A less expensive FF?
A chinese forum apparently had a post about Jackie Chan filming a commercial for the Canon EOS 7D. The forum pulled the thread.
Specs that were also pulled:
15mp FF
13 AF Points
Dual Slot
DIGIC V
CR’s Take
I have doubts a more affordable full frame option would have anything other than the autofocus of the 5D Mark II.
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Yeah right, below 5D but with Dual-slot for mem-cards. Right ;-) Shouldn’t the be CR-1 *g*
It’s time for a cheap FF. 7D sounds great. Price around $1200 will be perfect, for Christmas $999 :)
60D == 7D ???
Maybe it’s a FF with a EF-S mount, where you can switch to APS-C mode manually :-)
Less expensive and FF don’t go hand in hand!
I find the APS-H 7D rumor far more likely. Perhaps a future 3D could be FF, but 15mp FF with 13AF points just doesn’t sound right.
15mp FF would be the “Lord of Darkness” for sure.
The 5DMk2 has 15 AF points 6 of them invisible assist. It is possible this rumoured 7D has the same 9 AF points with 4 invisible AF assist.
Wheather this rumor is true or not, i beleive Canon needs to bring out a camera to sit between the 5D2 and the 50D as the price gap is to much between them.
I agree that Canon needs to address the D300 with all of its ‘pro’ features.
Looking forward to those CR3’s
Nope, the mirror is the problem. It´s to big and would be break.
There’s some mistake…I have read that original chinese thread before, there’s nothing about specs,just one guy saw 7D when Jackie Chan filming a commercial for the Canon EOS 7D,and he knows nothing about the new camera except its name”7D”.
This is not the “7D”! It´s the 3D.
7D will replace the xxD line later next year.
it’s time for a cheaper full frame. the original 5D for instance is a good starting point, but why does full frame have to mean pro body?
i’m quite happy with my plastic 500D and i’d be equally happy with a cheaper plastic full frame camera… with only one focal point. the middle one. it’s the only one i ever use anyway.
pair that with a cheap fast 50mm f/1.8 as standard and we’re in business!
u know, i love to see such rumours, even the basis for some of them is a little too far fetched. lets my head run while.
Well, the 5DII certainly is NOT a pro body. Just a beefed up consumer body. Seriously, one focal point? Haha.
yes, its problem at canon, but not problem at nikon! look at the d3 pls before talking :)
crazy time indeed. I guess one function of Canon Rumors is to allow readers to fantasize about cameras that never will be… let us all dream on…
Far more likely indeed. But I hope Canon lets the APS-H die. It eliminates the EF-S mount lenses and isn’t full frame. Full frame is perfect.
I wouldn’t mine if it was the old 5D with just sensor cleaning. for me that would be enough
Well, at Canon it´s a problem and not possible to use EF-S lensen. Nobody is talking about Nikon…
“look at the d3 pls before talking ” – So what do you mean?
I’d believe it if they said it had dual direct print buttons, so I’m calling BS on this one.
Unlikely. Although a APS-H 7D would be a good competitor to the d300.
Santa told me it I could have two for Christmas.
;)
Huh? Maybe you mean APS-C because APS-H is going bye bye
eye controlled direct print buttons are way better than focus points…put that in the focal point and shoot, lol
he doesn’t know that nikon lenses use the same back focus distance for DX and FX, while Canon EF-S (the ‘S’ stands for short) has a shorter back focus distance than is acceptable for FF so you can have no infinity focus, or break the mirror
The fact is that it´s impossible to use EF-S lensen (unmodified) on the FF or 1.3 cameras.
He sad, I shoud look first at the Nikon FFs before saing that. But it doesn´t matter that the Nikon FXs can handle with the DX lenses.
Put it the same 5d2 video specs and i’m in!
yeah, one focus point is plenty.
pick your focus subject,focus on it, and recompose your shot. most photographers i know shoot this way.
We are getting into the exciting times for sure. Its like kid’s Christmas – lots of expectations and no idea what you’re gonna get. Dual slot sounds right considering Nikon has it and the fact that SDHC is developing fast and the cards cost not that much. Plus all current 40D/50D owners will be able to carry over their cards when they upgrade. So it makes perfect sense. This one has a great potential and, if true, will be a lot more exciting news than a 60D (or should I say 50Ds? :-)). If true, I’ll get one of these 7D for sure!
Back in the days my grandpa’s car did not have power windows but it was a top of the line vehicle. Therefore I refuse to believe my eyes when i see a cheap car these days with power windows AND power steering. LMAO
they have to introduce it some time… why not before an upgrade to the 5D III?
i think a price for that will be over the 50D price at least…
lets say 1700-2000
Who really cares about EF-S lenses? None of them are as good as the EF lenses. Give me an original 5D with upgraded LCD and sensor cleaning and I’d be one happy camper.
I agree, except that it might be possible with current production technology to make a 15MP FF sensor with stripped down body for $1795. But who would want it at that price?
Its purpose might be a D300s killer, but that could be done with a 1.3 crop sensor.
try that with a moving subject. let me know how it works for you.
yeah I know. that’s why I said “he doesn’t know that nikon lenses use the same back focus distance for DX and FX, while Canon EF-S (the ‘S’ stands for short) has a shorter back focus distance than is acceptable for FF so you can have no infinity focus, or break the mirror” Nikon DX lenses just make a smaller image circle, Canon EF-S lenses make a smaller image circle and have a shorter backfocus distance. conceptually it lets Canon make EF-S lenses with better performance, since there is not as much of a rear telephoto group necessary. that’s whay they did what they did, they just never bothered to make the EF-S lenses as optically impressive as they could have.
How dare you to attack EF-S lense camp? There are WAY TOO many great EF-S lenses out there! In fact, I believe there are as many as TWO!
Yes, there are actually people who will not jump the EF-S ship even for the new FF body. Those two lenses will hold them tight no matter what.
Personally, EF & FF FTW!!!
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The xxD line is here to stay.
to people who are real canon owners and buyers – what do you think are the odds of pro-level weathersealing on a 60D or 7D? I know that if Canon did what Nikon did with the 300->300s upgrade, AKA dual CF/SD, video, 7FPS, etc… and gave me pro weathersealing, I’d upgrade my 30D on the spot.
Canon will kill the APS-H very soon.
40D AND 50D use CF cards and so do all higher end Canons. 40D/50D owners have ALWAYS been able to carry over their cards when they upgrade.
They have that now? OMG cool
+1
Uh, yeah no. If there’s a 7D it would be between xxD and 5D price points.
realistically they’ll keep full weather sealing for the 1 series only. though they ought to give it to the 5D and XXD cameras.
hahaha true, but there is the old trick of pre-focusing in front of the moving subject but servo mode is better
We are not talking about the past – we are talking about the future. Lots of roumors suggested a complete replacement of CF by SDHC. The race in price per gig of memory between CF and SDHC was lost by CF long long time ago. SDHC’s research is pushing the capacity of these cards even further. Now take into consideration HD video capabilities of todays DSLRS and high capacity low cost SDHC cards become a necessity. Strictly speaking, the release of a dual slot with CF and SDHC is a simple favor to all current CF users. But most likely this is a temporary favor. I will not be surprised to see future models with a dual slot but both SDHC. If CF does not come up with a more reasonable pricing per gig and will not introduce new capacities on the horison – CF is history.
+2
and introduce APS-K!!!
Mmmmm… me likeee.
Slim to none for the 60D, good possibility on the 7D IMO, especially nothing that the 7D probably won’t exist.
just because older camera’s have one slot, why not have new models with two slots? 1D series has crappie low rez screens. Yet the 500D has a high resolution screen.
I think that strategy is going to bite Canon in the arse. The big sales battle is entry level DSLR, and Canon is giving Pentax and others a huge boost because they are getting the reputation for tough at entry level prices – the weather sealed K20D is only $629, the K7 has 77 seals and its the price of the 50D.
A 19-pt af with poor tracking will definitely be criticized if Canon doesn’t improve their focus speed and accuracy, so I hope Canon takes care of that.
As for weathersealing, I own a 40D, and I’ve brought it too humid places…it has fogged on me a few times, and it’s gone with me to Niagara falls too (Storm Jacket cover included of course). However, for day-to-day “weather” worthiness, I may have found a nice workaround by taping the gaps with Gaffer’s Tape. …I just have to figure out how I do that cleanly at the lens mount. =).
try doing that with an 85 1.2 lens.
No it couldn’t be done with a 1.3 crop sensor. The D300s is a 1.5 crop and can use DX lenses, makes far more sense to compete with that with 1.6 crop and all the EF-S glass rather than 1.3 and no EF-S to compete with the DX lenses. If they are going FF then great, that’s a selling point over the D300s, but the APS-H would be stupid of Canon to try to go head to head with the D300s.
Still shooting with two of the original 5D’s and a 40D and very satisfied.
Another consideration with upgrading cameras is if you edit with Adobe Photoshop Bridge or other software you generally have to upgrade software to be compatible with the latest camera’s RAW platforms. This often bites new buyers in the behind. Upgrading software can sometimes even mean upgrading computers, so if I’m going to step up to the latest camera there better be a very good reason for it.
Hahahaha!
is that the one with a direct print button on the sensor?
Care to back your statements with facts?
oh you are not kidding, the adobe master collection is a major upgrade, but i just got a dell 435t core i7 at microcenter for $799, dropped in a GV HDSPARK with Edius Pro 5 for HD editing, reinstalled adobe master collection and Canon software, and I’m good for a while.
Pretty fine :)
1.3 crop’s days are over.
Yeah buddy, and if you are like me a Mac guy, that’s a big ouch, you could be looking in thousand$ in software and computer upgrades.
My next body purchase may be a used 1ds Mark III – I think it would still be compatible with CS3 but I’m going to do my homework first.
On second thought my next purchase my be a 300 f2.8 IS II, 35 f1.4 II and/or a 135 f2 II, you can’t go wrong with glass!
CF will be history. But only once SDXC is operational and has the same transfer speed as current CF cards. ProPhotogs in sports/weddings/nature/photojournalism, and to a lesser degree studio, care about transfer speed. considering that the best CF cards are 3x faster than the best SDHC cards I don’t see how Canon, or any other manufacturer could justify pushing SDHC cards. also even though CF is more expensive its still pretty cheap, compared to what it was even 18 months ago, and it keeps going down. as a general rule SLR purchasers prefer performance over cost, hence CF cards over SD.
sorry, I ment to write Read/Write speed, not transfer speed, since its most important to clearing the buffer.
my thoughts exactly. a weathersealed 60D or 7D would only marginally affect people that need to buy a 1-series, whereas it would DEFINITELY put canon cameras ahead of comparably spec’d Nikons
APS-H is a reasonable compromise between FF and APS-C. The photosites are lerger for a given MP rating so high iso performance can be maintained while you still get the benefit of longer reach. I own all three, APS-C, APS-H, and FF. Wherever possible, I use the APS-H unless it is for a landscape shot where FF is better. Trying to use FF for telephoto shots requires a much more expensive telephoto lens for longer shots. Sure, I can crop the shots, but why pay more for a FF so you can crop it?
Certainly, APS-C has low cost lenses available, but, with a couple of exceptions, you still have to get EF lenses for the best quality.
My guess is Nikon will add weather sealing across the lineup first then Canon will get on board way too late. If Pentax were smart they’d launch a TV campaign showing parents shooting a kids’ sport in the rain, close up on all the Rebel/D5000’s dying, putting cameras away, and the K20 and K7 parents catching the winning moments uneffected…then we’d see weather sealing from Canon very fast.
It was reasonable when the 1D came out and all it’s pro competitors were APS-C and no one had a FF body on the market. It’s not reasonable now, in a market when Sony and Nikon are releasing FF bodies above, below and around the 1D3 price point. Why buy a APS-H when you could buy a D3 FF with Dynamic crop? It puts Canon at a disadvantage at this point. It is buh bye time for APS-H.
Let’s put Canon on notice for weather sealing now!
On Michael Reichmann’s Antarctic trip, 50% of the Canon 5D2’s, some 26 bodies, died from weather exposure.
Pentax is sponsoring a similar trip to Antarctica with K-7’s, and it will be interesting to see if any go down – if the K-7’s work there someone should start a petition demanding Canon make their $1300 on up bodies as tough as the $1300 K-7 and the 500D should at least have the same or better weather sealing as the $630 K20.
rule of thirds anyone? Which still baffles me why my 50D doesn’t have AF points at the tic-tac-toe cross-points.
That is a most excellent question!!! Never understood why that is not the first place from center focus points should go.
Considering that the olde EOS 30 (yes, that’s film) was named EOS 7 in Japan and surroundings, i hazard a guess that this 7D thingy will be the 60D
15MP sounds about right, so does the rest, although some more focus points would be weird, compared to the 5DII.
I wish they’d keep CF and increase capacity to 128 or even 256 gigs rather than switch to SDXC that is reaching it’s top capaicty soon.
You are correct with speeds, but to some degree I think the speed factor of the memory cards might be a bit over rated with cameras. It is fine for HD video recording, so Class 6 should be more or less ok for photos too. And at least they have XC coming, which is promising. Regarding price – SDHC costs pennies comparing to CF. I could care less abou the size of the cards, but the price of CF might be a killer if you travel and need to use a bunch of cards.
135 F2 IS will be the sweetest thing, unless it costs twice the price of the non-IS and unless it will be huge and heavy. I hope non-IS will not be dicontinued…
I agree, at least 20% more than xxD
If the next generation 135 f2 includes IS it’s moving to the top of the list!!!
I much prefer those 60D specs over this 7D rumor. I would buy that 60D right away to use next to my 30D. A 90D will replace the 30D.
SDXC 2TB max capacity
and very fast.
a possible replacement.
CFast CF’s replacement
could show up soon.
another thing that’s related…
file format!
the replacement of jpg
something to handle HDR files
I couldn’t agree with you more friend. Canon withholding weather seals in all but their top of the line models is craptastic. Last time I checked enthusiasts get caught in the rain as often as pros.
then dual cards (CF + SD) makes the most sense. I rarely travel far without laptop and external harddrive, but most people do not, or would rather not be hassled. I shoot a lot of sports in RAW with motordrive, I don’t need too much memory, typically around 8 gigs (I don’t just hose it around), however the rate of buffer clearing is of the upmost importance to me, if my buffer doesn’t clear very quickly I end up losing shots.
just for reference when I shoot sports its 14 bits 10MP 10fps (1D3), so its a good deal information flow than even 1080 30p, roughly 100 megapixels per second @ 14 bit vs around 60 megapixels per second @ I think 8 bit. so while I have nothing against SD cards or the class 6 ones for video, just saying its does video doesn’t necessarily mean its sufficient for photo.
with respect to the HDR files, why not just use existing file formats such as .hdr? I don’t think jpeg will ever get replaced, while personally a RAW shooter jpeg has its place and deos quite well, very often my ending format is jpeg.
Regarding the mirror thingy,
I think a lot of people miss the point about why is there a mirror in the first place. Its for the viewfinder as well as AF module. It has very little in common with the sensor size.
If you seriously want to fit a EF-S lens into a FF camera body, you just need to use a APS-C sized mirror with an APS-C sized AF module plonked into a camera body built to house a FF sensor. You just get a very small area viewfinder ( think 80-90% maximum), no big deal about getting round the mirror-banging issue as you then have more than enough clearance for the EF-S clearance.
Real issue is whether this is acceptable to the end consumer.
Is there a difference between the focusing plane distance betwwn EF-S and EF ? Not that I knew off … I get perfect infinity focus off a Tamron 17-50 and Sigma 30 f/1.4 on my 5Dii.( I have not tried on a Canon lens yet) I don’t see how if there is a difference there ?
As far as i understand, its the rear protruding rubber/plastic bung that’s an issue for the Canon 10-22mm on the 1DmkIII as someone over the net has demonstrated sometime ago. Take out the rubber bung and hey… the lens works (13mm onwards). I don’t recall infinity focus issues in that article. (was there ?? )
While all of your opening points are correct, except for 80-90% its more like 50% the simple fact of the matter is that having a viewfinder and AF that only covers part (and I mean very noticable as being only part) of the viewfinder is obvious to me as something which consumers would find intolerable, as you only get full usage from EF-S lenses and not EF (unless using liveview) which for my personal preferred work, life-style, sports, photojournalsim, etc is entirely unnaceptable.
Sigma does not copy the EF-S lens mount, only the EF (they’re digital only lenses just produce smaller image circles, much like how nikon DX lenses work, see where it mounts to on your crop camera if u don’t believe me. it will focus properly, but that problem is that EF-S lenses will not because of the protruding rear element, the mod u mention involved replacing the original lens mount with one for an EF lens. I do not recall if that modded 10-22 had infinity focus or not.
hard to argue with the user base of jpg, same with mp3,
99% of digital players play mp3’s but there are better options for sound quality…flac, aac, wma, wave.
true about .hdr
but with bigger files , higher bit depth, HDR, 3D(stereo)….
8 bit jpg just won’t cut it for much longer for serious photography.
the key to changing will be 2 parts:
1)FREE and OPEN SOURCE!!
2)pre-installed in 90% of software and hardware
Rumor from :
http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=650180
why do I have a feeling that the rumors about the 7d and the 60d are actually rumors about the same camera ??? I guess they so the 60d and stuck an FF by mistake.
:)
+1
Too bad hardly any of the Pentax lenses are weathersealed
I say nope.com
Yes the ef-s 18-55 non is and the 18-200 is. Both killer lenses. Thanks Canon. :P
In case you thought all I did was hate, not true. I love my 10-22 and 17-55. It is too bad that there is no good 24-105 equivalent though. Like a sweet 15-65 f/4 IS.
This sounds more of a BS than the 60D one. CR=-1 on this for sure. 13 AF points??? Can anyone even draw a layout of that? At least the putative 19-pt. on the 60D had solid technical basis, and is thus more credible. 13pts. just sound like it was pulled out of somebody’s bored a*s…
no day without a rumor! until after Xmas…
I’d say we will get a 60D AND a 7D, both at around the $2,000 price point, to satisfy different needs. Canon has a gap (or two) to fill between the 50D and the 5D Mk 2
??? Pentax has 8 of them, Canon has not 1 EF-S that is weather sealed.
Fully weather sealed Pentax lenses (keep in mind X 1.5 for equivelent 35mm):
DA Star 16-50mm 2.8 ED AL IF SDM
DA Star 200mm 2.8 ED IF SDM
DA Star 300mm 4.0 ED IF SDM
DA Star 50-135mm 2.8 ED IF SDM
DA Star 55mm 1.4 SDM
DA 60-250mm 4.0 ED IF SDM
DA 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 AL WR – only $193.68
DA 50-200mm 4-5.6 ED WR – only $245.70
So for $1060 one could buy a K-20 with the two WR lenses for a fully weather sealed entry level DSLR with an upgrade path to the K7 and the DA Star lenses.
This is what Canon should have in its EF-S lineup. Dedicated APS-C high quality weather resistent lenses and focus the EF line on FF bodies. That would kick everyone’s arse for some time.
Yeah this is really bugging me. The 50 5D2 that died in Antartica were only exposed to light drizzle and temps around what you’d find in New York winter days. But you walk around in pouring rain with an inexpensive Pentax??? WTF???
If Pentax can put it in lenses selling under $250 and bodies selling for under $700 so could Canon. The K20 has 72 weather seals, the K7 has 77. For Canon to hold this out as a “pro only” feature you have to pay $4500 to $8000 to get is not right.
Yeah RAW files are way more intensive than compressed HD video
This is an interesting discussion, but it seems the facts are getting “a tad” incorrect. Let’s get these facts straight here, on that Antarctica trip there were 26 (not 50) 5DIIs, of which 6 (not 50) failed, and of these 3 were back working the next day. All of them failed after put inside plastic bags that were then sealed (users scared of all this FUD going on) so what happened was CONDENSATION (no electronic equipment is rated to work at 100% humidity so no surprise they stopped working), and the cameras NOT put inside plastic bags continue to work. See, easy, correct facts help increase argument credibility and tell things the way they are.
Weather sealing on a mid-price body for wildlife shooters would be awesome – who wants to take a 5K-8K camera into the jungle – have you seen what serious bug spray does to plastic and rubber grips – it ain’t pretty. I will sacrifice a 2K camera to the wild, but not a top of the line model.
You bring up an excellent point, this rumor started in China.
Yep you’re right. That’s what I get for rushing between things when writing here and not checking out a blog source for accuracy.
Still, I think Canon should not hold weather sealing out as a pro-only feature.
Yeah, weight is a huge factor for backpacking/hiking and lugging a 1D3 with 24-70 & 70-200 2.8 IS for weather sealing is not so fun (now using 5D2 with 100-400 though but the lack of weather sealing on lens especially is worrisome). At one time I was willing to lug the 200 1.8 & 400 2.8 out in the wild, but not anymore. A weather sealed 60D with a weather sealed 100-400 would be great. A couple of weekends ago I went hiking in the local mountiains and crossed paths with a guy with a K7 and 50-200mm 4-5.6 ED WR and my Canon gear was just huge and heavy in comparison and I thought if the T1i and a few EF-S lenses were weather sealed that would be perfect for backpacking.
I suspect the 60D will replace the 50D and stay in that price point for 500D/40D/30D/etc upgraders. A 7D I could see in the 2K price point though.
Let’s do another full weather sealing price comparison pitting the cheapest Canon fully weather sealed two lens system against the Pentax K-7 (Yes in US DOLLARS…lol:
Canon 1D Mark III – 1.3 Crop – $4500
Pentax K-7D – 1.5 Crop – $1300 (built in body IS)
Canon 24-70 2.8 L – $ 1,190.00 after rebate (No IS)
Pentax 16-50mm 2.8 ED (24-75 eqiv) – $ 689.95
Canon 70-200 2.8 L IS – $1,699.95 after rebate
Pentax 50-135 2.8 (70-202 equiv) – $ 799.95
Canon system: $7390.00
Pentax System: $2790.00
Save yourself $4600 or buy yourself the rest of the DA Star weather sealed lenses and another K-7!
HELLOOOOOOO?????
CANON, ANYONE HOME?????
Let’s do another full weather sealing price comparison pitting the cheapest Canon fully weather sealed two lens system against the Pentax K-7 (Yes in US DOLLARS…lol:
Canon 1D Mark III – 1.3 Crop – $4500
Pentax K-7D – 1.5 Crop – $1300 (built in body IS)
Canon 24-70 2.8 L – $ 1,190.00 after rebate (No IS)
Pentax 16-50mm 2.8 ED (24-75 eqiv) – $ 689.95
Canon 70-200 2.8 L IS – $1,699.95 after rebate
Pentax 50-135 2.8 (70-202 equiv) – $ 799.95
Canon system: $7390.00
Pentax System: $2790.00
Save yourself $4600 or buy yourself the rest of the DA Star weather sealed lenses and another K-7!
HELLOOOOOOO?????
CANON, ANYONE HOME?????
I agree totally with you regarding the (useful) weather sealing. What I think is this: although weather sealing by itself is not expensive, the problem is that Canon will have to redo all the pieces to fit the seals; imagine that instead of two edges just touching each other they will both have to have depressions for the o-rings (or at least a wider surface for rubber gaskets). So, there is a big initial investment in cost and implementation. You see, Pentax started a new model line already with weather seals, so next models will have this for no additional cost. As Canon doesn’t have it (the seals) as they have been relying so much on their sensors until not long ago, they will have to sooner or later put seals. When is this going to happen? only the moment people stop buying the cameras because of that, until then Canon will keep milking us with the same body designs to maximize their profits in relation to the investment. However, one never knows, maybe Canon got to that point already and we might get a (good) surprise with the next xxD model. One can only hope.
I agree with you. Canon will not change their thinking unless their consumers start demanding it and money starts being spent elsewhere. So as a long time Canon shooter I’m demanding it now. If the 60D is just another minor update I may just buy a K-7 and a DA Star 60-250mm 4.0 ED IF SDM (90-375mm equiv) for backpacking/wildlife – and who knows where that might lead buying-wise down the road.
Canon has so far avoided competing head to head with Nikon on several models, but the K-7 & 50D are the same type and price point. I hope it gets Canon’s attention so they start innovating and leading instead of holding their own.
Of course Canon is not going to just switch everything over to weather sealing, but they could start with the updated and new releases.
I hope you are right about a nice surprise.
I need to buy a new camera already. Canon just announce it now and ship it much later, all this anticipation is killer.
Right now the D3 looks tempting already….
7d is more likely to be true.It s a monster speed to its rival, the D300s. Since 50D released last year( August 2008), i dont see any chance for the 60D announcement.
I believe that nikon doesnt mind to upgrade their D90 to d90xs if canon willing to bring the 60D along this year.
I’m still crossing my fingers for a 400 f4.5 L IS (or better yet f4). No DO optics, something extremely sharp with great color and contrast. I still can’t get over how well designed Minolta’s discontinued 400 4.5 was – Google it – simply stunning. Include a sliding lens hood like the 300 f4 and it would be a thing of beauty, and great for wilderness work.
was it not that the xxd moved to 1 year cycle ?
just curious have you used the 400 DO?
The 400 DO looks like it does a nice job in a smaller package. The L just means they used Florite instead of the diffractive optics. For me I’d like a newly designed 100-400 – for backpacking I’m over the primes.
7D, not likely… how can you make a FF camera *below* the 5D2 other than by simply chopping out MPs? the 5D2’s body is worse than a 40D’s, and the AF is from its four year old predecessor. canon isn’t going to come out with something that undercuts the 5D2, especially when they’re still selling like hot dogs at a taping of Oprah.
This rumor might have gained some credibility with the Sony A850 leak. If Sony is putting out a FF around the $2K price point, you are going to see the rest of the industry scrambling to stay competitive in that market segment.
70D 80D 90D… what´s next?
Why not ask Pentax people why they’re jumping off their boats ?.
Yeah I’ve shot with it a little and no offense, it’s obviously a very nice lens but I wouldn’t put it in the same league as the 200 f2, 300 2.8 or the 500 f4, but of course they are off the charts. I think 400 f4 is an ideal size, but if I’m going to drop 5K on a lens it better drop some jaws on a regular basis. Again no offense, I’m sure in the right light the 400 F4 DO can produce awesome results.
I think this rumour has some credibility. Now Sony A850 will be coming out next month which brings the price of full frame below $2000, I think Canon is responding to it. Sony A850 will be a scaled down version of A900 and if Canon can come up with a 15-16MP full frame, it will kill the Sony A850 and also Nikon D300S, D700x (vapourware). In a way this will a single stone to kill both the targets.
+1, 1.3x FTW
24-105L or 17-40L and 70-200/4L would save quite a bit of money. And 8 lenses is hardly a massive lineup.
they’re gonna drop the numbers and call it the Rioter, more powerful than the Rebel!
How many lenses do you need? 8 are fully weather sealed, they have other lenses that are not, but there are no EF-S glass that are weather sealed.
Okay, so you’re saying save some money with Canon by going with F4.0 lenses instead of 2.8 ones? Not a good trade if you ask me, but let’s see what that is:
Canon 1D Mark III – 1.3 Crop – $4500
Pentax K-7D – 1.5 Crop – $1300 (built in body IS)
Canon 24-105 4.0 IS – $ 1,149.00
Pentax 16-50mm 2.8 ED (24-75 eqiv) – $ 689.95
Canon 70-200 4.0 L IS – $1,025.00 after rebate
Pentax 50-135 2.8 (70-202 equiv) – $ 799.95
Canon: $6674.00
Pentax: $2790.00
OK so now the Canon system is only $3884.00 more, and you lose F2.8 for F4.0 – how is this good exactly?
APS-H is an evolutionary dead-end.
Canon is going to have to compete in this price point at some time. Interesting the A850 doesn’t have video.
-100, 1.3 can’t compete with the FF D700, A850, A900, & D3 competition, bury the sucker aleady.
Canon would have been smart to have made the 1D3 FF and head off the D3 that came out later that year. They better put the 1.3 out to pasture soon and start competing.
Because their cameras keep working when wet!
:)~
the 5D2’s body is worse that a 40D? I dont see how.
anyway, they could make a 7D FF by dropping the MP to 16, bump the fps up to 8, put it in a 5D2 body (but with real weather sealing for outdoors) and they’d have something to answer the A850 & D300s with. Target one for the high rez crowd and the other to sports/wildlife/PJ. They already do this with the 1Ds/1D – the 5D2 is the baby 1Ds3 and the 7D would be the baby 1D3.
Let’s look at it another way. For the same money you can buy a weather sealed 1D3 with 24-70 & 70-200 2.8 kit costing $7390.00 you could get:
Pentax Weather Sealed IS System
K-7D – 1.5 Crop – $1300 (body IS makes all glass IS)
16-50mm 2.8 ED (24-75mm) – $ 689.95
50-135 2.8 (70-202) – $ 799.95
60-250 (92-383mm) 4.0 ED $ 1,299.95
200 (300mm) 2.8 ED $ 959.95
300 (450mm) 4.0 ED $ 1,119.95
Plus a couple of non-weather sealed but still nice:
FA 77mm (115mm) f/1.8 $ 729.95 (gives the 135mm 2.0 a run)
DA 10-17mm f/3.5-4.5 ED $459.93 (fisheye fun)
That’s a sweet 7 lens kit from fisheye to 450mm, including three fast primes, and you can still save yourself $30 off the Canon two lens kit.
it is just a 5D refurbished
its time for a new nameing system what will we do after 90d comes? in like 2013
7D FF at 1200-1400 Euro would be fine !!!
have fun and keep posting. I like every news on a 60D /7D. Now that even a Sony A850 instruction Manual has leaked, maybe there will be even more about Canon quite soon. Won’t upgrade either but I love every improvement into the right direction…thank canon guy.
YES !
http://photorumors.com/2009/08/01/sony-a850-will-be-full-frame/
sony rumors is talking about the a850, a FF camera for 2.000 dollars…
probably the thing to look up to
as long as they don’t call call it the Rioter
having the Rebel is embarassing enough
very true… there is a lack of good upgrade standard zoom with a wider range of focal lengths. I wonder if Canon has plans to do something like this.
A 200-400 f4 would be awesome too, I wouldn’t be surprised if Canon roll one out. I understand Nikon’s is an extremely popular lens for wildlife photography.
I’m still find myself coming back to the 300 2.8 – lightweight, very fast when you need it and takes converters very well when you need the reach.
I’d trade the 100mm’s for a fixed F4 no problem. I love the 300 2.8 but finding it too heavy and large for backpacking, especially in the mountains where hiking is more like climbing at times. Also replacement cost is a factor last time I took the 400 2.8 hiking I slipped and the lens took a whack – then almost had a heart attack thinking about the cost of new one.
according to the A850 manual leaked on Sony’s web site it is FF 24.6 MP 3fps, and given the faster A900 is only $2300, the A850 has got to be under $2K.
Ha! The translation on this is crazy! What’s up with google translating some word over and over as “crab”?
After reading this, it looks like November release for the 7D FF.
All of this additions and with cheaper price ?
It’s not supposed to compete with FF, it’s supposed to bury the APS-C cams. Sony is supposed to be coming out with a stripped-out FF cam at around $2k soon, Nikon has the APS-C D300s; I think Canon could do very well with a 16-18MP 1.3x semi-pro sports/PJ/Wildlife cam. There’s no way they’ll sell a 6-8 fps FF cam with high end focusing for less than a 5D and APS-C is nearing a brick wall resolution/noise wise, so why not APS-H?
Because APS-H was intended to top APS-C back before any FF existed, and at the time it was as close to FF as you could get – hense it became Canon’s pro camera. Now FF is here, competition is releasing it, and prices have dropped on FF so there is no point to keeping APS-H.
1.3 crop ruins your wide angle and it’s not much of a tele advantage and you are limited to FF lenses so you can’t regain your wide angle like you can via EF-S on APS-C. We’re better off with a FF dynamic crop so we can use our wide angle lenses and crop when we want. Unless you want Canon to suck and offer more limited and outdated cameras than the competition, in which case keeping APS-H makes sense.
The 1Ds3 is $8000, the 1D3 is $4500 in the same body – charging a premium for higher rez is already being done. They don’t have to match the D300s & A850 prices exactly, just get it close and between the 50D and 5D2 – hell even if it was $2200 it would sell like hot cakes, and they can come out with an improved 5D3 a year later.
Bottom line is Canon can’t just let Sony dominate the FF market in the $2000ish price range.
see to believe, up untill than .. just wait hehehe
i would definetly upgrade from my 40D to something like this… i dont have the cash for a 5dII…
1200-1400 Euros is expensive for that camera. I prefer paying a little more and get a 5DMII.
i like how cheap FF sounds but sounds like wishful thinking especially at 1200. they’d undermine the 5dm2 so hard if they made a FF for 12 hundo. all the same i wish it would happen
that might be a good thing! take the original 5D, sensor and all, give it the anti-dust thingy and a new screen, and it could go for $1800.
that would sell like wildfire, but i’m not sure that canon would want to undercut the 5D2 so early in its life. (it’s one year old this month. maybe when its 18 months old?)
yes, but the different sensor size makes for much of the price difference. 1d and 1ds are the same if not for the sensor size and the mirror box. but in this case we are talking about the same sensor size (and mabye same sesnor with one that got capped pixels) but with better mirror box, better sealing, and better auto focus system. I don’t believe that any camera that is speced that high will be cheaper in price than the 5d even if it had less mega pixels. This would sound more like a 1d mark IV which will have less pixels but better overall performance…
1Ds & 1D are the not just sensor size differences – the 1D is low rez high fps and the 1Ds is high rez low fps – they can keep that distiction with a FF sensor – I doubt anyone buys a 1D because of the 1.3 crop and would not rather have FF.
I was not talking from spec wise. I was talking from the mechnical part of things. the sensor size & mirror box difference is the thing that seperates the 1ds from the 1d and as a result the difference of their spec.
now if some one tell me that they are going to produce a 7d with a 16MP and 3fps same body as the 5d mark II then I may believe it.
But an FF with with almost 1d specs for less than the price of a 5d mark II? I will bit now on $100,000 that this will never happen and is not what comming next.
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