The Canon EOS R7 Mark II Isn’t Coming Until 2026

[Bob Howland]

Of course dedicated top of the line APSC body will always be able provide more details/reach than high MP Full frame bodies but at some point you will be able with a single body to do both wildlife + others.
I would say for someone that don't want to have to deal with 2 bodies and having to buy a R6 camera + R7 camera it can worth it to just buy a single R5 line camera.

At least for an amateur like me I could totally see myself trying a bit of wildlife photography with a R5 without buying a R7, 17 mp would be enough for my use case. Once R5 in 1,6 crop mode will have 30mp the needs would only really matter for the very high end of professionnal wildlife photographer.

At B&H, the R5-2 sells for $4100 or $430550 more than the R6-2 and R7 combined ($22202100 + $1450)

 

[Eloniel]

At B&H, the R5-2 sells for $4100 or $430550 more than the R6-2 and R7 combined ($22202100 + $1450)

For this generation, for R6-3 + R7-2 you will probably be at least the price of the R5-2 if not more. Not fair to compare old generation camera 2-bodies scenario with one of the new generation.

Also I guess it depends if your main work is wildlife (2 bodies scenario) or portrait/landscape/event/action and higher end single body scenario.

 

[AlanF]

While entirely correct, and something I have certainly done with my R5ii, the key difference that that using the R5/R5ii in 1.6 crop mode results in an image with far less pixels on the subject that using the same lenses with an APS-C body with around 30M MP. For smaller subjects in the frame the APS-C option either gives you either more detail or additional ability to crop without loosing too many pixels in the final image vs a FF in 1.6 crop mode.

What I was getting at as I explained in my earlier reply and emphasized by others that a 1.6x crop factor doesn't automatically give 1.6x resolution, but just a 1.6x change in field of view. The change in resolution depends on the relative pixel densities of the FF and APS-C sensors. There is a load of misinformation provided by manufacturers by deception and others from ignorance. For example, Olympus will tell you that their 400mm lens is equivalent to 800mm on a full frame. But that maybe true for a 20 Mpx FF sensor, but it's equivalent to only 540mm for a 45 Mpx FF.

 

[YannickDesmet]

Did I miss something about the shipping date of the Canon C50? I tought it would be mid November?
I was hoping sooner than later, but now I read December?

 

[Bob Howland]

What I was getting at as I explained in my earlier reply and emphasized by others that a 1.6x crop factor doesn't automatically give 1.6x resolution, but just a 1.6x change in field of view. The change in resolution depends on the relative pixel densities of the FF and APS-C sensors. There is a load of misinformation provided by manufacturers by deception and others from ignorance. For example, Olympus will tell you that their 400mm lens is equivalent to 800mm on a full frame. But that maybe true for a 20 Mpx FF sensor, but it's equivalent to only 540mm for a 45 Mpx FF.

Before I bought my R7, I seriously considered buying an OM-1 and a trinity of lenses. One compelling calculation was that the R7 and OM-1 have pixels of about the same size, about the same size as an 8381MP FF sensor. The R7 has more pixels than the OM-1 because it has a larger sensor, but I don't know of any FF camera with 8381MP.

 

[Eloniel]

Before I bought my R7, I seriously considered buying an OM-1 and a trinity of lenses. One compelling calculation was that the R7 and OM-1 have pixels of about the same size, about the same size as an 83MP FF sensor. The R7 has more pixels than the OM-1 because it has a larger sensor, but I don't know of any FF camera with 83MP.

That's maybe true for now but we will get to 100 mp Full Frame sensors, so if you invest in Full Frame lens at some point you will be able to get it on FF.

 

[Bob Howland]

That's maybe true for now but we will get to 100 mp Full Frame sensors, so if you invest in Full Frame lens at some point you will be able to get it on FF.

There is a down side. The Fujifilm GFX-100-2 only does 8 FPS, I use 30 or 40 FPS often to capture highly transient events.

 

[Michael Clark]

If the R5 II and R1 are examples of Canon's ability to ramp up production I suspect the R6III and C50V backlogs will be filled within a few months of release so there doesn't seem to be production capacity problem with a late winter R7II announcement / early spring R7 II release. If the R7 II is going to be a success out of the gate Canon needs to release for spring migration season or I think a lot of people will move on from it.

The R5 Mark II and R1 are presumably much lower volume bodies than the R6 Mark II and R7 Mark II will be.

 

[Michael Clark]

A 70-200mm f/2.8 is a 70-200mm f/2.8 and will always be a 70-200mm f/2.8, no matter the sensor you put behind it.
The smaller the sensor, the smaller the portion of the circle of projection the camera will use.
In terms of light gathering, a 2.8 lens is and will always be a 2.8, no matter the sensor you attach it on, so at the same settings the exposure will be the same.
Depending on the size of the sensor you will get a narrower or a wider field of view. The bigger the sensor, the wider; the smaller, the narrower.
In terms of ISO noise, at higher ISO an R7 is about 2 stops worse than an R6 at the same settings.

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Those grid lines are each 1/3 stop apart, not 1 stop. The difference is about 4/3 stops.

 

[Michael Clark]

And most people don't consider that cropping an image changes the FOV but holds the DOF and exposure constant.

If you crop the image and then display it as the same size as before the crop, the depth of field does change, because you've increased total magnification when you increased the enlargement ratio.

Only if you display the cropped image at the proportionally smaller size (yet still view it from the same distance) does the DoF not change.

 

[Michael Clark]

For this generation, for R6-3 + R7-2 you will probably be at least the price of the R5-2 if not more. Not fair to compare old generation camera 2-bodies scenario with one of the new generation.

Also I guess it depends if your main work is wildlife (2 bodies scenario) or portrait/landscape/event/action and higher end single body scenario.

Event and action are, more often than not, two body scenarios.