Canon Officially Announces the Cinema EOS C50

[Bigglesworth]

Speaking with someone at Canon (they don't all hate me). Canon is moving on from the "true hybrid”. They have probably spent a ton of money on market research to learn what the majority of consumers are looking for.

We have heard for years from photographers (which is what we know best) that they don't care or want the video features. The same may be true of videographers. So embrace each segment and bring those customers the product they want at the price they want.

I haven't shot one video on my R1, and probably never will. That's just me though, I don't represent anyone else.

I'm a video person who occasionally gets a bunch of photo work and hybrid style shoots, so this hits that mark perfectly. Being able to snap a few photos on the fly, don't really need anything more than that. Hilariously, the video on the R1 is I think maybe the best they've ever put into any of their cameras. But it's not very useable for video in terms of form/function. There's never any satisfaction in this world, and I'm sure the video quality will be great with the C50, but my actual dream camera is an R1 in this form factor.

 

[sanj]

How does it beat R5c? Can someone educate me? Thank you. Full HDMI, XLR yeah, but no viewfinder?

 

[Canon Rumors]

I'm a video person who occasionally gets a bunch of photo work and hybrid style shoots, so this hits that mark perfectly. Being able to snap a few photos on the fly, don't really need anything more than that. Hilariously, the video on the R1 is I think maybe the best they've ever put into any of their cameras. But it's not very useable for video in terms of form/function. There's never any satisfaction in this world, and I'm sure the video quality will be great with the C50, but my actual dream camera is an R1 in this form factor.

It's so well specced video wise, it's probably great for photojournalists. For the video people, it's big and the R52 or this C50 is a way better option. The C80 or C400 offer things that overcome the size, and a different target market.

The C80 and the C50 are pure GAS for me, but thankfully I'm terrible with video and can buy lenses instead. I can't overcome both.

 

[tomislavmoze]

How does it beat R5c? Can someone educate me? Thank you. Full HDMI, XLR yeah, but no viewfinder?

I mean, better sensor ( faster read out, better DR according to CVP in super 35 on par with c70 according to canon with 16 steps of DR), clog-2, open gate video, better AF, faster switch from photo to video, better anamorphic support due to open gate, smaller size (to some it’s a bonus), higher second base ISO…

 

[jam05]

How does it beat R5c? Can someone educate me? Thank you. Full HDMI, XLR yeah, but no viewfinder?

Open Gate

 

[landon]

Canon is segmenting the C400, C80 and C50.
I wonder if we'll ever get a deeper C50 with ND, a mini-XLR, and BP battery?

 

[fox40phil]

For me is the worst: no sound record on 120fps video….

Even Sonys APS-C 6700 has it…

I would love to have a decent video camera from Canon which doesn’t overheat and can record sound on any resolution or fps… and does have in BEST case: inbody ND/eND, shutter angle, fast readout etc… but not for cinematic pro level stuff. Just really nice consumer shit -.-… can’t be that hard hm?!?!

Maybe Nikon is willing to fulfill my needs with their upcoming ZR?!?!

 

[FranksHungry]

R5C is photo first. C50 is vido first. Its no surpise, its right in the name and form factor.

R5C will be a better photo camera (viewfinder, mechanical shutter for long exposure. Flash sync for strobes, remote cable release for bulb and timelapse)

C50 will probably be a better video camera in most cases.

Makes total sense.

 

[Besisika]

Why use flash on videocam?

Videocam doesn't shoot 40fps photos.

 

[angelisland]

Still no oversampled 4k/60?????

Canon website says:
The EOS C50 features a newly developed 7K full-frame CMOS sensor. The sensor offers exceptionally low noise, enabling it to excel in a wide variety of lighting situations and maximizing the camera’s full dynamic range. The high resolution and realism of 7K enable richer creative expression as well as greater flexibility in workflows, including oversampled 4K 60P."

Hopefully it's full frame 4K/60, and the increased D.R. & lower noise pans out.

 

[landon]

Does the US price include the XLR handle, and the Australian price doesn't?

 

[sanj]

Open Gate

At 30 fps. Besides, the open gate is not of any importance to me. I frame my shots with deliberation.

 

[sanj]

I mean, better sensor ( faster read out, better DR according to CVP in super 35 on par with c70 according to canon with 16 steps of DR), clog-2, open gate video, better AF, faster switch from photo to video, better anamorphic support due to open gate, smaller size (to some it’s a bonus), higher second base ISO…

I mean, all of these things do not add up to not having a viewfinder. I think I will have to accept that this is not a true hybrid and keep my R5c. Note: In real life a faster switch from photo to video is not of much value. You do make some good points, though. It is a better video camera.

 

[Dragon]

Canon website says:
The EOS C50 features a newly developed 7K full-frame CMOS sensor. The sensor offers exceptionally low noise, enabling it to excel in a wide variety of lighting situations and maximizing the camera’s full dynamic range. The high resolution and realism of 7K enable richer creative expression as well as greater flexibility in workflows, including oversampled 4K 60P."

Hopefully it's full frame 4K/60, and the increased D.R. & lower noise pans out.

Just have to wait and see, I guess. No issue of quality if really starting with 7k. The data sheet only mentions HQ with respect to raw recording. No mention that Ican find of HQ mode for compressed recording, so not clear where oversampling is used. The sensor has several modes, including super 35 and super 16, which only makes the data sheet harder to decipher. One other little tidbit is most EF lenses (if not all) don't work in video mode unless you are using and LP-E6P battery. Do EF lenses draw more current than RF lenses?
EDIT. The B&H Q&A says is supports oversampled 4k up to 60P.

 

[tomislavmoze]

I mean, all of these things do not add up to not having a viewfinder. I think I will have to accept that this is not a true hybrid and keep my R5c. Note: In real life a faster switch from photo to video is not of much value. You do make some good points, though. It is a better video camera.

I think canon was vocal about it. This is a video camera with photo capabilities. I guess it’s not as balanced like the R5c was. Regarding the switch I know a lot of people including me that sometimes shoot both video and photo and the slow switching was the reason why I stayed on the R5 and later got the R5ii. Use cases vary and it’s hard to please all.

 

[jam05]

How does it beat R5c? Can someone educate me? Thank you. Full HDMI, XLR yeah, but no viewfinder?

7k Open Gate. That's huge. For about $1000 one may attaach a good third party universal EVF. On Canon Europe there is a C50 vs R5C comparison chart. However the most obvious and visual discernable advantage for most people is the form factor. And if one needs attachments the C50 has quarter 20s built into the body, where as the R5C would need a cage or bracket .

 

[SvO2]

Even with the benefit of fewer lines to read, it seems difficult to overtake the speed of the R5M2's fully stacked sensor. Upcoming CineD reviews promise to be interesting.

No flash sync also suggests the readout speed will be considerably slower.

 

[Cee Log]

I mean, all of these things do not add up to not having a viewfinder. I think I will have to accept that this is not a true hybrid and keep my R5c. Note: In real life a faster switch from photo to video is not of much value. You do make some good points, though. It is a better video camera.

No EVF and no mechanical shutter makes C50 inferior to R5C for stills. For just about everything else on the video side, C50 is better.

Depending on your needs both cameras are valid options. For me as a videographer first, C50 is the clear winner. Open gate and the XLR top handle alone are essentials for my workflow and shooting style.

 

[sanj]

7k Open Gate. That's huge. For about $1000 one may attaach a good third party universal EVF. On Canon Europe there is a C50 vs R5C comparison chart. However the most obvious and visual discernable advantage for most people is the form factor. And if one needs attachments the C50 has quarter 20s built into the body, where as the R5C would need a cage or bracket .

Request: Could you tell me how the 'open gate' concept works? In my 3 decades of photography/videography I never needed it or used it. What am I missing? What will I gain? Thx. Is it all about reframing in post?

 

[Canon Rumors]

Request: Could you tell me how the 'open gate' concept works? In my 3 decades of photography/videography I never needed it or used it. What am I missing? What will I gain? Thx. Is it all about reframing in post?

Open gate uses the entire 3:2 image sensor when recording video. A bonus is the ability to crop to multiple aspect ratios.