CIPA August 2025: Signs of Correction

[Richard CR]

The shipments from Japan this year have been somewhat puzzling, driven by the narrative and uncertainty surrounding the tariffs imposed by the United States across multiple industries. I long thought that the Japanese companies were working overtime and moving cameras everywhere, being completely unsure about what would happen this year. The first month of this […]

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[Maximilian]

Difficult to interpret, that's true...
Seems, that built-in lens cameras are gaining ground, because people recognize, that cell phone cameras cannot handle everything.
But ILC are still too big for those people, Vloggers, etc.

 

[andyw318]

There are three cameras I would buy immediately ifwhen Canon releases them:
1. R7 II (I have an R7)
2. RE-1 retro look camera (AE-1 was my dream camera as a kid)
3. G3x update (I’m still using my 2015 G3x)

 

[jam05]

Difficult to interpret, that's true...
Seems, that built-in lens cameras are gaining ground, because people recognize, that cell phone cameras cannot handle everything.
But ILC are still too big for those people, Vloggers, etc.

Everyone does not want everything on their cell phone even if it could handle it. Many people have second burner cell phones strictly for travel.

 

[jam05]

Powershot V1 and R50 doing well. I anticipate the C50 likewise.

 

[John Wilde]

Powershot V1 and R50 doing well. I anticipate the C50 likewise.

I wonder when Canon will release a photocentric Powershot with their new 1.4" sensor. It's a safe bet that they didn't create a new sensor and a new sensor size for just one camera model.

 

[Maximilian]

Many people have second burner cell phones strictly for travel.

I know, because of my business travel.
But many more people have jobs that do not involve travelling.
And many more people travel to countries where they feel safe and (think they) don't need "second burner cell phones".

 

[snapshot]

I know, because of my business travel.
But many more people have jobs that do not involve travelling.
And many more people travel to countries where they feel safe and (think they) don't need "second burner cell phones".

i prefer camera's with better low light performance and longer telephoto capabilities than cell phones currently deliver. cell phones do ok for well lit group photos, wide-ish angle scenery and white-board capture. but past that i think you need something else. i have a 1 inch super zoom pocketable for when my r5+R24-240 are too big to carry. also there are situations using a pocketable camera is more acceptable than an ILC would be.

 

[Maximilian]

i prefer camera's with better low light performance and longer telephoto capabilities than cell phones currently deliver. cell phones do ok for well lit group photos, wide-ish angle scenery and white-board capture. but past that i think you need something else. i have a 1 inch super zoom pocketable for when my r5+R24-240 are too big to carry. also there are situations using a pocketable camera is more acceptable than an ILC would be.

Fully agree and thank you, for being my role model (except for having an ILC, too )

 

[eninja]

Lol, in broad day light, my wife's phone takes better image than my R8.

It auto dim the bright background also brighthen up the face..

How can I defeat this?!

Sorry for the lack of better terms.

 

[snapshot]

Lol, in broad day light, my wife's phone takes better image than my R8.

It auto dim the bright background also brighthen up the face..

How can I defeat this?!

Sorry for the lack of better terms.

it is true. with the phone you get correction software for free. easy to draw mustaches on there too. i am not sure how a camera company can build a business case for good + free correction software for cameras like the r8. is the screen big enough to show off the pics in a social setting? on the otherhand, i think r8 + cannon's dpp software is more likely to get you large format printable results.

 

[Maximilian]

Lol, in broad day light, my wife's phone takes better image than my R8.

It auto dim the bright background also brighthen up the face..

How can I defeat this?!

Sorry for the lack of better terms.

Fully agree! In good light steady subject and no tele is needed, phones make (internally cook) photos, that look great, until you put them on a >24" screen.
But when light gets dim, action takes place, tele is needed and/or bigger prints/screens come into play, they get weaker in their results.
So I fully agree with @snapshot, too.

Getting back to the start:
I didn't want to start a discussion about Phones vs. P&S vs. ILC. Everybody please select the tool that works best for you.
I was just thinking about potential reasons, why P&S or built-in lens camera sales go up again...

 

[David_B]

There's not much to motivate anyone to buy a new camera. If you've got a 6D, why would you buy an R6 or R6II? Just to have another 24MP camera? Oh but this and that feature, you say. Still going to be a picture that's just the same as the camera someone already has. Now rinse and repeat for Sony & Nikon. The upgrades have not compelling enough for the hobbiest/casual shooter. Not to mention that 24MP is about half that of the typical phone.

This is why I think the R6III needs 32MP, or more - it's different/more and will encourage more buyers than another 24MP camera that I could probably take with an R8 or R8II which is much cheaper.

 

[David_B]

Many people have second burner cell phones strictly for travel.

Typically only if they're traveling to the USA.

 

[Nathalietje86]

I wonder when Canon will release a photocentric Powershot with their new 1.4" sensor. It's a safe bet that they didn't create a new sensor and a new sensor size for just one camera model.

I wonder this to i already thought they would already bring out a powershot for photographers, but we will wait and wait and wait

 

[photographer]

There's not much to motivate anyone to buy a new camera. If you've got a 6D, why would you buy an R6 or R6II? Just to have another 24MP camera? Oh but this and that feature, you say. Still going to be a picture that's just the same as the camera someone already has. Now rinse and repeat for Sony & Nikon. The upgrades have not compelling enough for the hobbiest/casual shooter. Not to mention that 24MP is about half that of the typical phone.

This is why I think the R6III needs 32MP, or more - it's different/more and will encourage more buyers than another 24MP camera that I could probably take with an R8 or R8II which is much cheaper.

I'm not sure if the 6D is the best example. I went from a 6D Mark II to the R and it was a leap! I wouldn't want to go back to SLRs.

 

[roby17269]

There's not much to motivate anyone to buy a new camera. If you've got a 6D, why would you buy an R6 or R6II? Just to have another 24MP camera? Oh but this and that feature, you say. Still going to be a picture that's just the same as the camera someone already has. Now rinse and repeat for Sony & Nikon. The upgrades have not compelling enough for the hobbiest/casual shooter. Not to mention that 24MP is about half that of the typical phone.

This is why I think the R6III needs 32MP, or more - it's different/more and will encourage more buyers than another 24MP camera that I could probably take with an R8 or R8II which is much cheaper.

While resolution is important (I am in the camp that wants more mp!), I think the leap from DSLR to mirrorless is significant, thanks to the improvements in AF. The AF of modern mirrorless alone would justify the upgrade in my humble opinion

 

[Maximilian]

While resolution is important (I am in the camp that wants more mp!), I think the leap from DSLR to mirrorless is significant, thanks to the improvements in AF. The AF of modern mirrorless alone would justify the upgrade in my humble opinion

Fully agree!
To me it was (sadly, in first) clear, that DSLRs would die.
First iterations of the EVF (Oly OM5, RP, R, ...) were simply to slow for me and my action photography (dragonflies).
But having the R6m2 now, I wouldn't want to step back.

Give new P&S the AF of an R50 and the latest 1" sensor generation and they'd be really great.

 

[snapshot]

Fully agree!
To me it was (sadly, in first) clear, that DSLRs would die.
First iterations of the EVF (Oly OM5, RP, R, ...) were simply to slow for me and my action photography (dragonflies).
But having the R6m2 now, I wouldn't want to step back.

Give new P&S the AF of an R50 and the latest 1" sensor generation and they'd be really great.

Action photography drives most of my (non-P+S) camera purchases and i could see sony was making good progress on AF with their mirrorless, A9 seemed really good. However, the lense selection wasnt that great and it seemed that AF performance with canon lenses via a meta-bones adapter mostly lost the advantages. i stuck with 5D4 and its 7 fps until R5 arrived. For P+S i like having 200mm 35mm reach, so a 1" sensor is about as big as you can put in a pocketable form factor, better auto focus than zs100 would be cool.

 

[David_B]

While resolution is important (I am in the camp that wants more mp!), I think the leap from DSLR to mirrorless is significant, thanks to the improvements in AF. The AF of modern mirrorless alone would justify the upgrade in my humble opinion

It's also very expensive and a huge hurdle that many will decide is not worth the cost because there just aren't enough benefits.