Canon EOS R6 Mark II already in prototype testing [CR1]

[Jasonmc89]

I think it was the perfect opportunity for market segmentation, if you really need the battery grip then Canon wants you to buy the R5 instead of the R7.

But I want crop!

You used to be able to buy grips for rebel series DSLRs for Christ sakes!

 

[Jasonmc89]

If they thought a grip for the R7 would be profitable, most likely they’d have made one. Possibly the grips for the 7DII and 90D didn’t sell enough units to be profitable. That rationale is far more sensible saving the grip for some future model.

I suspect the only ‘more advanced’ R7 will be the R7II in several years. Canon wants more serious photographers to buy FF cameras and the lenses for them.

I can’t see how a grip for the R7 wouldn’t be profitable.

Just make the R7 compatible with the already existing bg r10 grip.

 

[snapshot]

I think that it is unlikely. Type A has capacity limitations that Type B doesn't. Sony was the only manufacturer until recently and (as far as I know) there are only 2 bodies that use them and they also take USH-ii cards. As far as I know, very few A1 shooters bother with CFe cards as the USH-ii cards are fast enough.

A successor for USH-ii cards is the next question of course. SDexpress is possible but I think that CFe Type B may be more dominant given the current market for faster speeds.

Thought a: no reason to want something other than SD unless you need more write speed.
Thought b: I thnk my CFe Type B card generates too much heat for many SD applications.

 

[entoman]

Boy I hope they give us 24mp with the top LCD screen that should have been included in the mk1 but wasn't.

I have the R5, and I've occasionally used an R6 belonging to a friend. I greatly prefer the simple mode dial on the R6.

The combined LCD and mode dial on the R5 requires the user to first press the centre of the mode dial and then to rotate it, while watching the modes appear one at a time in the LCD. This is slower and more cumbersome than the R6 method. Furthermore, there is a lag in the time it takes each mode to display, and it's easy at first, to turn the R5 dial in the wrong direction and get the wrong mode.

 

[Czardoom]

I am afraid you are not getting my message. Of course you can't judge an image until you have seen it. But, your sweeping generalization that "if the frame isn’t filled with that then no amount of cropping is going to make for an acceptable image." is saying the complete opposite of that - you are judging in advance without seeing it that an image is unacceptable because it is cropped. I have stated that clearly 3 times and will say it no more.

Repeating the obvious to someone who is biased and ridiculously closed-minded is a waste of time, as you are finding out. And the more they repeat their silly "proclamations," the more they lose their credibility.

 

[entoman]

CFxpress A might replace SD format if its adopted by manufacturers other than Sony. In case of SD its quite omnipresent in almost all sectors.

IMO the chances of other manufacturers adopting CFExpress A are somewhere below *zero*.

Over the years, Sony have made some weird choices over media - remember floppy disks, CD-R and memory sticks?
They chose CFE-A this time because it enabled them to squeeze SD into the same slots, but I doubt if many Sony owners use CFE-A cards - my guess, based on speaking to a few Sony BIF photographer friends, is that most think SD is fast enough.

All the other brands have already made their choices and are unlikely to change:
CFExpress B for the highest performance models.
SD for less demanding models.

 

[entoman]

For tracking fast subjects, the R3 has the advantage of the AF system sampling the sensor at twice the frequency of other cameras with the same basic AF system. The faster sampling is possible because of the stacked sensor.

Very true. However, I'd dare to suggest that lens design has far greater impact on AF speed and tracking than sampling frequency.

For subjects at a fairly constant distance, but moving *across* the frame, faster sampling speeds will certainly enable faster and more accurate tracking.

But, in the case of subjects that are moving rapidly towards, or away from the camera, many lenses have problems keeping up, because the AF motors can't move the lens elements fast enough.

 

[Bob Howland]

What I didn't understand was that he said it was unrealistic for Canon to put the R3 stacked sensor in the R6 (II) but wanted it to have the AF of the R3. The R3 also has a more powerful battery, which in the 1D series drives the AF faster, another difference.

10.8V for the R3 vs 7.2V for the R5 etc. That's been standard operating procedure for both Nikon and Canon cameras for decades, although the voltage difference wasn't usually this large.

 

[Loswr]

I can’t see how a grip for the R7 wouldn’t be profitable.

Just make the R7 compatible with the already existing bg r10 grip.

You should really tell Canon, you clearly know way more about this complicated camera-y stuff than they do.

 

[koenkooi]

I have the R5, and I've occasionally used an R6 belonging to a friend. I greatly prefer the simple mode dial on the R6.

The combined LCD and mode dial on the R5 requires the user to first press the centre of the mode dial and then to rotate it, while watching the modes appear one at a time in the LCD. This is slower and more cumbersome than the R6 method. Furthermore, there is a lag in the time it takes each mode to display, and it's easy at first, to turn the R5 dial in the wrong direction and get the wrong mode.

You can customize which modes are available and leave out the ones you don’t want.

 

[entoman]

You can customize which modes are available and leave out the ones you don’t want.

Yes, I do, but that still gives me 5 modes to cycle through - C1, C2, C3 and M (for me), and P in case I pass the camera to a friend or colleague who isn't familiar with it.

I still much prefer the simple dial of the R6.

 

[Loswr]

Yes, I do, but that still gives me 5 modes to cycle through - C1, C2, C3 and M (for me), and P in case I pass the camera to a friend or colleague who isn't familiar with it.

I still much prefer the simple dial of the R6.

Can mode switching be assigned to the M.Fn button as a can on the R3 (and 1-series)? I find that to be the fastest way to cycle through the modes (just four for me, yours minus P).

 

[Jasonmc89]

You should really tell Canon, you clearly know way more about this complicated camera-y stuff than they do.

It’s not about knowing complicated camera-y stuff. But thanks for the sarky comment.

It’s a design feature, that as a customer of crop sensor cameras, I am disappointed their highest performing crop sensor camera can’t accept a battery grip. As are many others. You used to be able to buy a grip for a rebel series DSLR…

 

[AlanF]

I have the R5, and I've occasionally used an R6 belonging to a friend. I greatly prefer the simple mode dial on the R6.

The combined LCD and mode dial on the R5 requires the user to first press the centre of the mode dial and then to rotate it, while watching the modes appear one at a time in the LCD. This is slower and more cumbersome than the R6 method. Furthermore, there is a lag in the time it takes each mode to display, and it's easy at first, to turn the R5 dial in the wrong direction and get the wrong mode.

I used to prefer the R6 and now R7 mechanical mode dial. On the R5, I have assigned mode dial to the M-fn button and it cycles through C1, C2 and C3, and then the last mode set, usually Fv for me. I now prefer this, but my wife is more used to C1-C3 on the R7.

 

[AlanF]

Can mode switching be assigned to the M.Fn button as a can on the R3 (and 1-series)? I find that to be the fastest way to cycle through the modes (just four for me, yours minus P).

Yes, I answered this as you were posting and we overlapped in the ether. We can cycle through in milliseconds using M-fn.

 

[KT]

The Sony A9 II is FF stacked sensor and cheaper than the Z9. I don’t know what you mean by giving it the R3 AF?

I was referring to the Eye AF in the R3 which could be offered in a mid-level body like the R6 II without breaking the bank.

 

[Loswr]

It’s not about knowing complicated camera-y stuff. But thanks for the sarky comment.

It’s a design feature, that as a customer of crop sensor cameras, I am disappointed their highest performing crop sensor camera can’t accept a battery grip. As are many others. You used to be able to buy a grip for a rebel series DSLR…

You have every right to be disappointed. Canon made the decision to not offer a grip for the R7. You say you're sure it would have been profitable, my point is that Canon is in a far better position to have that information...and they decided not to make a grip. I think your original argument, that they designed the R7 without a grip to induce buyers to not get the R7 but to get the non-existent 'pro-grade APS-C model', is ludicrous. Far more logical to make a grip for every model where it would be profitable. That's what for-profit companies do, try to maximize profit. The fact that they decided to not offer a grip is a pretty sure indicator they didn't think it would sell well enough.

 

[Loswr]

I was referring to the Eye AF in the R3 which could be offered in a mid-level body like the R6 II without breaking the bank.

Lots of Canon MILCs have Eye AF. I think you mean Eye-controlled AF, which is something different. That's a non-trivial feature requiring a larger VF assembly with multiple sensors. Highly doubt we'll see one in an R6-level body, ever. Maybe an R5-level body. Maybe.

 

[Daner]

So, basically you want an R3 without the eye focus control for the price of an R6?!?!

Not gonna happen, ever!

That isn't what I was suggesting.
The R3 has many additional features that drive costs. Eye-AF. The optical sensor on the joystick. Double sets of controls. The battery grip. Additional ports. Higher resolution EVF and screen. Higher fps with both mechanical and electronic shutter. The R6 body has none of these, and I would happily forego them if it meant a smaller, lighter, less expensive camera than the R3 but with the same potential IQ. Higher price than the R6 would also be acceptable, as long as it stays meaningfully below the R5.

 

[bernie_king]

That isn't what I was suggesting.
The R3 has many additional features that drive costs. Eye-AF. The optical sensor on the joystick. Double sets of controls. The battery grip. Additional ports. Higher resolution EVF and screen. Higher fps with both mechanical and electronic shutter. The R6 body has none of these, and I would happily forego them if it meant a smaller, lighter, less expensive camera than the R3 but with the same potential IQ. Higher price than the R6 would also be acceptable, as long as it stays meaningfully below the R5.

The R3 also has faster AF, and that comes as a result of the faster stacked sensor. The stacked sensor is the source of most of the cost differential. If there were an R6 II at this point, I wouldn't expect a stacked sensor. Maybe a few more pixels, etc... but there not going to make an Almost R3 and charge $4000 less for that camera. They would probably lose money. All that being said, I am 99% sure this is a fake rumor. I don't believe Canon is ready to replace the R6 right now. There are still some holes to be filled in the lineup before they start replacing existing cameras that still have strong sales. I don't believe the R5 & R6 will see replacements until we see an R1 and something between the R6 & R5