Canon EOS R visual size comparison against the Sony A7 III and Nikon Z6

Chaitanya · Sep 5, 2018

Both Nikon and Canon seem to have better ergonomics(and button placement) with Canon having most substantial grip.

Andrei · Sep 5, 2018

Beeing a photographer...this camera seems to be the sweet spot.
If af will be fast with adapter on ef mount this will be a great update for 6d 6d2 and 5d3
Hope batery will last 1000 shoots and 2h of 4k recording. This will be very good. No complain here.
And if the DR will be 14 stops...than...we have the best ecosystem.

But the size...ohhh my...the size...it's perfect for using by pro's... Not to big... Not to small...the greep seems to be perfect.
Sony A73 looks like a toy...and it is a toy...let's be honnest.
Any pro photographer will find incomode and uncofortable to use a small size camera.
For videographers...maybe..but for pro photographers...for shure not.
I'v tested all camera sistem and the most confortable and easy to use was canon...eaven with a 12stops DR
One hand camera handeling...this is how it should work any pro camera.
The card door is very claver put it on the camera...look at the nikon...dthe big finger will stay on it...in time... Who knows... This could create problems...and damage the connection...
Also...on Nikon...the exposure compensation button...can be accidentaly touch while shooting ( it is very close to the fire button)

But again... If the ef lenses will af very fast on the new mount with adapter...this will be a winner.
I sow some video with the z7 and adapted nikon g lens...and the af was a little bit laggy.

neuroanatomist · Sep 5, 2018

The priorities in terms of ergonomics seem evident – Canon and Nikon have deeper grips, longer extension of the eyepiece, and a top display. Sony has...smaller.

docsmith · Sep 5, 2018

Not that I expected anything else, but I am very impressed. It seems really well done in terms of ergonomics. Of the videos I've watched so far, it looks good in peoples hands and people are describing it as being a joy to use.

Something to look forward too.

Uneternal · Sep 5, 2018

Sony A7 looks like a toy even though they already put a bigger grip.
I'm pretty sure Canon will also do better in the heat with the bigger housing.
This is what a pro mirrorless should look like.

markhbfindlay · Sep 5, 2018

Yes, for me, bigger is better - I have large clumsy Britisher hands! The battery life looks a bit sad (399), but it's chargeable over USB and I have a big power bank lying around looking for a problem to be a solution to!

Chris_BC · Sep 5, 2018

markhbfindlay said:
Yes, for me, bigger is better - I have large clumsy Britisher hands! The battery life looks a bit sad (399), but it's chargeable over USB and I have a big power bank lying around looking for a problem to be a solution to!

I wouldn't feel bad at all there Mark. If you've got man hands, that dainty little Sony is a joke. I have zero interest in any of these smaller cameras (5D size or similar fits my hands well), but it appears Canon made far better ergonomic choices than Sony.

Cochese · Sep 6, 2018

I hadn't really thought about using a battery pack to pack in some additional charge. But man, what a great option to have. I'd still rather use my 5DMIV and wait for Gen2 of this camera. Hell, I'd probably recommend literally anybody looking to go full frame to stick with Mirrors for the time being. Not because the new ecosystem isn't canon's future, but because currently, it's just not a good deal and most of the glass you'd be using will likely be adapted EF glass anyway.

Del Paso · Sep 6, 2018

Size matters...
Speaking of cameras, of course.
2 out of the 3 cameras are meant for actual use, the third one for drooling on the spec-sheets...

MrFotoFool · Sep 6, 2018

Agree with those who say Canon (larger size) looks better for handling. My issue with mirrorless cameras as a whole is the lenses are too big for the body and everything is off balance. I am happy with my 5D4's and have no interest in this system, though I must say a 24-70 f2 is tempting.

melgross · Sep 9, 2018

So, I just read the Canon white paper. This won’t be new for those who have read it, but I discovered something that was very interesting.

We’re reading that Canon didn’t implement IBIS. It seems as though that may not be true, if I read the paper correctly. Canon seems to be solely relying on in-lens optical correction, with reading of the blur image on the sensor as supplemental data to be processed back to that optical corrector. That’s for still.

But for video, they do talk about in body correction used along with the optical correction in the lens. Again, if I’m reading this correctly, and I may or be, there is additional compensation being provided by the sensor in video. In other words, some sort of IBIS.

If true, this is something we’re not reading about, at least, not anything I’ve seen. Again, if true, this is significant. I suggested earlier, somewhere here, that as Apple is doing this in the iPhone, that is, combining both optical and IBIS for better overall correction, then if Canon added IBIS, they could too. So if I’m correct, that’s exactly what they are doing, but only for video.

But if they’re doing this for video, they can do it for still as well, and possibly even for lenses that have no optical IS. It’s hinted at in the paper that possibly in video, lenses without IS will also use this system.

If someone will read that portion of the paper, and come back here and either shoot what I said out, or confirm it, that would be great for all of us.

Mikehit · Sep 9, 2018

melgross said:
So, I just read the Canon white paper. This won’t be new for those who have read it, but I discovered something that was very interesting.

We’re reading that Canon didn’t implement IBIS. It seems as though that may not be true, if I read the paper correctly. Canon seems to be solely relying on in-lens optical correction, with reading of the blur image on the sensor as supplemental data to be processed back to that optical corrector. That’s for still.

But for video, they do talk about in body correction used along with the optical correction in the lens. Again, if I’m reading this correctly, and I may or be, there is additional compensation being provided by the sensor in video. In other words, some sort of IBIS.

If true, this is something we’re not reading about, at least, not anything I’ve seen. Again, if true, this is significant. I suggested earlier, somewhere here, that as Apple is doing this in the iPhone, that is, combining both optical and IBIS for better overall correction, then if Canon added IBIS, they could too. So if I’m correct, that’s exactly what they are doing, but only for video.

But if they’re doing this for video, they can do it for still as well, and possibly even for lenses that have no optical IS. It’s hinted at in the paper that possibly in video, lenses without IS will also use this system.

If someone will read that portion of the paper, and come back here and either shoot what I said out, or confirm it, that would be great for all of us.

The stabilisation you refer to is probably not a shaking sensor that is commonly referred to as IBIS but is likely the system used for stabilising video where the image is slightly smaller than the sensor so when the camera 'shakes' a program can follow the image around the sensor ad give a shake-free image. I understand there are issues implementing this for stills.

melgross · Sep 10, 2018

Mikehit said:
The stabilisation you refer to is probably not a shaking sensor that is commonly referred to as IBIS but is likely the system used for stabilising video where the image is slightly smaller than the sensor so when the camera 'shakes' a program can follow the image around the sensor ad give a shake-free image. I understand there are issues implementing this for stills.

That’s one way of doing IBIS, the other is moving the sensor.

Mikehit · Sep 10, 2018

melgross said:
That’s one way of doing IBIS, the other is moving the sensor.

Yes, it is why I referred to it in my reply and why my Panasonic and Olympus cameras have it.

BillB · Sep 10, 2018

Mikehit said:
The stabilisation you refer to is probably not a shaking sensor that is commonly referred to as IBIS but is likely the system used for stabilising video where the image is slightly smaller than the sensor so when the camera 'shakes' a program can follow the image around the sensor ad give a shake-free image. I understand there are issues implementing this for stills.

Since the system that Canon uses stabilizes one image in comparison to another, it doesn't have any effect on blur in a single frame.

melgross · Sep 11, 2018

BillB said:
Since the system that Canon uses stabilizes one image in comparison to another, it doesn't have any effect on blur in a single frame.

But that’s a software attribute. With dual pixels, there could be a comparison between them in a single frame, if they wanted to try that.

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