An insight into the current state of Canon USA and its partners

Craig
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Over the last year or so, we have seen some troubling signs that all is not well at Canon USA, a lot of you may be seeing the same thing. I'd like to break down what we have noticed and we've learned through speaking with various people in the industry.

First up, this isn't going to be a “hit piece” and I just wanted to provide some insight into Canon USA's business as it pertains to themselves as well as retailers. I don't tend to write a lot of articles like this and leave that to Richard, but I was the one that talked to most of the people when building this article.

Things started to change at Canon USA on January 1, 2024 when Isao “Sammy” Kobayashi was appointed their new CEO1. He had been CEO at Canon Canada for about a year and he been with Canon since 1990 when he started in the photocopier sales division.

Canon Canada is a wholly owned subsidiary of Canon USA, along with Latin America (Mexico excluded) and the Caribbean. A part of me wonders if his appointment as CEO in Canada was to get him ready to take over Canon USA by understanding the business in Canada, which is likely big enough to matter to Canon USA's bottom line.

Almost immediately, Canon USA began laying off employees at their Virigina, USA plant. Canon Virginia manufactures Canon's office and consumer printing products, such as copiers, printers and cartridges. At the time, 55 employees were laid off from the facility2.

This segment of Canon Inc's business has taken a hit over the last bunch of years and appears to be going in the wrong direction. Companies and people simply aren't printing as much as they used to, even in the office environment.

Canon USA Headquarters – Melville, New York

Forward about 5 months and Canon USA began laying off 100-150 employees at their headquarters in Melville, New York3. These layoffs seem to have triggered some new problems for Canon USA. Mostly due to tax incentives they have received for both building their new headquarters and another one more recently.

The downsizing comes about 6 months after Canon USA received $7 million dollars in tax breaks from from the Suffolk County Industrial Development Agency after threatening to leave their Melville, New York headquarters and along with that, an agreement that there wouldn't be any layoffs4.

Canon USA also received $36 million in tax breaks to move their headquarters from Nassau, New York to Melville, New York in 20075. This agreement was set to expire when Canon USA went looking for more tax incentives.

These layoffs also come as Canon USA has said that they are currently on a 4 year streak of increased profitability.

Canon USA has also decided to merge with Canon Services America to form one company6. It's the usual concept that merging makes companies more efficient. People that have been through such an ordeal probably know better than I if that's actually how it plays out.

One of the strangest things that I have seen Canon USA spend money was a new headquarters for Canon Canada in Brampton, Ontario, which opened in 2010. The facility is enormous and I'm not sure why Canon Canada ever needed such a building.

If Canon Canada was its own subsidiary, there's no way there would have been any justification for this to have ever been built. Who knows? Maybe this was the house the PowerShot built.

It could be looked at as an asset, but running such a building costs a pile of money. While it's smaller than the Melville, New York headquarters, it isn't 1/10th the size, which is the population difference between the two countries.

Canon Canada Headquarters – Brampton, Ontario

Canon USA has also historically been quite slow to adjust for currency fluctuations between the US dollar and Canadian dollar. At times this has been a boon for retailers north of the border, other times its often a detriment and leads to a lot of grey market sales in Canada. The latter tends to be the reality a majority of the time.

Just like Canon USA, Canon Canada has also laid off a large portion of sales staff this year as part of their “One Canon” strategy7. There are also rumors out there that Canon Canada will be parting ways with their oversized headquarters.

The restructuring at Canon USA seems to be moving in an aggressive direction, which means they are looking to increase profits further in the coming years. That's not really a new phenomenon in corporate business.

Other problems we have seen

Canon USA has had an inventory problem for quite a while now. They have simply had too much of it. While some of the latest gear can be hard to find, such as the RF 10-20mm f/4L IS STM and RF 200-800 f/6.3-9L IS USM. Most other products are now in stock all over the US and Canada.

How do we know this? One just has to look at the Canon USA refurbished inventory. None of that gear is actually “refurbished” in the way a lot of people think that word means, it's simply overstock in both the Canon USA warehouses and credit returns from authorized dealers.

What is a credit return? Retailers who have overstock of specific items can send them back to Canon USA for a credit. Sometimes, Canon USA themselves will influence dealers to return certain items for credit bonuses. I'm sure there's an accounting reason for this, but that was by far my worst subject at business school.

One thing I do wonder, when Canon USA brags about sales in the US, are they deducting credit returns from those sales numbers? Do they consider selling at steep discounts as an honest sale? What about Canon Global? I'll err on the side of being skeptical of that.

Where do these credit returns go? They simply get a new SKU and are sold at a discount as refurbished at the Canon USA store, and sometimes at a steep discount. This is one of things about Canon USA that I cannot stand, I actually find it gross for lack of a better term.

Canon USA is competing directly with its own retail network. So a retailer sends back half of their inventory of a camera body, but they are still selling what they have left at retail prices. Canon USA then turns around and sometimes sells the exact same and brand new camera for 30% less than the authorized retailer. Refurbished inventory comes with the exact same Canon USA 1-year warranty. You can even buy CarePAK for refurbished cameras.

If Canon USA put a 90-day warranty on the products and didn't allow CarePAK, maybe I'd feel better about the whole thing, but that's not going to happen.

Canon USA used to put all of their refurbished gear in simple brown boxes, but we have seen over the last little while that some (I can't say all) are being shipped in actual retail boxes with new stickers on them.

What other things do retailers have to deal with?

Instant rebates. While these are great for you, the customer. These actually cause a lot of stress for some retailers. I'll note that I think B&H Photo lives by a different set of rules, but that's just an assumption on my part (Yeah, I know what assumptions are).

So let's take the $500 instant rebate that you all enjoyed earlier this year on the Canon EOS R6 Mark II. The camera before the rebate was retailing for $2499. The dealer cost would have be about $2200 on the camera. Some may receive a volume discount if they order enough of them, but those tend to only be a couple of percent points at most.

Now, the retailer is selling that EOS R6 Mark II for $1999. So every time during that rebate an EOS R6 Mark II left the store, the retailer was losing $200 on every sale. Now you'll say, “well Canon will just pay them back”. This is true, but the retailer only gets between 80-90% of the rebate value back. So now they have lost margin on the camera, when they didn't have a big margin to begin with.

The process of Instant rebates isn't just a simple click, click, click for retailers. A lot of stores actually have to employ a human just to do instant rebates. They have to be done manually, like the internet doesn't exist. So there is more margin off of that EOS R6 Mark II sale in wages.

Some subsidiaries around the globe still use customer mail-in rebates. If you haven't seen them in your country for a while, you may remember how much of a pain they were. Cut the UPC off the box, fill out a form, put a stamp on an envelope, snail mail it to Canon and in 45-90 days you'd get that cheque.

Ok, so they're done manually?

Well a second problem is Canon USA can take anywhere between 45 days to 90 days to give the retailer those rebate dollars. The problem that causes retailers is in cash flow. A lot of retail outlets as well as other businesses operate using lines of credit for the down times in sales, capital investments, inventory investments and many other things during the year. If you have been paying attention, interest rates are quite high at the moment. So that is even more margin off the sale of that EOS R6 Mark II.

So how much margin are retailers getting on Canon gear? A couple of retailers told us similar stories. They have to get a 20% margin on the sale of a Canon serialized product to achieve a 1% operating profit. Canon products carry a 10%-12% margin, so they have to move accessories to meet the 20% on the invoice. This did fluctuate a bit depending on footprint and geographical location, but not all that much.

This is a problem and one of the big reasons retailers have been disappeared over the last 10-15 years. They simply cannot sell Canon gear at a profit.

So, Canon directly competes with its own retailers offering steep discounts, they use an antiquated system and a long wait to give rebate dollars back to retailers forcing them to incur costs for operational cash flow. They also don't provide retailers with the ability to have a solid margin on Canon products. If you're going to have MAP pricing, where are the margins?

On the surface this was thought to help smaller retailers who can't afford what B&H Photo may be able to do with moving gear because of sheer volume with tighter margins without MAP. However, the way its currently set up isn't really helping anyone.

Now keep in mind, while I talked to various retailers, it's still a small sample size of the entire United States.

All is not bad

According to a few retailers they are appreciative that Canon does drive traffic through their doors and to their web sites. Idiots out there aside, Canon is still king as far as sales and brand recognition go. That cannot be overlooked. If the customer comes through the door, they may buy other things that are at a higher profit margin to keep the doors open.

Canon USA also needed a little bit of an ego adjustment culturally I think, and their forced restructuring may finally bring that about. I have met people that work for Canon at many subsidiaries around the globe and they have been nothing but kind to me, and at times they do like to have some fun with Canon Rumors.

People I've met at Canon USA? For lack of a better term, they've usually been quite arrogant and dismissive. I so fondly remember that cease and desist from Canon USA. I always wondered if the lawyer ever wore that Canon Rumors t-shirt I sent?

Interestingly, Chuck Westfall was the kindest person that I have met at Canon USA.

Past success isn't currency for future success and Canon USA definitely has some work to do to right the ship for themselves, their retailers and customers.

I will note that no other people I spoke to outside of the United States have experienced the same sorts of difficulties. That's not say there aren't issues elsewhere, but we couldn't find anything that seemed all that pressing.

While we are noticing these issues in Canon USA, we don't know if Canon Global has been trying to right the ship for a few years to the point of bringing in a new CEO to correct the mess. It could be that Canon Global is trying to quickly rip the band-aid off and fix the problems with Canon USA.

Of course, since Canon USA never answered my emails or calls (shocker!), I had to go with what I had. We can only hope that both Canon USA and Canon Inc are aware of the issues and are working towards solutions beyond just layoffs, divesting of real estate holdings and taxpayer dollars.

Sources

  1. https://www.usa.canon.com/newsroom/2024/20240104-cusa ↩︎
  2. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/canon-virginia-lays-off-55-234500608.html ↩︎
  3. https://12ft.io/https://www.newsday.com/business/canon-usa-layoffs-tax-breaks-l9d9xm2l ↩︎
  4. https://suffolkida.org/canon-wins-preliminary-approval-for-an-additional-7-million-in-tax-aid/ ↩︎
  5. https://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/18litopic.html ↩︎
  6. https://libn.com/2024/08/02/canon-u-s-a-makes-consolidation-moves-and-will-merge-subsidiary/ ↩︎
  7. https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1qkPFREe ↩︎

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Craig is the founder and editorial director for Canon Rumors. He has been writing about all things Canon for more than 17 years. When he's not writing, you can find him shooting professional basketball and travelling the world looking for the next wildlife adventure. The Canon EOS R1 is his camera of choice.

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  1. I enjoyed the article as well! It is interesting to find out that Canon USA owns Canon Canada because I was told by Canon sales that a Canon Canada authorized retailer selling a Canon Canada camera may not be warrantied in the USA. This is quite odd given we weren't talking Grey market cameras and the warranty cards all say that Canadian and USA products are registered using the same registration card. Further, a friend in the industry told me that he has had thousands of customers successfully register Canadian purchased Canon cameras in the USA. From what I can see, Canon USA is dishonest about this.
  2. This article is one of the reasons why I like CanonRumors.
    Not written by or for fanboys, but to inform objectively about what's really going on!
    It's clearly a biased, non-objective article. How can you tell? The word "doomed" is not used. Not even once.
  3. Great information piece! This last paragraph is where their biggest issues lie. If the business strategy wasn't complete radio silence and they had some level of transparency with their consumer they would take less heat.

    Of course, since Canon USA never answered my emails or calls (shocker!), I had to go with what I had. We can only hope that both Canon USA and Canon Inc are aware of the issues and are working towards solutions beyond just layoffs and divesting of real estate holdings.
  4. "This segment [Printing] of Canon Inc's business has taken a hit over the last bunch of years and appears to be going in the wrong direction."

    In their financial documents, Canon forecasts that for 2024 as a whole, their Printing division will have a 299.8 billion yen Operating Profit, a +31.3% increase compared to 2023.
  5. Thanks, nice summary and good insights!
    While this is not a "hit piece" at all, it does seem that the author's point of view is that there was, at some past time, a kind of Canon "golden age" that has lately been whittled away to reveal a company that is cruel to its laid-off workers, misdirected and losing its business edge. My guess is that both ideas are false, that no such business conditions, past or present exist or ever existed and neither show a true picture of Canon USA or Canon corporate. They are, and have been, merely another multinational corporation doing what they do.: they lay off people when they discover they don't need them or can't financially justify employing them any longer; they decide, sometimes capriciously, to work with some industry "influencers" or not, and those excluded often feel aggrieved; they open and close headquarters buildings; they make product and organization decisions that are sometimes great and sometimes not so much or even bad. It is as it has always been. It is our own judgments and the whims of the market that change, while the giant corporations just rumble ahead at their own pace, sometimes merely reacting to their market, sometimes successfully anticipating it, but always seeking to maximize profit, or they die.
  6. as I said from the very beginning on another forum about Canon going 'all in' with their new Mirrorless.. I also said it was just a marketing ploy that has now backfired on them... is Mirrorless that much better than DSLR-- doubt it from what I can see using 60d 80d 7d MkII 6dMkII R7 ..stick with what they were good at with DSLR's and not try to be greedy trying to capitalize on a new line of cameras and RF lenses-- the other mfgr's are doing just the same-- and this would not have happened..sure mirrorless are lighter in weight and more compact and that was their major selling point .. it all comes down to the user rather than the equipment
  7. I remember 2010 was the year when Canon was bragging about the record amount of camera sales and they were building a new factory in Brazil and other places. Makes sense they built an oversized Canadian headquarters.
  8. it all comes down to the user rather than the equipment
    I thought I recognized you as the photographer in this image, hope the portraits turned out great!

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  9. as I said from the very beginning on another forum about Canon going 'all in' with their new Mirrorless.. I also said it was just a marketing ploy that has now backfired on them... is Mirrorless that much better than DSLR-- doubt it from what I can see using 60d 80d 7d MkII 6dMkII R7 ..stick with what they were good at with DSLR's and not try to be greedy trying to capitalize on a new line of cameras and RF lenses-- the other mfgr's are doing just the same-- and this would not have happened..sure mirrorless are lighter in weight and more compact and that was their major selling point .. it all comes down to the user rather than the equipment
    I don't understand your comment. The R7 is a mirrorless. In general mirrorless cameras are far superior in autofocus performance. It's go mirrorless or go home for all the camera manufacturers. Yes Canon makes great DSLRs. I've been using their autofocus gear daily since 1993, but mirrorless blows DSLRs away for focus accuracy and the ability to track subjects. An no, only some mirrorless gear is lighter. The RF 24-70 is 100 grams heavier than the EF, and a much better lens optically. The 50mm F/1.2 is a monster and should come with wheels on it. Yes, others are lighter, but it's a bad broad brush stroke statement to say mirrorless is lighter.
  10. as I said from the very beginning on another forum about Canon going 'all in' with their new Mirrorless.. I also said it was just a marketing ploy that has now backfired on them... is Mirrorless that much better than DSLR-- doubt it from what I can see using 60d 80d 7d MkII 6dMkII R7 ..stick with what they were good at with DSLR's and not try to be greedy trying to capitalize on a new line of cameras and RF lenses-- the other mfgr's are doing just the same-- and this would not have happened..sure mirrorless are lighter in weight and more compact and that was their major selling point .. it all comes down to the user rather than the equipment
    I was fully on the DSLR side (5 D IV), like you.
    Yet, in order to be able to use my Leica R vintage lenses with accurate focusing, I bought an EOS R, without conviction. And planned to get an EOS DsR as a 3rd. body.
    I didn't...
    I will never buy a second DSLR again. Recent mirrorless simply have too many advantages, especially when focusing.
    You don't believe me? Just buy or test an R5 or R5 II. No one I know has ever turned back to DSLRs.
    And I still love my 5 D IV, but do not use it that often...
    Time to jump ship, but pay attention, please, some ships are crappy...
  11. I was fully on the DSLR side (5 D IV), like you.
    Yet, in order to be able to use my Leica R vintage lenses with accurate focusing, I bought an EOS R, without conviction. And planned to get an EOS DsR as a 3rd. body.
    I didn't...
    I will never buy a second DSLR again. Recent mirrorless simply have too many advantages, especially when focusing.
    You don't believe me? Just buy or test an R5 or R5 II. No one I know has ever turned back to DSLRs.
    And I still love my 5 D IV, but do not use it that often...
    Time to jump ship, but pay attention, please, some ships are crappy...
    Del Paso, Did you ever try the 5D IV in Liveview mode with the back screen? The ergonomics and the viewing are bad, but the focusing is as great as a real mirrorless camera because, of course, it is mirrorless, you just don't have a viewfinder. If you aren't shooting action, I do a lot of podium speaking stuff in very bad light, it's great. I did that for years waiting for Canon to make a great mirrorless body and then went for the R3
  12. Del Paso, Did you ever try the 5D IV in Liveview mode with the back screen? The ergonomics and the viewing are bad, but the focusing is as great as a real mirrorless camera because, of course, it is mirrorless, you just don't have a viewfinder. If you aren't shooting action, I do a lot of podium speaking stuff in very bad light, it's great. I did that for years waiting for Canon to make a great mirrorless body and then went for the R3
    I did! Unfortunately!
    A catastrophe in sunshine, and the liveview screen is too small. Also, focusing is lightyears behind the speed and precision of the newer mirrorless cameras. Plus: pressing a camera against your forehead gives you much higher stability than handholding it at elbow distance. In my opinion, apart from maybe tripod photography, liveview is no option at all, and definitely no alternative to mirrorless.
    I never thought I'd say it some day, but DSLRs have grown obsolete.
    And the R3 is certainly much better than most DSLRs ever made.
  13. What is a credit return? Retailers who have overstock of specific items can send them back to Canon USA for a credit. Sometimes, Canon USA themselves will influence dealers to return certain items for credit bonuses. I'm sure there's an accounting reason for this, but that was by far my worst subject at business school.
    Note that Credit returns are usually also closely related to probably the worst ploy out there: channel stuffing, which makes you sales look good to the stock market, but you're digging a hole further down the road to compensate for the hole you have right now. ANd each quarter, you need to dig a bigger hole to fill the hole from the current (and previous) quarters.

    I can't recall if it's just plain misleading to investors or it's illegal and misleading.
  14. I did! Unfortunately!
    A catastrophe in sunshine, and the liveview screen is too small. Also, focusing is lightyears behind the speed and precision of the newer mirrorless cameras. Plus: pressing a camera against your forehead gives you much higher stability than handholding it at elbow distance. In my opinion, apart from maybe tripod photography, liveview is no option at all, and definitely no alternative to mirrorless.
    I never thought I'd say it some day, but DSLRs have grown obsolete.
    And the R3 is certainly much better than most DSLRs ever made.
    Del Paso, I agree with everything you say. I was using my 5D IV's for very static event type photography indoors. It was obvious from them that mirrorless was the way of the future. Outdoors I was using a 1Dx II. Those are all gone now and I have 3 R3's.

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