Canon Pro2 [CR1]

awesome

isnt it a big camera, same size as a Canon 500D?

When, are we going to see a really small full-frame body? Over 50 years ago Rollei introduced the tiny Rollei 35, and in 1971 they made the S-version with a 40mm f/2.8 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollei_35S). It even had a hot shoe! For those in the know, what technological hurdle stands in the way for a compact with a sensor larger than 4/3″?

Oops, my Christmas brew is imparing my ability to do simple math — I meant “over *40* years ago”

I’ve wondered this myself. Don’t forget that zillions of 35mm compacts before digital took over the scene either. The best answer I’ve gotten is that such small lenses would not produce images acceptable by today’s standards or be much too slow. Makes sense; most consumers wouldn’t care (just as they didn’t care with the film compacts) but they wouldn’t care about the advantages of FF either. And for the pros/enthusiasts that want FF, crappy lenses would kill the deal.

Dont hold your breath, If they didn’t manage it on the 7D I doubt they’ll put it in a sensor any time soon

I really liked my Pro1. Except for ISO above 200 and the fact that it took so long time to focus that when taking pics of my kids, they had run out of the scene and were long gone. So I upgraded to 400D and then to 50D.
I look forward to seeing the possible Pro2, but I’m not going to buy one. My next cam will most probably be 5D mkII

As others have said, whether it would sell well would depend on its price. At this point it would be competing against the micro-4/3 cameras such as the Olympus E-P1 and the Panasonic GF1, both of which are pretty strong, though handicapped by the lack of really good lenses. There is also higher-end competition from the Leica X1, a fixed-lens APS-C model. If this product is real (I kind of doubt it), Canon will need a good story for why anyone should buy their camera instead of these.

Sounds pretty good to me also. Love that the articulated screen is on board. Should be lower noise than G11, and addresses its limitations in video. Pending price and reviews, this could be my A620-successor at last.

Funny — number of MP is not even mentioned, as a “given” it is a secondary marketing bullet at this point. Here’s hoping for 8-10 MP, surely no more than 12, please!

No, it used the same 2/3″ CCD as KMA2/A200, Nikon 8800, Sony 828 and some other models

If this is true then i’m going to be really dissapointed in my G11 i just bought.

yes well, a rangefinder can be very small, its the mirror assembly that makes full frame much bigger

Now even Ricoh (http://photorumors.com/2009/11/09/ricoh-gxr/) jumped on the “small sensor DSLR” bandwagon, I wonder what Canon is waiting for, hopefully not for Sony and Nikon to beat it and grab a big slice of the market.

With a LARGE CMOS sensor that clean images at ISO800-1600, I don’t mind paying $1K for it, as a backup/HD video companion to current Canon EOS system. (Large aperture + larger sensor will make it more attractive than M4/3 with those small-aperture zooms.)
As for the claimed ’26-130/2.8-4L IS’ lens, sounds fantastic (and too good to be true). I’d LOVE to have it rather than something like 28-200 or 28-300 that has tiny aperture.
130mm is short-telephoto, longer than EF 24-70/105L on FF DSLR!
Wider than 28mm will be definitely valuable and appreciated!

It’ll be in G12, i guess. G11 is pushed out only to test the market response to ‘low MP count’, and to win back some digicam users who’s been waiting to dump G10 for LX3.
If Pro2 does come out early next year, G12 will be out in summer for Photokina. One is all-rounder flagship Canon digicam, the other is lower-priced high-end cam with more compact size.

Like many other Canon users, I’ve been waiting to see a compact mirror-less interchangeable Canon camera that’s compatible with current EF/EF-S lenses.

But for the moment, I guess the technology is not mature to get quick enough response and AF on that. (Just check how SLOW it is to do contrast AF on current DSLR’s LiveView mode.)

In order to get decent result similar to GH1, there has to be new system (lens, mount, etc.) The huge R&D cost aside, it’ll definitely eat up Canon’s own DSLR market when it comes out. That’s the first thing Canon wants to avoid. (See how long it took them to produce a high-end APS-C 7D, feared it’d steal their highly-profitable FF market. They eventually made it because market share indeed shows enthusiasts and advanced users switching to Nikon D300 over the time.)

Oly, Panny and Sammy don’t have an established lens system for more than a decade. What they have is a similar system (same size sensor, similar lens mount, etc.) therefore, they could go ahead and create M4/3 to compete in the low-end of DSLR market.

Canon (and probably Nikon), will stick to their current system for a while; competing with advanced digicams without interchangeable lens.

Same money coming to a different bucket – that’s right. But someone as ambitious (and greedy) as Canon, what he wants to do is EXPAND market-share, instead of dividing its current market-share into several segments that add up to the same amount.
Creating a new system costs tons of R&D, if they can’t possibly create a new market while keeping what they’re already making out of, they wouldn’t do so.
It’s the same-old ‘customer wants vs manufacturer needs’ thing. Look what they did to 1D4? Even after years of challenge by D3 and their own AF fiasco, they still managed to stick with 1.3x APS-H, just because they knew Nikon ain’t getting any higher-res chips.

Not really; but I then assume it will bring the size down and that I may be able to live with. It is a small solution for those days with more than 15-20+ miles and it is a great camera for that.

“…I’m sticking with the G-series.

As specified, the lens focal length range is too small…”

the current G series is 28-140, so i am trying to understand why are you sticking with the G-series exactly is it because it has 140mm instead of 130mm, not a big difference I thought?!

If I’m going to have a smaller focal length range, I’d like it to be in a smaller camera, although by some people’s standards the G10 is still too large for a pocket camera.

Have you considered an SX1 IS? 20x zoom, 28-560mm. Pretty sweet range and it’s easily backpackable.

pro 0-

I tend to disagree with you. The m4/3 market has not expanded very much at all because Olympus and Panasonic are controlling the inventory and the price. It is the right time for a competitor camera, and the proposed Pro 2 would be perfect.

The original Pro-1 enjoyed a good market. I am still using my Pro-1. The original Pro-1 was physically a bit smaller than the Canon S-5. Keep in mind that Kodak is also poised to enter the m4/3 market place with a totally new camera to be introduced in January 2010. So the iron grip that Olympus and Panasonic will soon be broken, and the m4/3 market and other allied cameras will expand rapidly.

ProCameraUser

“people are going nuts about the Pen because it’s small & sexy.”

Dunno about sexy as we all like different things but “small” it is not:
*Panasonic Lumix GF1 – 119 mm x 71 mm x 36.3 mm, body only 285 g
*Olympus E-P1 – 121mm (W) x 70mm (H) x 36mm (D) (excluding protrusions), weight (no battery) 335g

So it’s almost the same size as Panasonic (excluding protrusions :P), I guess not only beauty and sexiness is in the eye of beholder but also perceived smallness…

i guess he meant GH1, and GF1 was a just typo!

It’ll probably have 16+ MP.. LoL

No, he said “The GF1(or GH1 presuming a typo) is a better camera, but people are going nuts about the Pen because it’s small & sexy”. Indeed GH1 is far more full featured than EP1, but people put so much emphasis on the size and style that they forgot about the missing features. it is the GF1 that would not make sense because the size is virtually the same and wouldn’t be worth mentioning in such a context.

All these P&S wannabe DSLR’s or rangefinders from Canon are boring; G11…yawn, SX series…ehh, at least the S90 isn’t pretending to look like more than it is, no wonder it’s selling well.

No, it takes a company like Ricoh, WTF??? Ricoh??? Where the hell did they come up with true innovation?

The GXR is finally something new. Still remains to be seen how many lens/sensor options it’ll have, but that 50mm Macro 2.5 is the smallest APS-C camera in the world, hope they make a bunch of lenses with that sensor and watch the G11 go crying home to Obsoleteville.

Canon is missing out on a whole new market, compact interchangeable lens cameras like GXR, EP1, EP2, and GF1 are a wanted niche between DSLR and P&S. There’s times I want a P&S and nothing more, times I want my DSLR’s, and times I want something in between and the G11 does not cut it.

…and no, I do not believe Canon making a new line of EVIL cameras will cut into any DSLR or other Canon sales, because people who want something like a EP2 or GXR are going to give their money to Olympus, Pannsonic or Ricoh, so Canon loses that money for not having one.

Well, a few things:

– on most of the compact zoom 35mm film cameras, the zooms were short without much wideangle, and the glass was not particularly good because it didn’t need to be as most people were shooting cheap film and making their “large” 5×7″ prints at wal-mart. Remember that towards the end of the film days, all the really small consumer zoom cameras used APS film. Now, as you say, exceptions to this rule were cameras like the tiny fixed-focal Rolleis (my GF has a Rollei 35), but the market today is even less interested in fixed-lens cameras than they were in the film days.

– I think one thing keeping the size of most cameras up is consumer desire to have a huge folding screen on the back. Film compacts certainly didn’t have to worry about that. The batteries also have to be a LOT larger than the little N cell in a film compact.

– If they make a nice 2.5x crop camera with IQ as good as, say, a 350D, and sell it at “consumer” prices (e.g. well under a grand), I think the remaining market potential for a $1500 FF compact would be very small, unless it looks and feels like a Leica or Contax or something.

1) those who choose EP1 over GF1 must have something other than size/weight in mind ‘cos size is the same and weight is in favor of GF1. so it was confusing when you mentioned size as an advantage -in ppl’s minds- for EP1 over GF1.
2) 14-42 is smaller than 14-45 because of collapsible vs non collapsible designs not because of non-IS vs IS. you can compare OIS/IS/VR to their equivalent non stabilized versions and you’ll find virtually no change in size, just a tiny increase in weight. same goes with bodies (check pentax K100 vs K110 tiny weight increase in the former due to SR), we have to carry the weight of IS with us anyway, unless the feature is missing from both body & lens we are carrying.

Who really wants this Pro2? The SX series is already the same thing for the most part, and they have three versions of it.

I’d rather Canon get in the EVIL game. Leica, and now Ricoh, have shown these small interchangeable cameras don’t have to be stuck with tiny micro43 sensors. Ricoh GXR offers a new and unique approach, and for a LOT less than Leica, an APS-C sized EVIL compact for under $1000.

Ricoh’s weird idea of gluing the sensors to lenses has absolutely turned many off. you want to use your lenses for the rest of your life, or at least for decades to come on updated sensors, and their stupid idea makes this impossible. they are either unwilling or incapable of creating a full line of lenses for their new APS format, so they resort to this thing in order to fill the gaps in their APS lens lineup with things like the compact zoom they introduced. “you are an APS user and you want a zoom that we can’t make, we will give you a zoom that goes with the same camera body”, from there comes their idea of tying lenses to sensors. Basically unifying unrelated multiple format (APS & 1/1.7″ so far) in one system.

“Still, whether you like Ricoh’s design or not, it demonstrates that small interchangeable lens APS-C sensor cameras are possible…”

No it doesn’t. It demonstrates that a small APS-C camera with a (relatively) large, fixed 50mm macro lens is possible. If you change to the 24-70mm lens, it is not an APS-C camera any more, as that lens comes with a much smaller sensor.

There isn’t really any problem making the cameras small. The problem is that size of the lens is related to the size of the sensor, not to the camera body.

bookmark this page and come back to it later, any lens that is going to be heavy weight in APS-C is not going to be made in APS in the Ricoh system. Already a 50mm prime could have been made f1.4/f1.8, it’s not, why?! And as for sensors adapted to lenses, this is not realistic when they are simply using ubiquitous Sony APS-C lenses that has been around before they even plan to do APS.

Who really wanted the 5D II? The xxD series is already the same thing for the most part, and they have many versions of it.

also please note Leica X1 is not interchangeable lens camera so not EVIL, the Ricoh can only change lenses by changing an important component of the body, so it’s half fixed half interchangeable. you mean you want to see a large sensor camera like these i guess, you feel the difference in sensor size between APS (23mm wide) and 2.5x crop (13.8mm wide), but you dismiss the difference between SX sensor (6mm wide) vs 2.5x crop (13.8mm wide)!!!

All the extra batteries you’ll be bringing will weigh you down however. I have one and it chews through four AAs in a day of shooting.

this is a cr1 rumor , right ? some guy is really getting a laugh ! while we’re at it , then I’d like video in M mode with 24, 25 , 30 , and 60 fps

Olympus, Panasonic, Leica, Ricoh now have EVIL cameras out, certainly many more to come with Kodak, rumors of Nikon and others following suit. This Pro 2 with 5X fixed lens, which is a nice sounding lens, is still gonna have a hard time facing all these new compact interchangeable lens systems. If you’re gonna carry something the size of the Pro 1 wouldn’t you like interchangeable lenses? I sure would, great for travel and backpacking, or any time you want to take something between P&S and DSLR with you.

Everything sounds reasonable except the sensor size:

2.5x crop factor sensor ~13.8×10.4mm ?!

I know of no camera that uses a sensor that size, it’s between the 1″ and 4/3″ sizes and keeps the 4:3 ratio. Granted it does make sense for camera companies to start increasing the sensor sizes of their compacts, especially if they want to ramp up the megapixels, but this a strange size indeed – if it were true (I have serious doubts) I’m guessing it would have to be an inside production job by Canon since no company offers anything remotely like it for sale AFAIK.

I’m sure Canon (and other companies) are probably gearing up for the switch to video and with this may come some new sensor sizes. Two-thirds sensors were pretty much dead in the still camera world but may have some use in a video-still hybrid camera.

So far Sony has been the only company that has made video-still combo sensors, most notably the 6mp 1/1.8″ sensor that is (incredibly) going on 3 years old this winter and used in the Casio EX-F1. It can read EVERY PIXEL on its sensor 60 times per second, that’s really an incredible number, and a camera company could do well to develop a slightly larger version of one that could give better dynamic range and a shallower depth of field.

From the specs in the rumor it may be that the source had a peek at such a potential upcoming hybrid camera (and no, I don’t consider anything like the GH1 to be a true dual camera; it will need to be able to sample every pixel for video to be considered the real deal. The EX-F1 comes closest so far)

LOL, no I think most people have just have had very low standards with what passes for high-definition video in the past. For scenes with little detail there probably is little difference

The technology is almost there – Sony’s sensor certainly delivers the goods, there apparently just aren’t consumer level processors that can handle all that data for realtime video. For the next couple of years such high-quality video may be restricted in length to the camera’s buffer size but it is certainly possible today if you don’t require it to be done on the fly

Explain the M9? Sure.

The M9 has interchangeable lenses. None of the lenses contains an autofocus motor (nor any autofocus drive screw), electro-mechanical aperture diaphragm, or image stabiliser. This makes the lenses a bit slimmer.

Only one Leica lens has a focal length longer than 90mm, the 135mm f/3.4 (in its current incarnation), hardly a fast lens, but faster than every other Leica 135mm to date.

To compare to the Canon line-up, I’ll take the Leica 90mm f/2 and the Canon EF 85mm f/1.8, as they have a similar focal length and aperture. The Leica lens is slimmer, but longer and heavier. However, the differences are not much more than 10%. So, for a similar full-frame lens, the size is similar. (We can ignore the price difference, as that is irrelevant to this discussion.)

Just because all Leica lenses are small and some Canon lenses are huge, does not mean that Leica have some special ability to build smaller lenses than anyone else. Leica simply don’t make fast, long lenses. Like-for-like, a Leica lens is about the same size as a Canon lens.

So, let me repeat myself, “there isn’t really any problem making the cameras small.” The problem is that you cannot make the lenses smaller to match. Once you go for fast, long lenses, the size of the camera body does not make much difference to the size of the overall package.

the GF1’s 20mm pancake is F1.7:
http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/panasonic_20_1p7_o20/

David-

I believe that you are going to see a bifurcation of the m4/3 market place. If Kodak jumps into the m4/3 market place, it will not be with interchangeable lenses. Instead they will create the first entry in a fixed lens m4/3 marketplace, a totally new market segment for m4/3 cameras.

That will allow Sony and Nikon to also jump in fixed lens m4/3 cameras, as well. I don’t realistically see that Sony or Nikon want to create a whole new series of lenses just for the m4/3 marketplace.

The fixed lens m4/3 market is exactly where the Canon Pro-2 will eatablish it own beach head, and prosper. It will be very viable in exactly that market.

Adair

Sure it’s relevent. You’re only assuming the reason the M series does not have AF is for size reasons and I think you are incorrect about that. If they could make such a camera in FF, it’d be even easier in APS-C. You assume it’s not been done because it’s not possible, and I think your assumptions are mistaken and the only reason it’s not been done, yet, is because there was no reason to until the micro43 EVIL cameras identified the market.

I have no doubt they will be putting larger sensors in fixed lens P&S cameras and that will likely include some m43 sensors. I think there are limits to what people will pay for in a fixed lens camera, and Canon’s surprize over softer than expected G11 sales shows they are still figuring out what people are wanting and willing to spend money on. Canon doesn’t need m43 sensors, there’s nothing magical about them apart from the interchangable lenses in a compact form with bigger than P&S sensor, and Canon can already make their own bigger sensors.

I don’t believe this Pro 2 rumor is legit, and if they did make it at the above specs, it would not sell very well in todays market place. Perhaps if they made it a 10X L zoom it might have a chance. The place for such a nice 5X lens was on the G11.

my pessimism is based on what we have now, your optimism is based on what?????

@ david misplaced reply due to CR posting glitches: In the your posts above you lumped the Pro2 with all other compacts, and I just would like you to notice the sensor size mention in the rumour, it is 2.5 times the area of the pro1’s sensor and 64% the area of 4/3 sensor, so it is closer to SLR/EVIL sensor sizes than it is to compact/bridge sensors. I agree it would be nicer to have interchangeable lenses, but if we can’t get that, because Canon thinks differently, then this Pro2 is the next best thing. The price is a very dynamic thing, and i don’t believe Pro2 was discontinued because of bad sales, it was removed to give the Rebels better selling chances, and now the rebels are threatened by m4/3 et al so canon doesn’t mind Pro series cannibalizing Rebel sales anymore.

It’s pretty clear that the smallest lens mount Canon will make for the forseeable future is EF-S. No μEF coming any time soon, and they certainly won’t join μ4/3. Many upper management types have said this on multiple occasions.

But they’ve also said that they’re very keen on this between-SLR-and-compact market, and have all but thanked Oly & Pana for opening up a new market where there was basically nothing before, and are considering how and when they would enter this space.

So, given Canon’s rich history and conservative design philosophy, what do YOU think that they would come up with that would be the strongest entry into this new market?

I’m neither pessimistic or optimistic about the GXR, as I’ve said, it will depend on what other lens units they deliver. I think they are showing some interesting innovation in what they have announced so far, an APS-C with a 50mm prime is unique for the size of the camera, and the price is reasonable. If it was just the 24-72mm zoom with the smaller sensor I would not be much impressed. The m43 cameras are not very impressive either beyond being cute, so anyone offering APS-C sensors with interchangable lenses I’ll pay attention to.

I dont think Pro1 had any impact on Rebel sales, it was the other way around.

About the Pro2 sensor listed, am i supposed to be impressed? It’s only 13.8×10.4mm, which is way smaller than even m43 which is 18×13.5mm, and that is way smaller than APS-C.

My thoughts about this camera are given the specs listed, if it was an APS-C sensor I’d be more positive about it, but an L designated lens for such a tiny sensor is joke.

david-

The Pro-2 rumor may indeed be false and I can see your point that with the S-90 and the G-11 already in production, a Pro-2 would only fracture that market even further, which would not make much marketing sense.

The S-90 and the G-11 really do amount to some real time market research for Canon. Based on what I have read, the S-90 is actually doing a bit better than the G-11.

Adair

4/3″ is 17.3x13mm not 18×13.5, you can check that on the official manufacturer’s specs of any 4/3 or m4/3 body.

The EP2 has much P&S options as the Pro1/2, and the latter have manual controls just as the EP2 has. “[you]’d like an EP2-like in a metal body”, others would like different things and canon is world-wide corporation.

The CBBS (Computer Bulletin Board System) started in 1978 and by 1980 Commodore, Tandy, Apple and others had computers out for the general public with modems and you could go to bulletin boards and do much the same things you can on modern forums.

I suspect when the market research and design decisions were made on the G11 it was before the EP1 came out, so the only m43 camera consumers new about was Panny’s G1. Problem was the EP1 came out before the G11, and it’s about the same size as the G11, and of course there are numerous review comparisons between them. My speculation is Canon looked at the G1 and went “so what, buy a real DSLR like a Rebel,” but then the EP1 came out looking like a rangefinder, and lot like the G11, and they didn’t expect the EP1/GF1 to change the market and open up a whole new segment in which Canon has nothing to offer but tiny sensor fixed lens cameras.

The S90 is cool because it’s still a pocket cam P&S with some fun extra features, there will always be a good market for that.

Check out the profile on the Pro 1, not so sure it is smaller than the GH1, lol.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonpro1/

have you ever used a Pro1 more than briefly? I own a Pro1, 40D with L glass and some small Canon compacts (A series). and I know exactly what each of these can produce, the biggest advantage of a larger sensor is high iso noise, when it is not a low light situation,… and the pro2’s sensor is 143mm2, Pro1 is 58mm2 (do you realize how much of a difference that is?!), a large sensor is good for image quality but at the cost of many other things, and if in the end most people most of the time leave the large sensor at home and take the small one with them, that means we ought to update the small one.

The most important question is, is Canon willing to start a third line of lenses for a new mirrorless system? If you think the answer is yes, then the door is open to anything including mirrorless FF. If you (like me) think the answer is no, then the choices are much limited and point to something along the lines of this Pro2 specs, especially the size determining specs of the sensor format, lens range and speed.

I didn’t buy the Pro 1. There is visible noise on everything over 100 ISO, and it vinettes at maximum aperture. I’d rather take my large sensor and big lenses out, which I’m about to do in 10 minutes.

“a large sensor is good for image quality but at the cost of many other things”

Like what? Oly and Panny have a larger sensor in cameras the size of the G11, and hey, if you really want to stick a Canon L lens on one, you can do that too. You keep saying there’s all these disadvantages to larger sensors but you don’t say what those are other that pointing to the bulk of a 40D. We’re not talking about 40D’s, we’re talking about EVIL cameras that are in the same size range with larger sensors and interchangable lenses.

Get your size comparisons right, so that you don’t inadvertently mislead the uninformed readers!!! Some posts above, you said that GH1+14-140’s size/profile is same as Pro1 while in reality the profiles are 142mm vs 90mm respectively, and now you say EP1 is same as G11, this is only works if you stick a pancake prime to the EP1 and even then the EP1+prime is heavier than the G11 by the weight of the prime and a little extra (100-150g on top of ~350g).

About 40D vs a hypothetical Canon APS EVIL, of course the latter would be lighter, but here again the question is whether or not canon is willing to introduce such new system in the near future. I believe not, for the reasons that i have just explained above in another reply to you (basically canon is waiting for the tech of EVIL systems to mature, to note here is that every m4/3 lens so far has been compromisingly designed to make its AF elements light weight so that they can be moved by CDAF, this has meant either slow max aperture or limited zoom power or both to keep the weight down, a different AF solution may emerge in future that established systems like m4/3 won’t be able to switch to). If you can imagine for a second that canon doesn’t want to start now, and think about what they can do meanwhile instead as an answer to the likes of GF1, EP1 & GXR, you’ll see that they better have something than nothing, and that they need their answering camera to (1) have a lens with some good focal range and aperture speed because it’s a fixed lens, and (2) be as compact as possible in the same time ‘cos that with a large sensor is the main point of the new segment. (3) #1+ #2 dictate that the sensor MUST be RELATIVELY small. Something along the lines of this pro2 would serve both as a field of (R&D) experiments and a stop gap. No matter how unsuccessful a fixed lens camera may turn out to be, it is many magnitudes less of a problem than a system whose standards are bad as a result of being set too early in a hurry, and then can’t be changed without a PR disaster.

At one time I had both a digital and film Rebel. They were pretty much the same body except the film one had a large mirror box. Shove the digital rebel guts over a bit and I’m sure they could make a full frame in that size.

Optics challenges aside, I don’t see the need for the “brains” of the camera to be that much more than the SD series. So making a APS-C or FF compact would be more about fitting all those buttons and features on a body that still handles relatively well.

I am not assuming anything, it is just you as usual putting words in others’ mouths and implying that they don’t know much about the basics of photography. All I meant is that while you can point to EP1/GF1 and make meaningful comparisons (price-wise and tech-wise) with tiny-sensor compacts, you can’t do the same with the M9 because the price and tech are completely different and if there were a FF rangefinder with the same price as budget FF DSLRs, most people will prefer the latter because rangefinders are not everybody’s cup of tea. Also the current FF sensor cost – as reflected by the price difference between xxD/5D or between D300/D3 – makes most buyers go for crop sensor cameras, so if a FF EVIL is made it’ll have the same price disadvantage compared to APS-C or 4/3 EVILs, discouraging manufacturers from starting a new FF system on which there may not yet be enough demand.

Mr. no name, you have done nothing but misrepresent and misunderstand my comments.

I’m not the one hiding my identity and making false accusations about people misleading the public. Click on my name and you’ll go right to my page with all my info, you coward.

You have done nothing but misrepresent and misunderstand my comments. The only habbit here is your inability to comprehend and your pension for knit picking over meaningless details: “Check out the profile on the Pro 1, not so sure it is smaller than the GH1, lol” – what part of this quote tells you I’m making an EXACT size comparison? Get a clue.

Canon has announced nothing about this Pro 2, and this is a CR1 RUMOR, so for you to claim my calling these specs fake without my saying “I think” is funny. IT’S A RUMOR. As for you having any inside knowledge at Canon, prove it mr. too affraid to even post your name in a forum so you can slam people annoymously.

You have made lots of mistakes and I’ve exposed them very well above, specifically, like your mistakes about the size comparisons of GH1-vs-Pro1 and EP1-vs-G11, you say that I tell my opinions as facts while you you have no clue bout my knowledge and in the same post you fail practice what you preach and do just the same by dismissing this Pro2 rumor as false..etc etc etc and you don’t comment about your exposed mistakes you just say that I misunderstand, misrepresent…etc of non supported by facts nonsense feel free to continue for infinity with this nonsense, you simply don’t have something new to bring to the table in a comments page like this, because you don’t have a good background (that’s based on the above mentioned mistakes, not hot air like your unsupported accusations), my personal advice to you is to read a little bit before making statements about things you don’t know.

Any advice from you is what not to do. I made no mistakes in what I wrote, you only misrepresent my comments by focusing on whether one camera is slightly bigger or weighs slightly more while failing to get any part of the point of the comment. Easy for you to criticize people while hiding behind your annonymous name, isn’t it, coward.

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