Canon USA: The R3 line will continue

Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first), but I'll die on the hill that this would be a perfect place to stick a big megapickle sensor. The rebirth of the 1ds would be nice.

A cripple hammer of the R1 would be a tough sell over the R52 or even the 6 series, which will get some added speed for the Mark III. So would just sticking the R52 sensor in it.

The 3 series has no real heritage, they can do whatever they want with it. 5 and 1 are well defined.

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Not people on the internet, though ;)

Does anything? :giggle:

I think the person that would buy such a camera, would take an 80+mp over the 45. It wouldn't appeal to the hybrid crowd, but neither does the R1 or the current R3, and the R52 AF is already impressive as heck. The internet might be sort of happy?
 
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I think it would be really nice to continue the R3 line. No matter if high MP or as a "baby" R1.
If for the latter, maybe I would be in as I really like that smaller and lighter housing with integrated grip, compared to the R1.
If high MP, then I'd be out, but I know, it would make a lot of people here and in the world happy.

Canon, keep going on with R3 Mk XY... :cool:
 
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Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first), but I'll die on the hill that this would be a perfect place to stick a big megapickle sensor. The rebirth of the 1ds would be nice.

A cripple hammer of the R1 would be a tough sell over the R52 or even the 6 series, which will get some added speed for the Mark III. So would just sticking the R52 sensor in it.

The 3 series has no real heritage, they can do whatever they want with it. 5 and 1 are well defined.

Come at me!

No, can't call you crazy. This is what I posted on 20 June 2024 on the thread about the R1 announcement coming in mid-July thread:
Note: The following makes sense to me, but I do not have any evidence to support this post.
I'm now thinking the R3 series (R3m2) will become the "high" megapixel, slower frames per second camera. Great for studio and landscape work, weather sealed, high battery life, mixed media types (SD and Cfexpress), and new hardware and firmware to support the new lenses such as RF35f1.4L (and todays noted Tilt-Shifts). And, the R3 is slightly smaller than the rumoured R1, and only 100grams heavier than the 5D4.
I just don't think Canon would use a "numbered" camera for one cycle only. They could have gone the path of the same naming convention as the "RP" if it was a one and done.
The R3 series can then sit mid-cycle of the R1 series.
I think also, the rate technology is moving allows the R3 line to be an opportunity to filter up/down tech or introduce new features/tech as a test platform. For example, the new R1 accelerator chipset will probably need an update before the next R1 cycle.
Again, all speculation on my part.
 
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> The EOS-3 came out in 1998 and sat in between the EOS-1N from 1994 and the EOS-1N's eventual replacement, the EOS-1V in 2000.

I owned all three bodies, and you're right, more or less, in terms of increasing feature technical level, but as far as the lineup went, there was no way the 3 was at the 1N's level. It was a clearly a second-rung-from-the-top camera.

Unlike any of the EOS-1 series, the body was plastic not magnesium. The shutter cycle count was I think half, and wasn't top-tier x-sync and blacked out a lot longer. The shutter was also a lot louder and clickier. The viewfinder was a big step down. If I remember correctly the 3 didn't have interchangeable finder screens. (I usually had the split prism in my 1's and it worked fine with metering even though the documentation suggested it didn't. Maybe it just wasn't perfect.) The 3 couldn't take the right-angle finder. I think it also had an IR film advance sensor so you couldn't use it with IR film.

On the other hand, your article didn't mention (that I saw) the EOS-3's eye-controlled focus point selection which for me worked very reliably and I was sad to see it missing from the 1V.

The EOS-3 also had an excellent multiple-spot spot meter system. You could meter the darkest and lightest parts of a scene and see all the metered spots on the exposure meter at once. I forget if it was automatic or something you had to do manually but you could then get an exposure that would expose your darkest areas and brightest areas correctly (assuming the film had the DR for it) whether the overall scene was dark or light.

In summary the 3 was not a flagship body or finder or shutter or accessory ecosystem, but on the other hand had the latest greatest technology and specs including several features that the 1N lacked or didn't quite measure up to. I often shot the 28-70 on one body and 70-200 on the other, for reportage/wedding/street type stuff. But when I left the house to shoot landscape etc. or otherwise was just taking one Canon, it was the 1N and later 1V. Never once did I leave the house with just the 3.

(In my backpack I always had the Yashica T4 with the Zeiss 35/3.5, which was fun but honestly wasn't great. I then switched to Contax G2 with 28/45/90 as my backpack camera and loved that except for the AF noise. I also had a Mamiya 7 + 43/80/150, and a Rollei SL66+80/2.8 in those days, both phenomenal cameras that I'd totally have loved digital versions of. I then got a couple Leica bodies, a .58x and .85x, with 35/1.4 and 75/1.4, but when I got my 1DsMkI, I basically couldn't stand the hassle of film and sold everything but the Canon system.)
 
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Waiting 12 months, sticking in the R5II sensor but with more advanced AF software would make a lot of people happy. Not people on the internet, though ;)
A month ago, I called photographer anybody who has owned a camera for more than 6 months, I just divided them into pro vs non-pro. Ever since the presentation of the R1, I upgraded my dictionary into "people of internet" vs photographer.
Someone said once "when you don't know much, you think you know everything. The more you know, the more you realize that you don't know much". People on the internet is sure that it knows everything. I watched a video about the R1, they said that they had a chance to play with it really for 45min and they already had a sounding No about the camera. I have owned an R5 for 4 years, and I am still learning how to use it. I barely know that I need something more.
You listen to the people on the internet, you will stay on the same level for good.
 
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Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first), but I'll die on the hill that this would be a perfect place to stick a big megapickle sensor. The rebirth of the 1ds would be nice.

A cripple hammer of the R1 would be a tough sell over the R52 or even the 6 series, which will get some added speed for the Mark III. So would just sticking the R52 sensor in it.

The 3 series has no real heritage, they can do whatever they want with it. 5 and 1 are well defined.

Come at me!

I have no idea on what they'll do in the future, but whatever it is - I think it will be "sideways" of the R1. it won't replace the R1.

it wouldn't surprise me, but as i was thinking about it.. i could see the R3 Mark II getting the first global shutter as well. something like a 20MP global shutter camera.

Another thing they could do - is move the R3 to APS-C - say give it a 40MP APS-C stacked sensor.

anyone's guess - but a 120MP R3 Mark II sounds good, as does a 40MP APS-C R3-S
 
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Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first), but I'll die on the hill that this would be a perfect place to stick a big megapickle sensor. The rebirth of the 1ds would be nice.

A cripple hammer of the R1 would be a tough sell over the R52 or even the 6 series, which will get some added speed for the Mark III. So would just sticking the R52 sensor in it.

The 3 series has no real heritage, they can do whatever they want with it. 5 and 1 are well defined.

Come at me!
A rebirth of the 1Ds line is about the only thing that makes sense to me , but historically speaking it does not make sense given the purpose of previous 3-series. I also agree with your comment that Canon could decide to kill it off. Moreover, if Canon decided to launch a 1Ds like camera why would they not just call it the R1s instead of the R3? The other alternative is Canon's first camera with a global sensor.
 
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So omitting 4K60 oversampled 8K from the R5 II suddenly opens the door for a Pro-body 45MP camera?

Personal preference:

R1S - An R1 with the same/similar 45MP sensor as the R5 II
R3 II - Stacked APS-C or APS-H sensor, lightening fast. This would differentiate it from the R1

And for a slower, ultra-high 100MP camera, open up a new sku - R2
 
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Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first), but I'll die on the hill that this would be a perfect place to stick a big megapickle sensor. The rebirth of the 1ds would be nice.

A cripple hammer of the R1 would be a tough sell over the R52 or even the 6 series, which will get some added speed for the Mark III. So would just sticking the R52 sensor in it.

The 3 series has no real heritage, they can do whatever they want with it. 5 and 1 are well defined.

Come at me!
I agree but it should be an R3 S.
There is not real reason that the R3 needs to stay at 24 MP but it should not be much higher.
Maybe 33 MP or something like that.
 
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So omitting 4K60 oversampled 8K from the R5 II suddenly opens the door for a Pro-body 45MP camera?

Personal preference:

R1S - An R1 with the same/similar 45MP sensor as the R5 II
R3 II - Stacked APS-C or APS-H sensor, lightening fast. This would differentiate it from the R1

And for a slower, ultra-high 100MP camera, open up a new sku - R2
SRAW of R5ii does 4k60 oversampling.
 
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