesome. the flash is useless in the xxD, there would be very few people who would need and use it.
i think if that thing about the feature really was true, it can only be GPS. and that would be so awesome!
too bad for you. it’s going to be awesome!
The flip screen sounds right and usefull, but its probally also got 2 digic 4’s to get the fast throughput, so there is some spare processing capacity too – software features.
It will be an articulated screen. The new EF-S 60mm IS USM will also be announced at the same time. Their “theme” this time will be “Macro.”
what “theme”?
I would like to have a small body (something like Nikon’s D90). If that was the case then I would buy for sure. I don’t mind it being a 5FPs Camera.
Regarding the MPs, I would advice people to actually use their cameras and take pictures instead of wondering around the forums and tech sites.
Oh crap! I love the 7D sensor, I used it and it’s incredible, but I’m sick of not having a choice! If i want to stay in APS-C Then I have to have the same IQ from all the lineup. C’mon Canon, be creative and make something new. Why dont they just make a smaller sensor with better hi ISO than that already good 7D and make it a killer. This will appeal to all users, even 7D users.
Yes, but it would be a 4,5MP photo for a 18MP sensor (sRAW probably).
On the other side, 10MP mRAW from 5DMkII and 7D aren’t even close to 40D sharpness, i followed them beacause it will be not a problem to me to shoot only in mRAW if the IQ would be better than 40D RAW’s.
If 18MP is correct, that’s really a very bad news.
I’ve waited the 50D, the 7D, the 550D and now the 60D. I’m not switiching to 2000D even if it keeps low the MP, so it’s a dead end.
The D300s got a mixed result in DR having more range at low ISO and less at high ISO. D300s gots better S/N, tonal range, color sensitivity and 7D is better?
Let’s take a peek adding the 40D in the comparison.
http://bit.ly/c2PWb4
1EV to 1/3 EV of advantage in S/N, same DR, more tonal range and much more color sensitivity; that’s why many doesn’t want 18MP.
It has no sense to not use the sensor for what it is, and 100% crops on the 18MP sensors are really poor, so why going so deep in pixels density? ‘Cause photos “seems” good viewed at the same dimension? Give me a camera that returns usable 100% crops, so that i can shoot wildlife quietly good using a 300, with the 1,4x on.
I want more DR, higher S/N ratio and a good AF, i don’t need more than 12-13MP, or i would simply buy a 5DMkII.
Why? you ask. Take a look at any advertisement for a digital camera. There are usually three things listed: the make, the number of megapixels and the price. Like it or not, “megapixels” sell cameras and Canon is in the business of selling cameras.
It’s like the MHz/GHz wars of CPUs from a few years ago. That industry has now moved to counting “cores”. Cameras will do the same: they’ll probably not go much over 20Mp (on camera phones, too!) and then they’ll come up with some other simple “number of somethings” with which to rank them. You can already see them emphasising zoom ratios, wide angle focal lengths, scene modes, HD video resolutions, etc. more than before. However, none of these are as catchy for the average punter as “megapixels”.
The problem is that there is no simple figure that expresses image quality. Different people also have different priorities. Perhaps they need to have two scales: one for resolution and one for light gathering. Then they can advertise “4 details and 9 darks” and we can choose whether we want “details” or “darks” when comparing models. It would be a bit like comparing cars by BHP and MPG; very different units with trade-offs to be made between them.
A 2010 BMW beats a 10-year old VW… surprise!
Or one new Digic 5.
Right next to the new direct still image button.
Unfortunately. 13.8 MP sounded like too reasonable a compromise to be true.
That would be a sure reason to NOT buy it and move up to the 7D line.
Because that way they get a week of everybody speculating. Then they leak what the feature is, and they get another week of free publicity of everybody comparing the leaked feature with their speculations/wish lists… Pretty reasonable marketing, I think ;-)
No. It *might* be a direct answer to what Canon’s Marketing division *thinks* customers will buy. Most likely it will be a mix of that, and of what Marketing *wishes* and *dreams* what customers will buy.
Which would lead to people buying cheaper non-IS lenses.
All kinds of compromises like putting body-IS only into beginner bodies and not the higher lines would prevent people from upgrading to more expensive equipment because all of a sudden they loose their beloved IS (because the bought only non-IS lenses)…
Talk about shooting yourself into the foot.
Or make it 10 years and one day….
Very useful for traveling. And this camera line will be used on a lot of people’s holidays.
For me, articulated screen and GPS are the most likely candidates for the “new” feature.
3200 ISO on the FF 5D MkII is barely usable, IMHO. In general, I don’t use my 5D MkII over 800 ISO.
For the 60D with 18 million tiny tiny pixels I do not expect any miracles concerning high ISO.
1 – Developing a new sensor costs money. Why do that if you can reuse an existing sensor?
2 – A lot of customers still don’t get the fact that more MP are not always better. To me, 14 MP sounds like the sweet spot for APS-C.
3 – Marketing will claim that they use the super-high-performance sensor from the semi-professional 7D to put a bit of semi-professional glamour on this body.
I wonder if the mRAW and sRAW modes are not just skipping pixels, rather than binning them properly.
How do you reduce the resolution by 70% in both directions, to get a total reduction of 1/2 (20MP to 10MP)?
GPS would be cool but I would expect Canon would roll it out in the P&S line before the DSLR line. Perhaps the feature is an affordable GPS add-on that geotags photos like the Nikon crowd has.
I think Probably an articulating screen.
Here’s a new possibility:
11 pt AF, but with extra 8 AF assist pts (like 5dII)- 19pt AF (7D)
This will put the 60D apart from the 7D, while still using the same basic AF, as i think canon is using this 19pt AF for its higher end cams.
rlly….
of courye, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that a body IS would only make it more attractive for beginners.
that’s just plain wrong
definitely!
yeah and here is a new possibility:
12 pt AF, but with extra 7 AF assist pts
seriously what the.. this is just plain useless, throwing any specs. another possibility would be 3 pt AF, but with extra 2 AF assist pts.. -.-
We don’t know nothing, why should what you say be more possible than anything else..
A compromise between what and what exactly?
Might I ask why?
You’ve really got a thing against progress haven’t you?
Seems to make the most sense to me. Mayb 98% viewfinder though.
I am tired of getting the mistaken assumption repeated again that a 18 or even 50 MP crop sensor is bad for noise performance.
Even a 50 MP sensor would still be a low density sensor with no adverse affect on the noise performance in the total image. Only the pixels would be noisier. This would fool incompetent reviewers and inexperienced buyers into believing the sensor was noisier than it really is.
Up to now Canon always delivered sensors that had the same or better high ISO performance than their predecssors despite of the massive increase in pixel count.
A 50 MP image sensor would be bad because it wastes space in your computer and flash cards. And the cameras electronics would have trouble to process and store 6 or 8 50 MP images every second. But its noise performance would be about the same as a 18 or 12 or 6 MP sensor.
Does your current camera meet your needs? If yes, then why are you even entertaining their noises?
Would the 60D be the Digic 5 debut? it seems like a good idea, but what is the digic 5 bringing to the party apart from a nuw number, can it take the place of 2 digic 4’s ? Assuming it runs twice as fast then maybe, but that is a big increase in speed.
Developing a new sensor will always cost money, but that’s what it takes to make money, doing new things and putting resources. into it.
Number of pixels in sensor is technology dependent, I’m sure in 2 yrs we’ll be saying 18 mpix is the sweet spot. But for current technology I guess you’re right, 14 is good enough. whichever it is, I’d love to have a choice. Using the 7D was great, great cropping abilities and all, but that’s just 5% of the time you need cropping anyways… I’d love a smaller better sensor.
point 3, a totally valid point.
Yes, that’s the problem, at the moment 5DmkII & 7D mRAW is a simple reduction or more probably it’s done by pixel skipping.
It’s not clear even if sRAW files use skipping, since on 5DMkII they got much lower sharpness than a reduced RAW.
It could be different from camera to camera but i’ve not followed sRAW files.
Video also doesn’t use binning at the moment, but simply skipping.
I could be completely wrong, but I guess the new feature is
a elevtronic viewfinder for video shooting.
It will be integrated in the pentaprism viewfinder and works as soon as the mirror is up.
While I’m sure the market for a 60D extends beyond football kickers, does the mid-range DSLR buyer really fall for pixel count?
Correct. mRAW and sRAW are skipped pixels.
6×6
hopefully with an option to turn it off.
though, it might be tempting to try play around with it. changing settings w/my nose.
watch the expandables trailer around scene 1:18. jason statham got a eos strap around his neck or am i wrong? maybe it’s the long awaited 60d? or is it the 1dsm4? too bad they didn’t show the lens?:-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUXqj18ZU1M
What a waste of good image information!
Optimized for better video performance, so probably a bigger chip with more processing power and video-dedicated circuits integrated.
For still images, that could mean faster fps, and maybe an upgrade of the pixel-skipping in sRAW and mRAW to proper binning, i.e. reduction of noise.
The xxD series has always had a single processor, and with video being a must-have these days, Canon will have to get the processing power on board somehow.
A faster processor also opens the possibility of higher frame rates in video (could that be the “new” feature?) and generally better video performance than the 550D.
— Resolution,
— high ISO performance,
— file size, and thus processing power needed to achieve any given frame rate per second.
— manufacturing cost – although the manufacturing cost probably does not change much if the size of the chip is constant.
Sure, if by progress you mean a feature that I have no use for, that adds weight and size to the camera, and that can break. Then I have plenty of things against progress.
And you buy anything as long as it is new and shiny?
Agreed on that particular point.
I was trying to point out a slightly bigger picture, where in-body IS to me makes little sense.
I love the cropping possibilities on the 5D Mk2 with its 21 MP.
Whatever developments occur in sensor technology, there are a few things that are difficult to improve.
For one thing, there is the diffraction limit. Above a certain pixel density (and 18MP on APS-C is getting very close), you simply cannot record more information for reasonable apertures – that even applies for perfect optics. Tricks like diffraction-free optics like the star-shade proposed for planet hunting will IMHO never make it into consumer-grade photo gear.
Next, there are all the limitations of real optics, like chromatic aberation, manufacturing tolerances, etc which in some cases are already worse than the resolving power of the highest pixel density sensors. Unless the kit lenses grow L-class optical preformance you will only record the imperfections of the lens with better resolution…
But you are right that the number of MP most of us consider reasonable has constantly drifted up…
For the record: I take still images and so far have not found any need for live view or video recording. Therefore I am somewhat critical of “progress” in that direction, even though I see the marketing potential.
Other than that, I thought that I have a reasonably positive attitude towards progress. Bring on some new lenses!
RAW video, RAW video, RAW video… Well, not “RAW” like in stills, but some sort of “RAW”, better suited for post-processing.
I told you all that the 13.8MP number was pulled out of that dude’s a$$. Why not 13.7 for lower noise or 13.9 for more resolution right? :P
Big deal. So we’ll hear on the 18th.
Well, we agree on the touch-screen, but I’ll have to break with you on the Live View and video functions. Cameras aren’t only for you, after all.
While I usually wouldn’t shoot stills in Live View, I would occasionally shoot a clip or two to supplement the stills.
With IBIS you can’t get a stabilized view in the finder.
If they got the mirror to move with the sensor, then perhaps I’d take it. Otherwise, I’ll stick with the way Canon and Nikon have it now.
Golden oldie, are we?
G11, SX1 IS, SX20 IS
I’d like it, but it’s a battery-sapper.
There must be an odd number.
RVF (Raw Video Format)
Is this the dog writing?
The 40D is NOT sharper than the 5DII at 10MP (sRAW1).
Stop sprouting rubbish as fact.
I own both.
it will come with a “disappointed button” you can press it when your not satisfied with it
to the 7d users out there, does it really have iso noise problems (compared to lower canon/nikon models)? im really confused now… im planning to get it or the 60d which is cheaper and probably will have a slight iq improvement. please dont mention FF its way beyond my budget
IT’s been said a million times before but I suppose a million and one won’t hurt. ISO performance is a function of the size of the sensor.
All cameras have features that some users have no use for.
I buy what suits my needs, but I don’t rage against features I won’t use. I just don’t use them.
See today’s rumor. Vindicated! This should raise me up one level to CR2.
BS.
It is a function of the size of the PIXEL.
If you spread the same number of MP over an APS-C or FF sensor, you get different performance because each pixel is bigger.
And 10⁶ BS is still BS.
You haven’t heard me raging yet, but we are getting closer :-P
The articulated screen is the first feature I am actively against. The as long as the video functions don’t diminish the stills usability I don’t care if they are included. I have said as much in other threads, if you care to read.
oops. We were on about the touch screen at this particular point. Same thing, same argument.
They would have to move the mirror (or pentaprism, for the finder) and the sensor (for the final image). That is quite a bit.
But wiht stabilization just on the sensor you would of course get a stabilized image in Live View.
If it is keeping track of the GPS whenever the camera is on, then yes.
If it tried to get GPS in the 10 or 20secs after an actual shot it would be more economical, but less reliable.
Alternatively, you could try to update the GPS position only every once in a while (interval selectable via custom function, say OFF, continuous, 15 sec, 30 sec, 1 min, 5 min, 30min). Depending of if you are hiking or driving you might need different battery life and different update speed.
You’re right, it’s 17/18 May, I must have misremembered that from somewhere else:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0005/00051709canoneosd30.asp
Anyway, it still points to a mid-may anniversary event.
Personally I’m still holing out for a 12-15mp 6fps “baby 7D”, but at this point I think it’s wishful thinking.
…which means that Nikon’s D90 replacement is going to have a pretty strong market position.
-Blake
BTW, here’s something to chew on from my long-term desire for an APS-H “baby 5D”: The 7D takes EF-S lenses but has a 1D-size viewfinder. Presumably that would mean that they could cram an APS-H size sensor back there & still maintain EF-S compatibility.
“My” 7D-ish camera would have had the 16MP 1DIV sensor with half the read channels and single digic IV, and thus be able to shoot 5fps at APS-H or 8 FPS when using EF-S lenses at 10MP. It would probably cost about the same as the real 7D, but with imaging equivalent to the 1DIV.
Canon gave us eye-controlled focus in the early ’90s.
Now in the early 2010s they introduce touch screen DSLRs, and with that comes:
nose-controlled focus!
Hopefully that doesn’t mean the same focus-group driven feature implementations that gave us the direct print button…
Yes, I can confirm that. The dog is smarter than your Daguerre’s son.
Don’t listen to the naysayers who have never used the cam and are basing their opinion on some third-hand information. DPR and other more credible reviewers have already rendered the verdict that the 7D sensor is the best on APS-C.
You go deep into pixel density as it makes the camera versatile. If you wish to shoot lanscape (yes I know Medium format film is still the best) at 100 iso, then do so with 18mp, it still does have an advatage over 12.
but the point is that if you do not, and if YOU PRINT, the results are normalised. both 12mp and 18mp pictures printed at the SAME SIZE will BOTH give equal results.
I dont get yours points. how hard is it to downsize? If you actually print your stuff you wldnt be looking at 100% screen crops. if you had a 12mp camera, and you printed it, the results will not be different form the 7d.
the normalisation process is meant to mimick reall life, applications of the camera. when images are downsized for web, or when images are printed, not viewed and pixel peeped.
18mp is a bonus, it gives you a bit more flexibility in the event you fail to nail the composition right and need to crop OR you simply want more. PRINTING IT or VIEWING IT AT THE SAME SIZE levels things out perfectly. I fail to see the better results of the D300s on the graph when resutls are normalised to print size on dxomark. the 7d only loses out in color sensitivity.
if you had a 12mp camera, u are stuck with 12mp. if had 18mp, with option of downsizing/printing at equivalent sizes with equal results, you have greater flexibility. upsizing 12mp to 18mp will give the same results as the 18mp one..
so i fail to see why the whole fuss about ’12 mp is enough’. just downsize the thing, print for once and the results come out perfectly fine
agreed…when you actually downsize it or print it at equivalent sizes the noise (and other measures like tonal range etc) are very similar to lower mp cameras.
If memory capacity or speed allows, I would take a higher mp camera with higher speed (hint 7d vs d300s) over a lower mp one. I completely understand that wen you view things at 100% the 7d is slightly worse than teh d300s
but cmon. only pixel peepers go whining about this. when things are printed or viewed equally they look the same. plus the bonus of having more mp gives you cropping flexibility.
try upsizing a 12mp image to 18mp at equivalent isos and i dare say the 12mp one will look worse
the nikon d3s and the 1dmarkiv are not good comparisms as the total light capture area is vastly different in favour of the nikon d3s. i suspect a FF 16mp sensor wld perform just as well as the nikon’s 12mp
not entirely true. read..
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Insights/More-pixels-offsets-noise!
you are the one talking BS.
Lindsay was pointing out that assuming gapless microlenses and if near 100% of the sensor surface is used for light capture (which it is for canon gapless ones), the ISO SNR results from sensors the SAME SIZE give the SAME ISO SNR PERFORMANCE when the results are NORMALISED. that is, viewed at the same size or printed at the same size.
Pixel peepers will always spout the same BS about how higher mp cameras produce noiser pixels. Yes that is true, because you view it at 100% but THE TOTAL IMAGE PERFORMANCE are similar acros sensors of the same size when VIEWED/PRINTED AT THE SAME SIZE
seriously there is so much uninformed rehashed pixel peeper whining and BS online nowadays
A good article, actually.
It tells you that you need to look at the normailzed SNR if you want to judge the quality of the sensor, preamps. ADC, etc. by taking the pixel size out of the equation.
It should also tell you that for high ISO, where noise is the limiting factor, there is no point in increasing the pixel count.
For small size prints it makes no difference, because of the downsampling.
For big prints, extreme crops, and pixel-peeping there is no point because the only thing you see is high resolution noise.
That leaves 100 ISO shots in the bright sunshine…
The point I was trying to make was that it is true, as Lindsay was probably trying to point out, that the ISO performance, assuming sensors are the same, would be similar at normalised sizes. iso performance of the image is hence a function of the size of the sensor. not pixel size per se. (and yes i get what you mean by pixel density]
ok, so iso 100 in the sunshine. above that i downsize (or even better, dont bother using PS, just print) to the holy grail of resolutions – 12mp. and whoa! i get similar image quailty as a d300s! awesome! if you dont believe me take a look at the dxomark ‘print’ [read: normalised] comparisms between the 7d and d300s
now if pixel peepers or noise/MP-is-too-high mongers would just shut up. you get more flexibility with a higher res sensor. if you dont like the resolution downsize/print and you get a d300s image.
besides, anything 800 and below, not just in ‘bright sunshine’ is perfectly acceptable if you know what you are doing
In short, your point is that by having more pixels on the same area you don’t loose anything – or not much, anyways.
My point is you don’t gain anything – or not much anyways.
:D haha nice way to put it
thanks, I work at a very large national (and international) photolab and occasionally get to meet some of the “celebrity” (i use this term loosely) photographers. This wasn’t my idea so much as a complaint from one of them. I have started using Tri-Coast Studio’s method of using highspeed sync speedlite for key and to use the sun as just a fill. This combo is giving me really deep sky tones even at high noon. I asked one of their guys what they thought of the 7d feature of on-camera flash control and this was their complaint (“no high-speed sync” so they still had to use a heavy and expensive 580exii as a commander). Personally, I wish all of Canon’s new cameras had this feature. But I gotta give credit for the idea to where it is due.
Cos nothing sells cameras like macro
Can’t agree more.
Daguerre invented the first practical photograph, the daguerreotype.
So we’re pretty smart.
No one is “whining” as much as expecting something more than old marketing crap with the MP race.
I never said I was going to drink the Kool-Aid either and quite frankly I love my 40D.
The fact is this is a concern across many reviews I’ve read vs Nikon but I prefer Canon. The fact is the 7D is major leap vs the 50D and I don’t see the point of 60D if it’s not better overall than the 50D it will replace at price point that makes sense.
I wouldn’t mind getting a new body but my current needs are new lenses. However, if Canon can do something like they did with the 7D at a good price point, then the 60D might actually make me upgrade sooner. That or lower the cost of the 7D.
I would like to have a 60D with weather sealing, 18 megapixels, HD video, flash control, 19-point autofocus, 100% viewfinder, dual processors- wait, that’s the 7D… What I foresee coming is a 50D with video and an articulating screen. For me to consider a 60D (without all of the above options), I would want IBIS and/or APS-H (lite) sensor with APS-C capability (ala the D700 FX/DX combo). Neither seems likely in the $1,200 price hole Canon is looking to fill. One can always hope!
Come on – how long is this going to take? Where the heck is the 60D? I am itching to upgrade my 40D!!!
I feel that they cannot add video to the 60d or it would be too similar to the 7d. So its gunna need something shich sets it apart, this might sound a bit crazy but either;
-Cheaper full frame camera but at only 15mp
-Touchscreen/movable screen
-Body Image stabilisation
But obviously there will be features like SD card as well as CF, weatherproofing (hopefully), and maybe a ergonomics upgrade
Good shout, I would LOVE that