This makes me think of an "ancient" past. when, in France, a car journalist was awarded by Rolls Royce a cup or medal for being "the first person to damage the brand-new Silver Shadow".
Sure, that's why Canon specifically mentions in their press release that they lead the market for combined MILC+DSLR sales, but says nothing at all about MILC sales alone:
This is what I'm struggling with. I fully expect that a stacked sensor (or more likely partially stacked) R7 in an R6 style body to be a $2500 camera. Maybe $2200 if they 'only' get the readout speed into the R6III range (13ms) rather than sub-10 (probably meaning cropped 4k120). You have to be a pretty committed bird/wildlife shooter for that to make sense since nobody is going to look at that body for general-purpose stills or even hybrid use given the competition and the dearth of quality APS-C lenses. If you have FF size, FF cost, need to use FF lenses, and are getting comparable functionality in terms of frame rates and buffer where is the value proposition? You need to be consistently shooting where R6III + TC doesn't give you the reach.
And if the R7 II is going to focus on the birder market, it needs the fastest AF possible as well as fast readout in ES mode to minimize wing flap distortion. Both point to a stacked sensor if that is indeed a market Canon wants to dominate as it did with the 7D II. My guess is that if they go this way, the R7 mark I will stay in the catalog for some time (a la Sony). and the mark II will see a significant price increase close to an R6 II.
That's unknown.
In fact, it is known at least through 2024. Nikkei publishes the global market share data annually (in late summer) based on reporting from industry groups (Camera & Imaging Products Association aka CIPA, and Japan Electronics and Information Technology Industries Association aka JEITA). Canon led the MILC market in 2022, 2023 and 2024, and given their ~8% lead in 2024 it is almost certain they led it last year, as well.
According to the industry groups (to which both Canon and Sony belong), in 2024 Canon shipped 2.05M MILCs and Sony shipped 1.63M. That year, Canon also shipped 790K DSLRs, which was about 80% of the global market.
LOL. Seriously? Your asinine belief is based on a something Canon didn't say in a press release? They said they are #1 in ILC sales, and have been for over two decades. They didn't say they were #1 last year in DSLR sales, so from that do you also infer that Sony was #1 in that market segment? Sony does press releases about MILCs because that's all they sell. Canon does press releases about the combined market because they sell both MILCs and DSLRs.
Where are your data to support that claim? The 2024 MILC market (the most recent year for which there are global data) was nearly 40% Canon and just over 30% Sony. Here is the source for the market share numbers (that I first posted in the thread where you initially posted this same lie):
www.fujirumors.com
I agree with this, which is why I continue to be surprised by the fact that 39MP seems to be *THE* one thing that has been consistent in the rumors. Of all the complaints about the R7 from a birding perspective resolution seems to be well down the list. Staying at 32MP would be perfectly fine as long as you have the readout speed and AF performance expected of an up-market birding-focused body. Heck, a fully stacked 26MP sensor as in the X-H2S might even be preferable to a 39MP one as it would offer faster frame rates and deeper buffers on the same hardware.
I'm expecting an R10II to move up and get IBIS to fill that niche, but it's a similar outcome - the R7II expands the range/footprint and leaves a gap in the lineup right where the existing R7 fits.
Yes, I know. The Nikkei (billed as the world's largest financial newspaper) reports unit shipments by manufacturer, based on reporting from industry groups that include (but are not limited to) CIPA. Where available for comparison, data from the Nikkei reporting match data from Canon themselves.
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I´m definitely lot not a marketing expert FOX News have some vacancies, interested?Sure, that's why Canon specifically mentions in their press release that they lead the market for combined MILC+DSLR sales, but says nothing at all about MILC sales alone:
Canon Celebrates 23<sup>rd</sup> Consecutive Year of No. 1 Share of Global Interchangeable-lens Digital Camera Market
Canon Inc. announced today that the company’s interchangeable-lens digital cameras (digital SLR and mirrorless cameras) have maintained the No. 1 share of the global ...asia.canon
Sony still sells more MILCs than Canon does. It's gotten pretty close and will likely remain very close. There's a decent chance Canon will overtake Sony if Sony doesn't wake up and start selling some more lower end APS-C cameras. The ZV-E10II has done extremely well, but it's not enough on its own.
The only fully-stacked APS-C body on the market currently is the Fuji X-H2S which is 26MP and lists for $2800USD (2500 € from what I can tell). (List price was $2499 when introduced). The OM System OM-1 is a fully stacked 20MP M/43 sensor and lists for (I think) 2199 €. Obviously they don't necessarily sell for these prices now as they've been on the market for a while, but I think list prices definitely 'set the expectation' on pricing.Well, you got me here
Hm, if stacked sensor with 39 mp and R5/ r6 like ergonomics are true, I´d believe somewhere around 2.200 € rrp. It leaves enough room towards the R6iii and for cash back rebates. In the long run, I´d guess it'll settle in at around 1.700-1.800 €. Notice: Just a guess an enthusiastic Canon user.
