Announcement – October 20, 2009 [CR3]

w o w

Take it easy Rick, deep breaths. First of all – it’s just a rumour, second – just shows that there is still a market for different sized sensors and if you don’t like it just don’t buy it :)

It better be at least 18MP or else I will buy a 7D instead…

:-)

ISO Expanded to 102,400??

So DSLR Magazine was right after all

This is frustrating. No one makes the camera I want, and it really wouldn’t be that difficult.

1. Full frame
2. 5DII quality ISO
3. Cross-type AF sensors in the left and right thirds of the frame.

D700/D3? No. 1D3 or rumored 1D4? No. 1Ds4? Maybe, but $8k.

ISO 102,400 Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ??????

for all those people that love having noisy night vision :P

Looking foward to a new 70-200/F2.8 IS L or 100-400L with 1D4

102,400 is FOUR full stops higher then 1D3 (expands to 6400)??!!

I had to write this out to see it.

1600
3200
6400 (1D3 max)
12800
25600
51200
102400 (1D4 max)

My 1D3 is very usable to ISO 2000 but sweet Mary, Joseph & Jesus this may make ISO 6400 usable.

Remember to focus and Recompose and you won’t need focus points at all 4 corners of the camera.

+1

Canon Whooooaaaaaaaaaaaa

upsssss is a genius advertising

3200 Excelent

6400 usable need a little proses

12800 you need to proses a bit more

25600 you need to proses a lot a lot and put -1saturation

51200 you got it dont used is a blofff

102400 you got it dont used is a super blooffff

maybe Iso 12800 Native

H1 25600

H2 51200

and low 8 mp 102400

Any Way i need to buy one

i have all my gear at the end of the road

Another 1.3 Crop = EPIC FAILURE

Hope this is not the case…

so let me get this straight. you are probably one of the ones who berated canon for stuffing 18 mp into a cropped sensor 7d, only to know slam a rumored 1d mark 4 with less than the same 18mp you and others thought was a sham in the 7d??? don’t you think that canon just might have more sense than you and the other fan boys that plague these forums? they spend millions of dollars on research and development; give them some credit. if you don’t like their offerings, take your business elsewhere. chances are, most if not all of you are novices and not in the trenches making your living in photography in the first place. why in the world should canon listen to you??? they make lots more money selling 500 Canon Mark 3’s to the AP, than the handful of Canon Rebel’s that people like you might buy at Wal-Mart.

why? there’s nothing wrong with the lenses you mentioned other than that the 100-400 extends when focused which is a major turn off for me.

Any new lens with the announcement?

Wish to see 70-200 f2.8 II or 100-400 IS II. :)

+1

it’s gonna need some major advances in other departments to overlook another lame aps-h sensor, or people will just keep buying D3s over Canon so they can have a better sensor for sports.

Agree

Seems like I have to return my 7D bought just a week ago, guys.

Don’t have an aneurysm.

Aw schnap. He told you, David.

I am looking forward Canon reveals Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS USM Mark II with the ID4. It will be a great combination with my prospected 7D.

Sillyness. Maybe this rumor of an Oct. 20 announcement is true, but instead of following like sheep what some unknown person writes in a blog, I’m asking myself “who is this person writing this blog?” (no attribution on contact page). Who is the “secret source?” Why is there no “about” section on this website what describes who’s laying out this conjecture? It would give the rumor more legitimacy.

ISO 6400 is very useable from the 5DmkII

It doesn’t extend when focused; it extends when zooming.

Focus and recompose when you want to keep a focus point in servo mode on the face of a performer on stage? BEEEP! Sorry, wrong answer.

The 1D3 allows you to compose a photo the way you want, using outer AF points. You can fire off a series of photos, even if the performer moves a bit. You cannot do this when using just the center point and recomposing. Which is why the 5D2, at 2700 flippin’ dollars, is such a frustrating tool. The sensor is beautiful in low light. The AF system sucks. We need Canon to offer a full frame, relatively affordable camera body, with high iso AND good autofocus. Even the 7D AF system in a 5D2 body would be a massive improvement for low-light, hand held photography. Yes, the AF points would still be bunched too tightly around the center, but they’d all WORK! It would be possible to compose a photo without having to crop away half the frame later on.

The next best thing will be a 1D4 with high iso, and few more megapixels (16 or 18 on an APS-H sensor is better than 18 crammed onto an APS-C sensor) than on the current 1D3. Bet it’ll be wll north of $4000 though, which is a bummer.

so true!

I hate when people are telling that 1.3x is good, because it crops out the worse quality part of the lens image circle. Come on! They design lenses for fullframe, and the image circle is bigger (in most cases) than the fullframe sensor.

And if that’s the main thing you like about 1.3x, why don’t you just buy 1.6x crop body, cause it crops even more, and it takes all the best from the lenses…

I don’t have a digital camera for about 2 years now.. I’ve been waiting for canon to release something like nikon did with D700/D3…

if it’s 1.3x for the price of D3s, I don’t think it’s a good competitor. It really seems that NIKON has been kicking canon’s ass easily in the past few years.

Just for high ISO, I would expect FF. Why APS-H ? I can’t beleve all of this rumor. Why not APS-C with 10 images per second and 4 cpus to handle these 18MP images.

But [CR3] means: There is something in the pipeline?

Let’s see what else is coming up, any tele zoom lenses?
Any diagrams with information compared to Zeiss data sheets?
Canon should come up with more information for L leses or we buy zeiss instead.

Your so right about having the same camera as a backup. But with Canon making so many different bodies you can’t afford to have both. The 1D because of the crop doesn’t make it ideal for all my work or i would own 2 bodies. I hope you can grasp that.

It’s the main point i was trying to make. With Canon lineup a lot of photographers have to use different bodies for different work or assignments. We can’t just own one flagship camera and a duplicate like back in the days of owning two 1v bodies or a 1 and eos 3.

No, you can’t maybe if your a pro that can afford to buy new lenses every few years. But with all my glass, I can’t change over. Plus when your traveling around the world, your gear gets wear and tear. It won’t get like new on ebay. And i really don’t want to replace my 400mm 2.8 with nikon glass or my 100-400mm .

First of all… not GOGGLES for sure! … MONOCLE! :) … unless Canon is planing to put second viewfinder on… :) (would be cool actually) + head mount strap LOL

Oh.. and APS-H RULES!!! Perfect.

How much? $$$$

How about a direct print button?

That’s called straw man.

Thanks DAVID PR. I’ve studied this article and now I understand additional value of very fast lenses like f/1.4. Besides better cooperation with camera AF system and possibility of working in poor lighting conditions we’ve got sharper image in those areas which should be as sharp as possible. Compatibility between resolution of camera sensor and lenses is another strong point in this article. That madness of perpetual increasing of MPs is a way to nowhere.

You said tele? Aren’t newspapers mostly about reportage rather than sport? Even the remaining sports category is not fully shot with long teles.

“The camera will have an APS-H (1.3x Crop) sensor”
ok … bye bye Canon … I am going to Nikon

Canon probably has 200,000 ISO in store for the 1Ds 4. You don’t even need the sun anymore for making pictures.

The reminds me….

For all the complaints about noisy sensors and poor colour reproduction at high ISOs, how often have you (all) focused on the ability of your own eyes to see in low light?

If you concentrate, you’ll notice that you see a lot of noise and that colours start to fade as the light drops. The noise is no different to sensor noise–all systems have noise. You can see the little speckles dancing across your vision in very dim light (or when you close your eyes).

The “cones” for our colour vision are concentrated in the centre of our visual field. The more sensitive, but monochromatic, “rods” dominate elsewhere. Try guessing the colour of the clothing of a person standing right at the periphery of your vision, or even telling who that person is. If you don’t cheat, you’ll probably find it impossible, even in bright light.

Modern sensors are very capable and the only real problem is that the noise can be intrusive where there is a noticeable pattern (like banding) or coloured speckles. In low light, the more sensitive rods take over in the centre of our field of vision. Our vision becomes more monochromatic, so we are used to ignoring the strong luminance noise we experience. It doesn’t bother us.

Camera sensors are much better at colour in low light than our eyes, so strong chroma noise in images is something that we have no innate ability to filter out; it leaps out at us. Therefore, chroma noise reduction, and a reduction in pattern noise, is something that has a big impact on our perception of noise. The 7D seems to be doing this better than previous models. The noise is still there, but it has been converted to luminance noise with no discernible patters, so we find it very easy to ignore.

Hiding those “glaring weaknesses” is an easy 4-step Photoshop action: Open, Crop, Save, Close. And it can be done to hundreds of files at once using Adobe Bridge.

And I’d rather use a 1.6x crop camera and a 300 f/2.8 than a 1.3x crop camera and a 400 f/2.8. Actually, that’s exactly what I do now. If 1.3x crop is good, 1.6x is better.

I’d rather see all of my 24 mm image on a FF camera. Why does everybody assume that all sports are shot outside and in good light?

hey, im not complaining… i find high iso settings rather useful in harsh conditions

FF is absolutely needed.
Better ISO performance, better dinamyc range. Wide Angle lenses.
1.3 crop is compromise!

Just out of curiosity, do those stores know that you’re going to cancel your order to five of them? It’s people like you that are the reason why B&H charges customers’ credit cards when they place the pre-order.

In answer to your question: No
Bothered? No.

Though nothing is confirmed yet knowing Canon 1.3x might be very much true – conservative evolution whenever possible. I hoped to move to fast pro FF with the Canon lenses I have, but sadly this might not be the case. I don’t like compromises, so in 1.3x case no camera for me, no money for Canon from me.

being 1.3x need not necessarily affect the ISO performance and dynamic range of a sensor compared with a FF sensor of comparable pixel count

what matters is the “quality” of the photosites

it is amusing that people are bi7ching about an, as yet, unannounced camera.

I use a 1.3x 1DII as well as 2 5Ds. The 1.3x crop is a terrible compromise for wedding photography, and without a new f/2.8 zoom that offers 24-70 equivalent it just won’t be acceptable. I don’t need 32MP from a 1Ds4. I need a 16MP FF camera with awesome high ISO and waterproofing.

A CHOICE…really??? Oh, you mean a camera that MIGHT come along some time in the future…right?

Probably will be available with DIGIC V. 2x DIGIC4 @ 144 mpx/sec might not be fast enough – unless of course Canon disappoints us and just ups the resolution to 16-18mpx while bringing the frame rate down to 8-9fps.

“MIGHT”?

Honestly Bod, do you really think that Canon will not make another FF camera ever again? They just gave up on it and said oh well, let’s irritate Bob and release only crop bodies from now on.

Come on Bob, we had a refresh of the 1.6 bodies, if this camera will indeed be 1.3 crop it’s really kinda obvious what is coming next. Please stop panicking and complaining.

+1 to the 70-200 2.8

“Surely Canon must see all of these “Not another crop sensor” posts? How blind are they?”

Marketing 101 Anthony.

People on this site are not a representative sample, people on this site do no represent a whole cross-section of the whole marketplace, people on this site are not the target market.

People who are the target market are too busy taking pictures for living to spend their time here, hoping and cursing, crossing fingers and making guesses.

If Canon made the decision to make this a crop body it was not a wild-ass guess but a solid decision with some marketing research behind it. No company is suicidal (with the possible exception of Commodore International but it was a long time ago).

Also, you see Anthony, for every “not another crop sensor” post there is another saying “I want a crop sensor” so it’s really high time for you to realize that the world does not revolve around you and others are entitled to their own preferences as well. So please, if you don’t like the idea of this camera having an APS-H sensor feel free to express your outrage, shock and horror but make sure you express it as your own personal opinion and do not presume that you talk for the market and everybody else.

Please

every body

Hello

you now Canon

Not goin to give you a full Frame NO NO NO And No ( canon said )

in a ” sport camera ” is a 1.3 crop factor…………

second the Iso Ja Ja Ja Ja Ja

is goin to give you the same Noise ( whit nr in strong ) or 1/2 stop better than the previus camera

this is what you can get ( escuse is i give you more mp and manage to mantain the noise per pixel down )

the money is in the lenses

you need to buy a 2.0 fast aperture life 200 is

or 100 2.00 or 135 2.00

70-200 2.8 and 24-70 2.8

aaaaa and forget

twiked

example Iso 6400 is only 3545 light vs exposure

never listen only money money money money money money money money money profit

or buy Over Price Nikon

isso 6400 in Nikon is 4932 iso

light vs exposure

in another terms in

canon iso 6400 = to 3545 and f/2.8 speed 500 (14 bits)

nikon iso 6400 = to 4932 and f/2.8 speed 640 (12 bits)

same conditions and same all metering to “0”

What is the 5d2?

indeed

want a FF body
buy a 1Ds, a 5D or a nikon

So you consider the 5DMkII and 1DsMkIII to be reasonable sports cameras. (Sports/PJ cameras is what we’re talking about, isn’t it? Or did I miss something?) I don’t. I’d rather have fewer pixels and less noise at high ISO.

+1

The door, your ass etc.

What is the 1DS3 then?

What about 1Ds3 with SRAW2 (or med JPEG) if your concerned about filesize?

I think it’s so funny…

all the posts on nikon rumor saying ”I’m switching to canon”, and all the posts here saying ”I’m switching to Nikon”

guess the grass is always greener elsewhere… or maybe Nikon and canon are actually in cohoots, and are making less than perfect systems so people keep switching back and forth…. hummm

These cameras are aimed, mostly, at pros working for the media.
They, by and large, dont care what ‘crop factor’ the camera is beyond the tele sports guys appreciating the extra ‘reach’ you get by having more pixels on the subject.

editors dont care either, and I challenge a single person here claiming no FF is the end of the world to tell us what cropfactor any given sports image or magazine spread was taken with.

because the truth is at final output,the printed media, there is little to no difference between a 1DIII and a D3.

All pros want is repeatable, predictable performance and reliability.

Youre The closest argue ever made

you hit the Target

you are right

imagine how bore is if all agree of someting

Exactly. The reason that Nikon is gaining traction in the pro market isn’t the crop factor, it’s the AF issues that plagued the 1D3.

Canon makes gobs of money off the rebel lines. Everyone knows that they sell more units at the low end than high.

The 5D/1Ds choice isn’t real for reasons that have been addressed multiple times in this thread and in other threads like it. Most of us have said the same things several times in the last several months. I guess we’re all just bored.

The Nikon D3 only does 3 frames a second at 14bit. To get the high frame rate, you have to drop out of 14 bit depth. Canon has sRaw, Nikon changes the bit depth. If I wanted 3 frames a second, I would just get a 5D.

I’m a wildlife guy. This is my next camera. I don’t care about FF. I predominantly shoot with a 500/f4. I’ve got a wide angle lens, I rarely get it out of my bag. I want the extra reach. My biggest issue is the ISO, which it sounds like they have licked. My friend uses a Nikon, for every battery I use, he goes thru 3. Competition is good for everybody.

Let’s not forget the D3x. A lot of Nikonians want a D700x, the D3x sensor in a D700 body and selling for $3000, basically a Nikon equivalent to the 5DMkII.

As for FF being “obsolete”, that might be true if we didn’t have all this legacy FF glass.

Probably this Nikon of your friend has old type CCD sensor.

1.3 … dammit

Is that supposed to be an excuse? Should i go blabbering in my own language because i can’t speak English?
If i have no idea what you’re rambling about (which is true :( ), then what have you reached? Possibly all you did was waste some energy.

Gah! Must…stay…content…with my 1D Mark II…

Try shooting a candlelight vigil. I’ve covered those many times for my newspaper and while 102,400 does seem overkill, i could certainly use a cleaner 12,800 so that gives me hope in that aspect.

you have problems at f/2.8? Try 85mm f/1.2 with the 5DMK2. Recomposing the head to the top of the frame almost always throws it out and you have to be perfect and super fast. Try taking vertical shots of the bride and groom during their first dance and using any of the outer points, you might hit 1 out of 10.

Nikon’s lenses are sharp across the whole focus field?

BTW why didn’t you ever buy a 1ds3?

Also if you had this many problems with Canon for this long why haven’t you switched to Nikon?

+1 Down with APS-H for a MK IV. FF better be in there…

i love such jokes, jests, funny tales

YOu’ve obviously never used a 15mm lens with any frequency; otherwise you wouldn’t have made such a silly and absurd statement. FF- beuatiful shot. 1.3- half-assed wide angle. Remember, any camera Canon makes or has ever made with a high fps (1.e. 6fps or more) are all 1.3. The widest you can get is about 20mm (approx what the 15mm converts too, give or take a couple mm). If you want the premiere “sports camera” you can’t get proper fisheye shots. I really really hope the 1D4 is FF. All you APS-H fiends should learn how to crop in photoshop…

I cannot imagine how much that will cost.

I’ve been a pro for over ten years, and I use my MKII 5-6 days a week. FF rules, enough said. Try going back to your roots an use a 1V for a little while if you really want to understand why FF is the end all goal for camera companies; not substandard chips behind in technology…

Try lenses on a camera that actually utilizes how they were designed, then post…

Antony, isn’t that a IDsII?

I really fail to see (along with a lot of people in Nikon Rumors)

Why people think the D3s specs are that great?

Honestly if I was a Nikon user right now I’d take this chance to get another D3 (or a first) at a fire sale price. In what professional situations would the upgrades added to the D3s benefit the shooter?

This is coming from a guy that is always looking for an excuse to jump to Nikon since the better AF would benefit me.

It’s a 300D, not a 3D, but it’s still a modern camera. I was really surprised to hear the difference in battery life.

“Don’t use any IS – it’s for amateurs.” lulz

Lately I’m quite frustrated with Canon, I’m a pro wedding photog and there is no camera ( made by Canon ) that really effectively meets my needs. I want Full Frame for it’s better dynamic range, better high ISO capabilties, and wider use of my lenses, but the 5DII has such awful autofocus! Canon! Listen to me, you would make so many wedding photogs happy!

Full Frame with ability to switch to crop
At least 5fps
No more than 20MP! ( 15MP would be ideal! )
Dual Card slots
Built in wireless flash commander
WAY improved autofocus over the sh*tty 5DII AF
Extremely clean ISO 6400
Improved dynamic range + Bit depth
1 button click to 100% zoom on image preview to check focus
at least 20 continuous RAW image buffer
24p 1080p video

Under $5000

Is this so much to ask? Canon, can you please buy a f**king Nikon D3 and have a look?

Probably yes. But I think a 3D that includes the 7D AF (which I am hearing isn’t all that great) that is a full frame camera (21 mpx) is in the works. I think the 5D successor will be a $1999 camera with moar mpx.

I photograph a weeklong music workshop every year. The 16mm to 21mm range is very important for this work. A 1.3x crop means I don’t have that focal range on my 16-35/2.8

The rest of the year, working in dark music venues, I use the 24/1.4 and 35/1.4 lenses a lot. When I need 24mm, I need 24mm, not 31mm.

You must not use wide angles very much, or you would understand how much of a difference there is between 24mm and 31mm.

We need an all-around full frame camera from Canon, like the Nikon D700. High iso with fully functional AF. It shouldn’t take a mishmash of camera bodies to get full use out of our lenses. Right now I’m working with a 5D2 for the wide angles, and a 1D3 for the 70-200/2.8. Give me two full-frame, high-iso with good AF bodies, and I’d be a much happier camper. The controls would be the same, unlike the current situation. No, I can’t afford the 1Ds series. Given that the competition can produce relatively affordable full frame cameras, Canon has no excuse for not doing so anymore.

I think Antony left out the key missing feature from the 5D2: a fully functional AF system. It’s got the great high iso capability. It doesn’t have outer AF points that function well in the low-light situations where you’d use the high-iso capability. It’s a frustrating camera.

My vote is for fewer megapixels, better autofocus.

As stated repeatedly, Canon themselves have stated in their 1Ds literature touting FF as the chip that their entire lens lineup (minus EF-S) is designed for, plain and simple. FF is what we should be paying for, not substandard technology that is behind the times. Everyone who loves substandard technology like APS-H sensors should lobby Canon to make a camera (which in essence, then would be below top of the line cameras as a 1D and 1Ds series FF cameras), suited for them. The top line of cameras (max pixel count and max fps models, which essentially should be one camera- Canon milking extra bread from everyone, but that’s another topic), the entire EF lens line being utilized for what they are designed for, and the people who need them for their line of work shouldn’t suffer because a niche market as small as those who fiend for another substandard APS-H chip thinks the best cameras should have them. FF is the chip that EF lenses are designed for; is that really hard to understand? Lens magnification are for tele converters, and cropping is for photoshop…

Anon, best idea so far; wish you worked at Canon…

I appoint Joe J as Canon’s next CEO

or it will be $4500, like all 1D bodies ever released. $8000 is for the Ds bodies. mayube becuase the dollar is down the price will be $5000, but it won’t be more than that

Your statement is pretty much obvious and doesn’t apply here… we’re talking about one camera, with two possible choices (FF or 1.3), I dont think that the photosites quality will be any different from case to case.

+1

What for? If they add a crop mode it will be 1.6, for EF-s lenses (but I doubt on such a camera) but otherwise you can crop the photos yourself.
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Sadly I am about 99.99% sure that the 1DsMark IV will have way more than 15MP and will cost way more than $5000. When I’m shooting 2000 images per wedding, 30 times per year, 24+ MP is way WAY too much, both in terms of storage requirement and required resolution. Sadly most wedding photos are rarely viewed larger than 4×6…

yeah it probably will… but that doesn’t mean it will be useable… eg. 25600 isnt really useable on the 5DmkII

Modern Warfare II isnt part of the Call of Duty series any more… so its just called Modern Warfare II…

but yeah even ISO 25600 is pretty much night vision, 102400 will probably over expose an absence of light :P

Since switching from film, I have been making a living with the 1D Mark II and and Mark III. I find the 1.3 crop perfect for my needs. I will be very upset if Canon abandons that format. If they want to also offer a similar product with full frame, that’s fine. I certainly hope that they don’t abandon their loyal users who are happy with things the way they are and have adapted their lens selection and shooting style to accomodate the 1.3 cropped sensor.

lollllll
+100

Thanks for sharing your opinion. It is no more “the truth” than anyone else’s though.

because what anastas wants is what everyone should want

letting them stay in front how? where is Nikon’s dominance over Canon?

there are some consumers that will eternally be switching systems because they buy the hype and always think the grass is greener on the other side. good luck, more grass for the rest of us

yes, get the bokeh from your 420 /2.8 that would be equivalent to a 420 f/4 on a FF body, very good idea

The forum?

Yeah! As long as I don’t shoot over 800 ISO, or want any of the recent innovations, or want a new camera so I can depreciate it and get a warranty etc.

Totally agree, except at some point making the sensor larger will not be practical. Digital large format will not work for most people’s needs. Moving forward with technology would mean improving a current sensor design to provide better IQ instead of just making the current sensor larger.

Canon will be able to produce more 1.3x sensors per wafer than FF keeping the camera’s price down and or their profits up. The “similar product with a full frame” is the 1ds line. Most people wanting that camera either don’t want to wait for it or don’t want to pay more for it so they complain that the 1d is not the 1ds.

How about a variable 12 to 50 MP camera, full frame with 1.3 and 1.6 crops built in, 100 frames per second, full video (with 3D), usable ISO up to 1,000,000? Would that make everyone happy?

nah…

you forget the essential…

canon must give it !!! free camera for everybody !!!

OK, it’s OFFICIAL that the Nikon D3S is a FF with 1.2 crop and a max ISO of 102,400.

Canon, you’re up next!

You are right: we don’t want to pay $7000 or more for a full frame camera with good autofocus capability. And we shouldn’t have to. Nikon offers two of them, one priced lower than the 5D2. For most event work, weddings, news, photography in general, the lower megapixel count of the D700 and D3 is not a problem. What we want from Canon is something to compete with the D700. The 5D Mark II is not it.

I have no problem with Canon releasing another 1D body with the sports market in mind. What’s missing, and has a lot of us frustrated, is an all-around full frame camera (so we can use wide angles!!!) in the D700 price range. Do you ever need the wider end of the 16-35 for your sports work? Do you need the 24/1.4 for sports coverage? If not, the 1.3 crop works to your advantage. If you need wides on a regular basis, the 1D bodies are a serious compromise.

I use a 5D2 for wide angle work, and get frustrated by the crappy outer points on the AF system all the time. I use a 1D3 for longer lenses. The camera has a much better focus system for low-light work, but it robs me of lenses wider than 21mm, and renders other lenses (like the 24-70) too long for their intended purpose. I’m not photographing stationary subjects. Center point focus recompose is too iffy in low light with wide apertures and a moving subject.

Please don’t tell me to buy a 1DsIII unless you are prepared to send me the funds to do so! Nikon sells the D700 for less than the 5D2. That’s the type of camera lots of us want. I’d buy two in a heartbeat, so I could stick with the lens collection I already own.

We are waiting RED and Nikon killerBody from Canon.

Twin Digic-5 processors, 4K movie, knee, gamma, timecode and ofcource dual-lens option for 3D shooting !!!!

Thank you Jim, you are right. Nikon “gets it” and Canon doens’t.

I totally agree! Problems with the 16-35mm f2.8L and the 100mm macro f2.8. AFocus recompose just doesn’t work for pin sharp eyes on the subject. I’m totally …..!!! Now I ask myself why did I spend so much on the 5DMk11??
Yes the 21MP is proving very useful when images are for cimena screen and the HD movie is great to catch some short films at events and to experiment with my lifelong interest in short art films. The colour and daylight rendering is luverly.
BUT how can I guarentee anything to the client when the AF is pants! I don’t have time to magnify to the eyes everytime to check studio action shots are in sharp focus.
The rebel was pants too, I miss my RZ…
Without having to spend or sell how can I get round this.
Is there really only 1 option to overcome this- to shoot wide and use the center focus spot and then crop?
Hands up- I prefer not use manual focus, time and reliability wise-an obvious solution for some.

Jim, you stated it perfectly. Thanks!!!

A super hot AF?!

Together with more megapixels they can simply crop the pictures in the Photoshop… it’s the same.

I agree, that’s why there’s such a huge market for smaller cameras than MF. But my point in making the comparison is that the largest chip possible in a DSLR should be the goal (which includes improving sensor design and better IQ), as it obviously is with Canon (i.e. upon looking at the 1Ds MK III’s literature, Canon touuts FF as the chip the EF lenses are designed to use). Substandard APS-H chips are pointless at this point in chip technology. If Canon made a FF sensor with 1.3 crop option, everyone would be happy, right? So APS-H lovers should be asking for that too, unless they are too narrow-minded to see that…

If you don’t need all the megapixils all the time. Dial down to mraw or sraw. I need all the mp I can get to do large format printing.

I hope the 1ds Mark 4 has 32mp’s minimum-

Again, I mostly agree. The only real benefit that a 1.3 crop sensor would have is that it’s cheaper to produce. More sensors per wafer. This keeps the price of the camera down and/or Canon’s profits up. Both are good for the loyal Canon customer. It would be great to have a FF chip in the next 1d body and keep it at the current camera’s price. Something tells me that we won’t have both though.

While I agree with your 16-35mm on a 1.3x crop is a waste of 16mm, I doubt that sports photographer would use the 16-35mm that often to miss the 16mm.

I’m a wildlife photographer and I need all the reach I can get, from my lens and from my crop factor. I am one of the people that will be buying 1D Mark IV because I need the reach. 3200 is very usable on 1D Mark III. Even if the ISO performance stays the same, the rumored improved AF will be enough for me to upgrade to 1D Mark IV.

APS-H? Sweet!

Sorry, but FF just isn’t a feature of the 1D line!

Better be 13-20 MP (pref. somewhere bet. 15-18), HD video with 7D-type options, ISO 204,800 (completely usable up to ISO 25,600, usable up to ISO 51,200), 15fps

Better be under $10K

Tokina 11-16/2.8 work just fine if u don´t go below 13/14 mm on a APS-H. 14×1.25 gives you 17,5mm FF eqv.
It´s possible to shoot at 11mm (mirror is not hitting the lens) however borders will black out.

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$5700.

But where do you get that from, Mc.?

0D, not 3D. The higher the number (in single-digits), the less “pro”.

EOS-1D/EOS-1Ds – more “pro” than

5D – more “pro” than

7D – more “pro” than

Double-digits (50D, 40D, etc.) – more “pro” than

Triple/Quadruple digits (500D, 450D, 1000D, etc.)

So a 3D would NOT be a step above the EOS-1D[s] – so they’re either have to keep the EOS-1D[s] or go for a 0D, or some other new naming system.

ISO 819,200? Sure…

Not happening without completely new technology.

All of you guys are forgetting that these SLRs are STILL CAMERAS. Video is a bonus. 4K isn’t really an option. That’s RED’s department.

I am wondering when Nikon will bring out 1080p. Only Canon, Panasonic, and Sony have it (Canon EOS 7D & 5D Mark II + Canon PowerShot SX1 IS; Sony CyberShot DSC-HX1; Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH1; only the EOS 7D and DMC-GH1 can switch between 720p & 1080p).

SOmeone that is working in the international consumer department of canon Europe;)

I’d like to see an equivalent of the 7D screen. Very nice.

Hey Canon,

We are waiting for 15-18megapixel FF with high ISO, great AF in low light, at least 5fps. It will fly if it is priced at about $3500.

hey Joe J i would only use FF again if you can mount an MF lens on it so that i could only capture the sharpest part of the lens, that’s why others love 1.3 crop. it trow away unusable part of the image. cropping in photoshop is time consuming and have to estimate your framing during shooting. anyone here have Nikon D3? or anyone used it? i have few questions, when you use the crop mode of D3, what is the image ratio in your view finder? is it still 100%? how many mega pixel remains on your image? does the corner of the image in crop mode as sharp as the image from 1D3? i doubt it. Crop mode is “CRAP” Crop sensor is “the best”. in crop mode you trow away part of your sensor and image size while in crop sensor you trow away unsharp part of your image and glass.

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+1

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(I deal with broken English all the time…)

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How can canon keep the specs a secret this long?????

yeh, your right.. for those who want FF with good Auto Focus at low price they have to wait the 5D MK III. no need to make another line (3D) for that.

your wrong, it is “VERY” possible with BLACK SILICON Tech.

because it’s not final yet, they’re still tweaking it..

“Simply crop” 2000 shots from an average shoot?

Create an open-crop-save-close action in Photoshop, invoke it in Bridge and let it run. Most of the time is spend opening and saving the files.

it only shoots 5fps, which is at least two fps slower than what I personally need, especially with an exorbitant price tag. (Some kind of crop factor option with HFPS like the D3 has would have solve that)

Seriously I’d love that… I do wildlife shots and the majority of animals that are “cool” are nocturnal rather than diurnal.

Hold yer horses, feller.

3D not an upgrade to 1D

What’s Black Silicon?

Soon, my friend, soon.

We can’t wait. 1080p Full HD video?

You’re wrong. You’re calculating 1.6×1.6=2.56, but crop factor is like a field of view, it’s linear. So it is 1.6.

You guys have nothing better to do but get your hopes up and then have them dashed, do you? When Canon spills the beans, we’ll know. In the meantime,go to sleep. You’ve got a long day ahead of you, whoever you are.

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32mp dang that is crazy
Any idea when likely will MK4 come out?