There will not be an EOS 5D Mark V [CR2]

[dtaylor]

Also what it has, rather than lacks, an AA-filter.

I guess that depends on how well the new AA filter works since Canon thinks the 45mp sensor is superior to the 5DsR 50mp one. I realize you're in the camp of people who would rather not have one at all. But I don't think Canon can do that without releasing two separate models, given their marketshare in wedding and fashion.

We'll see how the 45mp R5 stacks up against the AA-less 45mp sensor in the D850.

 

[MrToes]

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I'm hoping for a Mark V

 

[rwvaughn]

Well, I guess no surprise with the success of the R5 but I know there will be a lot of folks who are disappointed.

The market made the decision.

 

[Danglin52]

No huge surprise. But full committment to mirrorless.
Confirmation that Canon is convinced that the R5 will meet (and esceed) all needs of former 5DIV users.

I can understand the dilemma. As a user, I was going to do a slow transition to the R5/R6 keeping my 1dx II and EF Lenses. The more I read, I finally decided to go all in even before I saw the final specs. I still have my 100-400 II & 70-200 f4 L IS II, but sold the rest of my gear. I decided it made no sense to straddle the fence, those pickets can be painful. I will sell the 100-400 II and keep the 70-200 f4 II adapted for M6 II / R5. Love the weight, IQ and size of the 70-200 f4 II.

 

[AlanF]

I guess that depends on how well the new AA filter works since Canon thinks the 45mp sensor is superior to the 5DsR 50mp one. I realize you're in the camp of people who would rather not have one at all. But I don't think Canon can do that without releasing two separate models, given their marketshare in wedding and fashion.

We'll see how the 45mp R5 stacks up against the AA-less 45mp sensor in the D850.

The Sony trick of having a switchable filter would be useful. The 45 Mpx D850 sensor does outresolve the 5DSR and gives even less Moire. I think that it's because the 5DSR actually has an AA-filter that is then neutralised and so does not show the full potential of lacking the filter. That is probably also why the 5DS is so close in resolution in practice.

 

[ahsanford]

Minimum shutter speed! That excites me a lot more than ISO. That’s something I’d like to adjust more often, but it was a hassle.

Or potentially using the control ring just to toggle on/off something you use occasionally but don't want to drill down into the menus for -- perhaps a quick on/off of Eye AF, Servo vs. One Shot, etc.?

The camera is so feature-laden and customizable I may be sounding super reductive with the knuckleheadedly simple things I plan to use the control ring for. I am guessing longer-term EOS R users figured out something better to use it for a while ago.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

For those who like the mark IV: It works great and they can continue to use it. What does it lack?

It lacks a lot of things, but these four (to me, as a stills shooter) are pretty huge:

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45 MP
20 fps​

IBIS​

tilty-flippy​

- A

 

[Jim Corbett]

Which means Canon are confident the "R" line is as solid and reliable as the 5D one. They wouldn't abandon their main gold photo vein just just like that

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I'm not surprised that it won't happen, but am surprised if the decision was made very long ago. The continued drop in camera sales is taking its toll. Camera manufacturers have to tighten their belts and reduce the number of models they make. They also need a boost in sales, and they were able to do that by putting out more featured Mirrorless bodies, and thus sell the high profit RF lenses. EF lenses still work great, but RF lenses have no competition, so the profits are high. The M is the best selling mirrorless camera, so they know the potential.

 

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Basically, the choice was always going to be between upsetting some long-term users who are highly unlikely to find an alternative beyond keeping their current cameras (and who in a few years will inevitably have to upgrade), and losing users who are not likely to come back even when Canon did make an elite camera (because the cost of switching to Sony then back to Canon is way too high to justify it). Pretty easy choice

All of the former Canon users I know who, like me, spent time in SonyLand, kept a bunch of the EF glass to use (quite easily) with the E-mount system. As a result, coming back to Canon is again pretty darned easy. The great expense of switching back has more to do with new, "bonkers-class" glass in the RF system that never existed before, that I just can't resist trying.

Canon EF is the common currency of the camera world. I used the same 8 (mostly Sigma) lenses shooting primarily a brace of 5D Mark IVs for a couple years; then a Panasonic S1R for four months, then a bunch of Sony bodies for a year after; and now coming back to the R5. The switching costs used to be 25 percent of your whole inventory, but each time I swapped systems, I paid something closer to 5-10 percent. It helped that that I buy used whenever I can.

 

[Bert63]

Umm, didn't Canon's last film camera have an eighteen year production run?

If there will be no 5D5, the 5D4 production lifecycle just got extended, one would think.

- A

I just remember the 7D2 vanishing overnight.

It was there, then it was gone.

Maybe the 5D4 will be a different story, but with the big push to mirrorless I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen to the 5D4.

 

[sanj]

It lacks a lot of things, but these four (to me, as a stills shooter) are pretty huge:

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45 MP​

20 fps​

IBIS​

tilty-flippy​

- A

R5 has it all.

 

[BakaBokeh]

What else could appease 5D users?

The Hybrid RF EF?

 

[unfocused]

Canon has not hesitated to merge and amend lines. The 1Dx and the 90D are both examples of that. The original 7D was what many people thought they'd get in a 60D (In fact, there was a lot of whining on this forum from people who correctly saw the 60D as downgrade from the 40D and 50D and didn't want to pay for a 7D. But it didn't stop Canon).

If this rumor is correct (and I remain skeptical) we may soon see just two full frame Canon DSLRs: the 1DX and a model that combines the 6D and 5D, similar to the 90D. (A 9D?) I could easily see a 45mp body with the basic controls/body configuration as the 90 D priced about the same or just slightly above the R6. It won't a 5D, but like the 90D it might check enough boxes to meet most people's needs, especially if it's under $2,500.

45 mp sensor
Tilt-Flip Screen
10 fps
Dual SD II slots
Same autofocus as 5DIV (Which frankly is pretty good)
Build quality somewhere between 6D and 5D, but probably slightly closer to 6D
No IBIS (This won't be a video camera)

Bonus possibilities:
Eye and Animal Eye focus
Thumb controller of the 1DX III

 

[wockawocka]

RIP 5D line - Awesome wedding cameras

 

[dolina]

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This is the business context/environment why that alleged decision was made

• Camera market as a whole has had a decline in shipments for nearly 10 years straight
• Smartphone has largely eaten into the camera market as a whole for the past 10 years straight
• Innovations in the camera market has come to a point that there are no "must have" new feature to induce upgrades. Smartphones have taken up that role
• There is no readily available and easy to apply way to amortize camera purchases over a period of 12/24/36 months like smartphones on a postpaid plan.
• Olympus sold its camera division to Japan Industrial Partners (JIP)
• Nikon has had a terrible 2019.

In light of these business realities it comes to no surprise that whatever little R&D money they have has been diverted to only focus on RF mount bodies, lens and accessories.

Any further development for the EF mount system makes little to no business sense as new users who will need to build up their personal camera ecosystem will prefer to buy full frame mirrorless.

Customers who have EF system have an already very mature product line of bodies, lens and accessories to chose from.

The last EF product I've bought is the 5Ds R bought over 5 years ago. I might buy the last EF body produced just for kicks within the next 5 years.

But to be honest I really wish I never bought any of my gear. Should have took up my MBA instead of wasting time photographing stupid birds.

 

[bandido]

That is too bad cause the letter V (roman number 5) looks so sexy.

 

[dak3]

The Canon 5D is dead. Long live the Canon 4D Mark I !!

 

[Starting out EOS R]

Or potentially using the control ring just to toggle on/off something you use occasionally but don't want to drill down into the menus for -- perhaps a quick on/off of Eye AF, Servo vs. One Shot, etc.?

The camera is so feature-laden and customizable I may be sounding super reductive with the knuckleheadedly simple things I plan to use the control ring for. I am guessing longer-term EOS R users figured out something better to use it for a while ago.

- A

I had the EOSR in March last tear and it took a few experiments to figure the best functions for the various dials and buttons. There are so many customisable functions for each button it should be fine for anyones needs.

I finished up with the front dial for shutter speed, the rear dial for Aperture and the control ring for ISO. I turned the Touch Bar off completely as I found it more of a hinderance than a benefit.

I'm pretty sure the R6 & R5 will be the same, which is great news.

 

[unfocused]

If this is true I readily admit I'm surprised. I was pretty certain that Canon would continued the 5D line indefinitely. Not the first time I would be wrong.

However, I would caution everyone that this is nothing to celebrate. If Canon has truly made the decision to walk away from the most popular full frame DSLR series ever made, it's a very bad sign for the future of the dedicated camera market. I am afraid that enthusiast and professional interchangeable lens cameras are going to get more expensive and the options available to consumers will be limited. Is the R the future of photography or is it just a "Hail Mary" pass at the end of the fourth quarter with smartphones about to drive a final nail into the coffin of the industry?