February 9, 2010 Announcements [CR2]

i have 8000$ to spare… give me some new stuff

this gives you a 1Ds IV…or a 1D IV and a nice white lens ;-)

I think the new Rebel will sound like a Nikon D90, and the xxD line will disappear…

Nikon D90…Canon 9D?

A rebel may well be (hint, hint)

As for the 60D, forget it (at least for this comming year, sorry for those who are waiting).

In the current market there is no, i repeat NO room for a 60D to exist between the 7D and the Rebel series.
I’ll explain again why there won’t be a 60D released.

1. The new Rebel will be another step up. Making the gap between 7D and Rebel series smaller.

2. Canon can’t go up with the megapixels for the 60D as this would hurt 7D sales.

3. Canon can’t improve the AF of the 60D as this would hurt 7D sales

4. Current market price of the 7D is more or less the same as the market price of 50D last year. Where to put the pricepoint for the 60D? Canon is in the game for making money, not to loose money.

5. 60D can’t be introduced before an upgrade of the 7D and 5D2 has taken place. As we all know before the 5D2 can be replaced we need to wait for the 1Ds MKiv to be introduced.

6. Canon made a mistake by not fitting the 7D with an APS-H sensor. Due to the fact that the 7D has a APS-C sensor format 50D can only be upgraded by adding video functionality.

7. If you whish for a 60D now you will basically get:
– 15.1 MP CMOS sensor
– No or only minor improvements on ISO performance
– 9 Point AF
– 1020P 30fps video (no manual functions)
– 720P video (no manual functions)

Is this what the consumer wants?

2000D as 1000D needs movie mode

60D as 50D needs movie mode

Very little else needs improvement in these cameras.

thx for the tips..;D

Why does the 50D exist at all when there’s a 500D?

You clearly aren’t thinking very hard about what you’re writing.

I Believe its going to be a 1000d/XS and a 50d replacement.

Possible a flip screen on the 200d?

It’s so vague it’s just pure guesswork. If this “source” actually knew something there would be more details, as such this is just a random wishlist.

60d with a new Movie Mode.50d had none!wth?are you talking about there`s no replacement for the 50d?LOL..

1 – the form factor between xxxD and xxD is very different. It doesn’t matter if xxxD gets upgraded features, it still would not take over xxD for serious photographers.

2 – plain wrong. The 500D got near enough the same sensor as the 50D. The 50D is still selling nicely.

3 – partially agree. They couldn’t give it the full system from 7D, but I wouldn’t totally rule out any upgrade at all.

4 – not true (at least in UK). The 50D price this time last year is about 70% of 7D price now. There is still room above current 50D and under 7D to squeeze one in.

5 – there is no reason to tie the xxD release schedule to xD cameras, expect possibly sharing tech with the 7D line in future. Even then, the 60D would be inheriting from 7D so there is no reason to wait.

6 – by the same argument you could say if the 7D got APS-H then it would hurt the 1D4. There are still many areas of differentiation left between 7D and xxD line, such as weather sealing, viewfinder, AF system, shooting rate, battery type.

7 – I see it likely it would get the same sensor as 7D, which would give it up to a stop more usable high ISO. Throw in any video at all and that is enough. If you think that is a small jump, look back at the 40D to 50D move. That basically got you a new sensor and higher resolution screen.

Assuming a return to 18 month cycle on xxD series, an announcement would be expected in 1st half of this year so we’ll know soon enough either way.

as there are at least two 1D’s either hitting the streets already and another one to be expected (early fall?)to announce upgraded lenses and stuff seems a reasonable move to my eyes…only my 2 cents, though.

the other camera will be 7D mark II
with APSH sensor!!! cool!

call me dreamer!

Big problem, please help me out:

I’m an enthusiast and my camera bag with my 500d and all my accessories has recently been stolen. I had chosen the 500d over the 50d ,despite of it’s lesser build, because it was a lot newer and had extra functionality.

Right now, my dream would be a 7d (E 1100, oct 2009), but my budget is too low. Right now my choice is between the 50d (E 660, aug 2008), 500d (E 450, mar 2009) and the Nikon d90 (E 500, aug 2008). Of these camera’s I think the d90 has the best functionality and performance (though the build is slightly less than the 50d).

Intuitively I am drawn to canon over nikon, but rationally I have to admit that the d90 is better. Because I lost all accessories I have nothing (except my feelings) that binds me to canon so this is a fundamental decision

I need a Canon 60d, to compete with the Nikon d90.

Should I wait for such a camera? I don’t think I have a lot of time, I want to get shooting again.

Or can somebody convince me that the 50d is as good as the d90?

Or should I go for the d90?

your comments are welcome.

I had the same situation with you. 500d is not at the same level with d90, and 50d is somewhat side-leveled. there is a huge gap between 500d and 7d and Canon is just leaving this market to Nikon if they take no action.

I am still waiting for a possible 60d in Feb. if not i probably need to think of changing to Nikon, sadly.

If you are moving from a camera phone; get a 20/30/40d from eBay. More features and ever more megapixels won’t make you a better photographer. Experiment with the aperture and shutter priority modes rather than the program modes. Once you have a reasonable idea of how these affect how the image is captured you can then progress to full manual mode and be the one taking the pictures rather than the camera. This will enable you to take the pictures you want to take and enable you to develop composition skills. As you go along invest in L series lenses, these will last as you can use them across the Canon DSLR range. They will enable you to make more and hopefully better choices in your compositions. Don’t get distracted by all the bells and whistles.

What exactly is the point of the 60D? I still think the 7D should have been called the 60D. If they make one they’ll have two cameras with almost identical feature sets for similar prices $1400-1700. Just pay a few bucks more and get a 7D and get the better viewfinder and ergo’s.

Instead of a 60D they should make a smaller metal camera. Currently their only small DSLR is the Rebel, and the plastic on that camera feels like an eggshell and obviously has no weather seals.

Agree the 7D should have had an APS-H sensor and started a whole new series of APS-H sensor cameras.

The FF line: Large sensor/MPix for wedding and professional
– 1DS and 5D line

The APS-H line: High sensitivity for Photojournalism, Sports
– The 1Dmark IV would be the top end
– 7D as “amateur photojournalist” camera (could have been)

The APC-C line : Joe photographer camera
– Bird line
– Mom soccer camera
– megapixel counters

I’m ALL for a NEW Rebel being announced! Don’t get me wrong, the T1i is an awesome dslr for the price….but that crippled 1080p at 20 fps was a major misstep by Canon. I hope they correct that in the update, then I’ll definitely get one. :-)

I’d pick up the D90 or what about a cheap used 40D to hold you over? You could probably find one for 600 or less.

The D90/5000 are completely different cameras from a D300s. The D300s is a big, heavy, magnesium built tank-like pro-grade camera and the D90 is a plastic consumer product. The D5000 is obviously entry level (not even sure why you mentioned that one, it has nothing to do with this market segment).

However, a 60D and 7D will be very similar. Both magnesium, both heavy as hell, both pro or near pro-grade construction, fast FPS, and both will most likely be priced within $400 of each other. The plastic D90 is almost half the cost of a D300s. If Canon wants to make two magnesium APS-C cameras then cool, but they should at least be somewhat different. How about making a metal camera that weighs less than a two pounds for example? At least then there would be a clear choice.

It depends on what you are taking pictures of and what you are going to do with them. Why do you need a camera to compete? Are more megapixels going to make you a better photographer? How many pixels can you fit on an A4 or A3 print? How much functionality do you need?
Good photographs are the result of a good composition and subject. There isn’t a feature to do that for you. Get a xxD either new or from eBay, and spend the rest of the money on really good lenses (Canon L series). Learn how to use the M(anual) mode. Once you have reached the limits of what you can do with the camera then it is worth spending the money on the body.
Wiser and better photographers than me have taught me that a big camera doesn’t equate to a big talent.

why do you need to c o m p e t e with a d90? I am purchasing a cam according to my technical needs, not for competition’s sake. or what did you exactly mean by that? sorry, as a non anglo-based poster I might be missing something.

A 40D to get accquainted with dslr’s is a sound and fine advice. I’m using a 30D getting to the limits according to my high iso/low light photography. So budgetwise, a 7D MK II will be my next purchase, as I expect some improved high ISO IQ. Anything possible within the given laws of physics will be ok. Native and therefore usable ISO 12800 would be great.

I think I know what the “R” stands for.

+1

Like I said in another post: I think I know what the “R” stands for.

You officially now have zero credibility.

Well that they could do, but then it wouldn’t be a 60D…well, I guess they could call it a 60D, but it would be a totally different form factor from the 20D/30D/40D/50D. So That would be a bit confusing to me. Canon certainly does need a camera between the Rebel and the 7D, that’s a huge gap, but the 40D/50D/60D line is currently extremely similar to the 7D. A little variety would be nice. IMHO they basically need to take the Rebel XTi and put it into a small magnesium body with dual control dials and use the 7D’s viewfinder. Maybe ask around $1100 for it.

The Rebel XTi is a great little camera, it’s just too cheaply made to be considered a “budget” enthusiast camera to me. Cameras like the D90 or Pentax K20D are simply much much better made.

Err..misread what you said, I thought you said make a plastic 60D similar to the Nikon D90 at first glance.

My only question is, if they can sell a camera that is almost exactly the same as a 7D for $1100, which a magnesium 60D with video would be, then why pay $1700 for a 7D when all you’re getting is better VF and slightly better AF?

I had a Ixus for quite a while after having a film slr and it took some very nice pictures. Then I wanted to take the pictures again so got a dslr. As with most technology a better, newer, faster one is just around the corner.
Pop to your nearest electronics store and find the least plasticy one they do at you price point.

3D 3D 3D 3D 3D…….[/chant]

Canon should make something between the Rebel and XXD that focuses on having the best high ISO available in a crop camera and under $1500, for lack of a better name lets call it a 60D. This could easily be different enough from other cameras to have its own niche…

Less than 7D: Only 10-12 MP, non-sealed body, 4-6 frams/sec, no flash master, smaller viewfinder, less autofocus points (I would still like autofocus to be based on new system), limited movie ability,

Less that 5D2: Less MP, crop sensor (DOF), ISO almost as good per pixel but with 1/2 as many pixels there would be less ability to get cleaner images by compressing the image, more limited movie ability

I am sure I am not the only person willing to pay $1300-$1500 for this camera. I actually believe this camera would be a huge hit with consumers.

Meaby together with the introduction of 1Ds MKiV…. on the other hand it might not :)

Actually the Rebel T1i is perfect for my needs. I travel alot, and like the small size. Throw it and a couple of primes in my bag, along with the 10-22mm for landscapes, and I’m good to go. :-)

I’m not traveling again until the spring, so I’m hoping that by then I’ll find out if the 500D gets an update. The only thing I’m holding out for is 1080p at 24 or 30fps and perhaps a 720p at 60fps too. I really don’t want them to bump up the mega pixels to 18. Please god no. Lol.

I’m sure they’ll make some other “tweeks”, but otherwise I’m good. :-P

Give us another :D 24-70IS ????

I couldn’t agree more. Nicely said. Also I like your suggestion about manual mode. I use it a lot, and consider myself an advanced amateur and I still make tons of mistakes. It’s almost always user error, not the camera’s fault.

One nice thing about the Rebel series T1i is that it is lightweight. I used a T1i on my trip to Europe recently and a 17-55IS lens for 80% of my shots. The other 20% with a 85 1.8. This made a fantastic light kit. 15 mp gave me the flexibility to crop away.

However, for most of my day to day photography I use a heavier kit.

And probably among pros too. A good back up body.

“In some form”

Sure, if you supply enough vague information some of it will check out eventually – in some form.

BTW … 40D goes to ISO 3200, which is about as high as you can use on a crop, and the quality is about on par with the 7D (although the 7D will give you 18MP)

The 40d is a jolly good camera. I have one at the bottom of my kit bag, it has paid for itself along with a couple of L series lenses and saved me at least once. Before every job I make sure that the camera works, the batteries are charged, the optics and lenses are clean and then pack my kit bag. One day I arrived to disover I hadn’t actually put the camera back in the bag. The previously somewhat unloved 40d covered in the bits of ? that live in the bottom of bags took all the pictures I needed to take. The client was more than happy and has used me since.

Fair point, but for the price of a P&S with all the megapixels and all the other toys you can get a pretty decent xxxD or xxD from eBay and be able to take photographs.

SX200 replacement with zoom in video mode and touchscreen with “touch and track”?

A great start -which I recommended to many friends and they loved it- will be a Rebel (XSI is good) with kit lens, and pay an extra 100$ for a 50/1.8 for portraits and low light… you’ll immediately get the feel of how much difference there is between an SLR (even entry level) and a P&S. Good luck with your choices :D

Better the latter – a EOS-1Ds Mark IV without an “L” lens is worth absolutely nothing.

Tafasta meruba – lo tafasta

Non sequitur.

Doesn’t matter, they are all sh*t – http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2007/05/how-to-choose-digital-point-and-shoot.html

“• Don’t agonize over the choice. Pick one and stop worrying.

• Take the time you would have spent obsessively shopping and spend it mastering the camera you did buy.

• When (not if) you get frustrated while photographing with one of the little beasties, don’t let it get you down. They’re all imperfect. Just shrug and say “oh well” and move on.”

If you want a camera to take snapshots of your life than decide on the budge, go to the store and either pick and random or select one that you think looks “the best”.

Sounds good to me. The only thing stopping me from picking up a 50D is it’s somewhat disappointing high ISO quality.

If the 60D is coming than it really doesn’t make sense to have another 18mp APS-C. Among all the other points that were made in this thread, I think at a glance it(18mp) would appear too similar to the 7D. So here’s to hoping that Canon sees it that way as well.

I Agree..a Firmware update [email protected] 120MB/s or higher?

Admin +1 Troll Alert.
IP Ban?Maybe..?

I don’t think you really understand what i meant.

I know good photography is not about the camera. I always use the different manual modes to shoot. I’m way beyond the auto settings. As long as I have been using DSLR I have literally NEVER used them. I have been taught properly.

It’s not about the Mp’s. I don’t need more than 12 MP. the d90 has 12.3 which is less than the 15 MP of the 50d. It’s one of the reasons it performs better, which I probably don’t have to explain to you.

As I explained to “Abcdefg” (above), it’s certain other features that I find appealing in newer models like the d90:

-A lot less noise when using higher ISO. (compare them on dpreview.com or camerazone.de)
-A much better metering system. More accuracy means less failure when you have little time to set it up manually.
-Vignetting and CA correction (saves a lot of time editing)

It has all to do with efficiency and some time-saving. I have to admit though, that even with such comforts, taking nice pictures still takes a lot of time and patience.

I’m sure the 14-24/2.8 will be one of the new lenses – after all Nikon has one and it’s been a big hit.

Nikon is also doing quite well with their DX 35/1.8 standard lens – there have been a number of rumours of a similar Canon EFS lens. Perhaps the needs of 7D users will help the cause of new primes….

A ‘2 birds with 1 stone’ solution could be an upgrade of the aging EF 35/2 – still a reasonable performer. A little tweaking for the digital age, ring USM focusing, and a lens to sell to 1x, 1.3x and 1.6x camera users!

Whatever happened to DO lenses, Canon did say years ago that “DO lenses would be included in many EF lenses in the future”?

Yep, both vignetting and CA correction is nice and can be a time-saver but only if you’re shooting in JPEG only or if you’re shooting in RAW and using the camera’s proprietary software package (i.e. DPP or CaptureNX2).

If you’re using a third party software package to process RAW (i.e. Aperture or LR) this automatic lens correction features are unavailable.

Oh please. You just said that “there’s nothing wrong with 20fps”.

You deserve to be called out on such an idiotic statement.

It is always worth giving serious consideration to the difference between what one wants and what one needs. It is also worth considering what happens if you buy a d90 and a 60d is released; would your photographs become somehow inferior?

What do you want to take photographs of?

You’re right, of course they wouldn’t. But choosing a brand is a very definitive decision. It means I will buy 2 or 3 lenses suitable for full frame, and other accessories. In that way I bind myself to that brand. that’s why I want to choose wisely.

Several of my family members have Canon DSLR’s. I can use and borrow their accessories. that’s why I want a “canon d90”. question is whether it’s worth waiting for some rumored camera that may be far too expensive.

Obviously I’m thinking way too far ahead.

I think I’ve already made up my mind though. I think nikon is a good bet. As several people have already suggested their sensor development is more about quality than pixel quantity.

Well, this is just me, but your sentiment for a camera is not to be under valued, I personally enjoy shooting on the canon and even the sony bodies more then the nikons, that’s not to say there’s anything wrong with the nikon bodies it’s just my preference.

I think a second hand 40D might be good to tie you over if your interested in sticking with canon, if your not then pick yourself up a D90 and get out there and shoot!

One final note, as was pointed out, the auto correction stuff (CA and illumination) is only useful if you have a particular work flow, if you don’t shoot a lot of jpg and process your raws in non manufacturer software they won’t do much. If you are a raw shooter and use photoshop, just buy which ever camera “feels” the best to shoot and learn to live/work around it’s flaws.

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a 60d would/should/could =

– similar size and build to previous xxd
– new/improved sensor + higher/better ISO capabilities than 50d; mp TBD
– dual slots for CF and SD (to accommodate Rebel users upgrading)
– +video
– no built-in flash commander (they have to leave something out, and while that’s a great feature, there are other ways of triggering a flash. Especially if you already own an ste2 :D)
– improved AF, but without the zillions of focus points of the 7d
– slower fps/processor than the 7d

I’d buy one ~$1100-1200 in a heartbeat – I need to upgrade from my current Rebel body, but don’t need the extra speed the 7d offers. I’ve been holding off buying a 50d just in case something else emerges in February.

If the ISO also sets a new standard for a crop camera you will need to be fast to beat me into the line.

If you know someone with a 5dMk2 they are probably a good resource and I would make sure to talk to them.

A Rebel obviously has some limitations compared to both the 7D and the 5Dmk2 but the reality is that you can do at least 90% of the same things as you could with the other cameras. With out knowing more than you have written here I would say that the Rebel is probably the way to go.

If you have an iching to spend more money spend it on lenses. They will have a bigger impact on your pictures and last longer.

…this “comment page” is not really the right forum for this long of a response but I had the 15min to type the response and this is where you asked the question so…

Any recent SLR will be capable of giving you crisp real looking photos. For your use, the biggest advantages a more expensive camera might give you over a cheaper one are the ability to have clearer images in lower light and/or better autofocus ability.

The high ISO (low light) difference between the T1i and the 7D is very small. Many including myself hope Canon will announce a new Rebel or 60D in the near future that is better in this department but who knows. If you are always shooting outside under good daylight, or your kids are very good at holding still this doesnt matter anyway. Faster lenses (lower F stop) and/or using an external flash (you should consider one) help here but will behave the same regardless of camera.

Better autofocus is a place where the 7D should help some as it has a newly designed autofocus system and may be the biggest single advantage of the 7D for you. I still dont think it is enough of a difference to justify the extra size/cost of the 7D but I havent actually used a 7D either.

In addition to the updated autofocus the 7D has many “pro” type features that it sounds like you dont need (8 frames/sec, flash master, weather sealing, shutter durability, 18MP). None of these are bad things but they make the camera rather large and heavy in addition to being fairly expensive.

The best page I know of for detailed canon equipment reviews is the-digital-picture you should look there before you buy.

I have only read ~8 photography books but my favorite so far is The Photographers Eye.

My question for you is how did you manage to take 600 pictures on your trip with kids to keep track of? Perhaps your children are older/slower than mine.

“JS”?

+1

i don’t need speed (dual digic processors) or the ability for the thing to survive in a rainstorm, just a good camera.

the 7d was made for bird and sports photographers.

Does anyone know if another generation of XS(i) will be coming out? Seems like every two years and it should be about time. I’m thinking of getting one and don’t want buy too soon.

Jeff