The upcomming Dead of EOS DSLR / EF-line

[dtaylor]

In 1987...

That's not comparable. Canon was in a different position, both in terms of technology and marketshare, and had to move fast to a new mount. The FD mount AF T-80 proved to the engineers that in-lens AF motors were the future. But it also clearly proved that the FD mount wasn't viable with AF. With Nikon and especially Minolta moving aggressively on AF (in body motors) Canon had to do something radical.

Today? Canon is the market leader and the EF mount remains one of the best out there. Mirrorless is a valid market but hyped way, way out of proportion to its sales. The market feels, as you do, that OVF and DSLR ergonomics are still better. Someday that will no longer be true. But not so soon that Canon has to make a radical shift.

 

[Ozarker]

What? Canon didn't come to your door in the dead of night and threaten to shoot your dog if you didn't upgrade?

Happens to JPCanon all the time, apparently...

Hahahaha These people are nuts. Canon made sure those with EF lenses could still keep using them, and somehow they believe they are screwed. Nuts.

 

[takesome1]

Hahahaha These people are nuts. Canon made sure those with EF lenses could still keep using them, and somehow they believe they are screwed. Nuts.

You shouldn't be naive about the future of EF lenses.

Canon's main goal is to figure out how to convince you that you need to upgrade to a new body and lens.
The adapter for the EF lens to mount to R is nothing more than a free test sample to get you hooked on their next drug offering.
Once hooked you will be buying RF lenses in their pure form.

 

[fullstop]

this transition is totally different from 1987 switch from manual FD lenses to electr(on)ic EF lenses with longer flange focal distance. no simple adapters possible for FD to EF mount. hard break and heart break for FD users.

In 2018 RF lenses have shorter FFD. no manual stuff involved. simple adapters for EF lenses possible and available. EF users can continue using EF glass. Canon will focus to launch new FF cameras and lenses in RF mount with enhanced functionality and capabilities. From AF to IS to future "AI driven" imaging features.

users can decide on their own timeframe when & how they want zo transition from EF to RF. no big deal.

 

[Del Paso]

EVFs still visually suck compared to OVF.

Especially if you keep waiting, minutes or hours, for your subject to appear in the viewfinder...

 

[Ozarker]

You shouldn't be naive about the future of EF lenses.

Canon's main goal is to figure out how to convince you that you need to upgrade to a new body and lens.
The adapter for the EF lens to mount to R is nothing more than a free test sample to get you hooked on their next drug offering.
Once hooked you will be buying RF lenses in their pure form.

 

[eosuser1234]

i said wtf and bought an EF-S lense (18-135mm nano usm) this weekend and had a blast dusting off my 7dm2.
It is about having fun with your equipment and taking photos, not checking Canon rumors every 6 hours to see what is coming.

 

[Keith_Reeder]

You shouldn't be naive about the future of EF lenses.

You don't know anything about the future of EF - it would be appreciated if you didn't present yourself as someone with a unique insight.

The fact is that nobody but Canon knows what the future holds. Whether you or CanonFanBoy prove to be right will be nothing to do with naivete and everything to do with lucky guesswork.

 

[Keith_Reeder]

I wish I could do something as "limited and mediocre" as "Telegraph Road".

You can like him, he's still mediocre.

I've yet to hear anything the bugger has played that I couldn't replicate with my feet, while wearing socks. He's the epitome of "getting by", technically and creatively.

 

[Kit.]

You can like him, he's still mediocre.

I've yet to hear anything the bugger has played that I couldn't replicate with my feet, while wearing socks.

Cool. Where can I hear your concerts?

 

[retroreflection]

There is a significant contingent which is unhappy with Canon's innovation, I'm not a member of that group.
I think Canon's behaviour in lens mounts is evidence for their well considered long range strategy for technical innovation. Autofocus was being developed and they saw the limitations of the FD mount. While possibly painful back then, they made the switch as soon as it was obvious that it was needed. When they went aps-c mirrorless they knew a new mount was needed to gain the size reduction advantage. Now FF mirrorless gives them the chance to improve the data flow to the lens (they have probably been waiting for an excuse for many years). And, they felt the short flange distance was a good thing -at least for certain lenses. They have been able to keep it compatible with EF, so the abandonment memories shouldn't be triggered. Plus, they allow EF-S to be used on FF cameras. A change in course I would not have predicted, even if it makes sense with video crops.
Nikon has been criticized for holding onto a mount for too long.
Sony has been criticized for mount design as well, in their case it is puzzling why they didn't create a new mount when they were very early in the FF mirrorless game.
Now, a company can go too far (Apple) in changing standards based on a whim. But, this new mount suggests Canon is playing a long game well.

 

[takesome1]

You don't know anything about the future of EF - it would be appreciated if you didn't present yourself as someone with a unique insight.

The fact is that nobody but Canon knows what the future holds. Whether you or CanonFanBoy prove to be right will be nothing to do with naivete and everything to do with lucky guesswork.

So, my poke toward CFB that Canon’s goal is to sell new and improved lenses and increase sales and profit is totally off.

In a thread totally based on speculation you take offense to a post, how ridiculous.

 

[Maximilian]

So they're currently the Mark Knopfler of the viewfinder world - very good at being limited and mediocre...

Opinions are opinions. I leave yours to you.

And I can tell you that I have a lot of "Dire Straits" and "Mark Knopfler" music here at home
And their concerts I participated were way from beeing medicore. But that's just my opinion

I wish I could do something as "limited and mediocre" as "Telegraph Road".

I just pot it in my player again after reading this.
YEAH!

 

[Keith_Reeder]

Cool. Where can I hear your concerts?

Ah - there it is... Not the slap-down you think it is, I'm afraid.

You don't have to be a "pro" (although I gigged and did studio work for years) to be better than a pro. The number of "experts" on here testify to that...

But for context - have a listen to Larry Carlton, Steve Lukather, Al Di Meola, Allan Holdsworth, Joe Satriani and Steve Vai - typical of the guitarists I come from and (yes) play in the same style as (depending on the music I'm playing) and then get back to me about my observations about Knopfler's mediocrity, technical banality and lack of creativity...

 

[dtaylor]

The fact is that nobody but Canon knows what the future holds.

They don't even know. If DSLR sales tank and MILC sales skyrocket, you can bet resources will shift towards RF lens design. If the ratio holds fairly steady, you can bet there will be more EF lenses AND DSLRs.

The ratio has been fairly steady at nearly 2:1 globally in favor of DSLRs. Given what was already on the market before Canon and Nikon jumped in, I'm guessing it will remain so for the foreseeable future. Very small gains each year for mirrorless. We've been hearing of the impending collapse of 'flappy mirrors' since 2012. The buying public isn't convinced.

Sometime in the 2020's we will have real high resolution, lag free EVFs and on-sensor AF that can match the best off-mirror AF. We're not too far away from the latter. But the former? A '3.69 million dot' EVF is merely a quad VGA display roughly equal to a 1280x960 monitor. (Ratio is a bit off for a 2:3 camera, but you get the idea.) In other words, no where near retina display levels.

If you're not at retina display levels with virtually zero lag while burst shooting, you're not replacing the OVF for a lot of consumers.

 

[Kit.]

Ah - there it is... Not the slap-down you think it is, I'm afraid.

Well, I would really want to hear your concert, if you were as good at playing a guitar as you are saying.

You don't have to be a "pro" (although I gigged and did studio work for years) to be better than a pro. The number of "experts" on here testify to that...

However, you may be mistaken in your abilities if they are not publicly proven. You may not understand what exactly you are missing.

But for context - have a listen to Larry Carlton, Steve Lukather, Al Di Meola, Allan Holdsworth, Joe Satriani and Steve Vai - typical of the guitarists I come from and (yes) play in the same style as (depending on the music I'm playing) and then get back to me about my observations about Knopfler's mediocrity, technical banality and lack of creativity...

Found Joe Satriani on YouTube, totally not impressed. Yes, he is technically proficient in making sound. But no, he doesn't sound delicate enough to make music - compared to Knopfler or Gilmour. Larry Carlton is much better, although not my style.

 

[JonSnow]

when canon introduced the EF mount the FD mount had a bigger marketshare.. (what a surprise ).
for some time canon produced both but in only 4-5 years the volume was equal.

today DSLR still dominates, but when you look at the curves (in a sales diagram) you can extrapolate when this will change. at least for new sales.

it depends for how long canon will suport the EF mount. at some point on the sales curve canon managers will see a need to get rid of the EF mount.
it makes no sense to produce new lenses and cameras when the majority is buying RF lenses. just as canon produced no FD mount camera after the T60 (i think?).

with better and better EVF i see the percentage of DSLR owners decrease pretty fast.

i could be wrong but why should the trend suddenly stop or reverse?

last year saw a pretty dramatic shift.
america, long a bastion of the DSLR, saw mirrorless shipments going up 46 percent.

canon and nikon slowed down mirrorless acceptance for the past years. just by ignoring the pro and prosumer market.
that seems to be over.

the future is mirrorless i have no doubt about that. just as LCD replace CRT

 

[takesome1]

when canon introduced the EF mount the FD mount had a bigger marketshare.. (what a surprise ).
for some time canon produced both but in only 4-5 years the volume was equal.

today DSLR still dominates, but when you look at the curves (in a sales diagram) you can extrapolate when this will change. at least for new sales.

it depend for how long canon will suport the EF mount. at some point in teh sales curve canon managers will see a need to get rid of the EF mount.

This is true, and eventually the RF mount will be discontinued.

The question for all this is when?

 

[Loswr]

it depend for how long canon will suport the EF mount. at some point in teh sales curve canon managers will see a need to get rid of the EF mount.

At some point, everyone currently posting on this forum will be dead. At some point, the sun will expand to a red giant and destroy the earth. I'm sure EF lenses will be discontinued by the time of the latter, but not necessarily the former.

 

[JonSnow]

This is true, and eventually the RF mount will be discontinued.

The question for all this is when?

my guess is as good as everyones.
but i think maybe 10 years until we see no new EF mount camera. maybe just 6-7, but very unlikely.
maybe the high end will need longer to die.

look at other tech that was replaced in the last 30 years.

i think the adapter may help to make the transition quicker.