Future Full-Frame & APS-C Canon RV Series Cameras

[Canon Rumors]

This week Canon officially announced their first two "V" series cameras globally, the PowerShot V1 and the EOS R50 V. Both are targeted at video creators but are more than capable tools for photographers as well.

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[koenkooi]

There aren't a lot of difference between the R6II and R8 video features, apart from the 2 vs 6 hour time limit and announced-but-yet-unimplemented RAW-over-HDMI. And of course the R6II has better thermal management, IBIS and bigger battery!

I suspect having IBIS will be the deciding factor for calling it an R6V or R8V.

 

[nhandumuc]

I wonder if the R6V with IBIS would kill the mini gimbal market

 

[AccipiterQ]

I wonder if the R6V with IBIS would kill the mini gimbal market

I'm out of the loop....are the V cameras able to stabilize enough to make a gimbal unnecessary?

 

[Etnaphele]

The R50V is really appealing as a portable crop sensor camera, so if more of it is to come I'll patiently wait. For me, wanting to use it as an Mx style body for photo and video, two things would really make a future RV a must-buy:

• decent MFS electronic viewfinder
• LP-E6NH/P battery

Does anyone know if the photo modes of the R50V are all carried over from the R50 (apart from the fact that they must be accessed through touchscreen, not a deal breaker for me)?

 

[Etnaphele]

I'm out of the loop....are the V cameras able to stabilize enough to make a gimbal unnecessary?

The R50V doesn't any any sensor-based in-body stabilization.

 

[koenkooi]

The R50V is really appealing as a portable crop sensor camera, so if more of it is to come I'll patiently wait. For me, wanting to use it as an Mx style body for photo and video, two things would really make a future RV a must-buy:

• decent MFS electronic viewfinder
• LP-E6NH/P battery

Does anyone know if the photo modes of the R50V are all carried over from the R50 (apart from the fact that they must be accessed through touchscreen, not a deal breaker for me)?

A review showed Av/TV/M/P/A all being present, we'll need the manual to see if things like focus and exposure bracketing are there.

 

[bf]

All make sense to me!
2 points come to my mind:
- when I compare the V releases to likes of R100, they are definitely offering more value. Hopefully, the build quality would be good as well (I have no data to confirm or deny).

- if they get serious with their flagship APS-C (R7V), there could be an opportinuty to turn heads. I think pixel density and weather sealing will be key factors. I also hear a lot about calling for IBIS. They should not "nerf" any functionality in the processors either.

 

[Faenitullen]

The PowerShot V3 interests me. Do we still think it is a 24-480mm equivalent lens?

 

[Maximilian]

When I look at the price of the V1 I am not sure, if I would invest in a PowerShot.
The G7 series was always tempting, looking at the size and the FL range (in FF eq.) and aperture.
I wonder how big (and expensive) that would be if Canon would upscale it for the new 1.4" sensor.

The form factor of the R50 V is tempting. But I shoot so often in bright sunlight that I would need at least an optional attachable EVF.

So right now, these new segments have nothing to offer for me. But maybe in the future...

 

[dwkdnvr]

- if they get serious with their flagship APS-C (R7V), there could be an opportinuty to turn heads. I think pixel density and weather sealing will be key factors. I also hear a lot about calling for IBIS. They should not "nerf" any functionality in the processors either.

Yes, I think this is one of the interesting questions - does Canon see their 'V' series being a direct response to Sony FX? If so, it seems likely that an R7/R7II based V offering to compete with the FX30 would be in the cards - it's certainly what caused me to pay attention to the V rumors.
I like my R7 for the most part, and feel that a sensor upgrade that cuts the readout time from 30ms to 15ms is really all that it needs (plus the processor to keep up, I guess) - fix the AF inconsistency/pulsing, better rolling shutter, and 4k120. I might be hard-pressed to decide between an R7II and an R7II-based V offering.

Of course, Canon already has the C70 as a Super35 cine cam, and so may not see room to split the gap between that and the R50V. But the C70 really is an entirely different beast/market altogether.

 

[Navism]

If Canon wants the market share, it should be R8V because they can sell 1000-1500usd.
R6V would cost 2000-2500usd.

R50V body + R8 sensor is a good camera. R7 sensor is the same as M6mkii sensor so if Canon makes R7V, it is a new version M6mkii.

If R6V, it would have IBIS, 2 cards slot, cooling fan, big battery and full size HDMI. So the body size would be R5C without EVF.
Or add R3 sensor, it is better than FX3 or Z6iii.

I think Canon is not hurry to release. They just wait R50V sale first.

 

[Etnaphele]

If Canon wants the market share, it should be R8V because they can sell 1000-1500usd.
R6V would cost 2000-2500usd.

R50V body + R8 sensor is a good camera. R7 sensor is the same as M6mkii sensor so if Canon makes R7V, it is a new version M6mkii.

If R6V, it would have IBIS, 2 cards slot, cooling fan, big battery and full size HDMI. So the body size would be R5C without EVF.
Or add R3 sensor, it is better than FX3 or Z6iii.

I think Canon is not hurry to release. They just wait R50V sale first.

Very reasonable assumptions, BUT: what if the R7 II has a new sweet fast reading sensor, a body more akin to R6/R5 line and a compact R7V brother? One can dream…

But seriously: how long is the product cycle for a Canon sensor? If the one in the R7 is from 2019, maybe is due for a refresh and the scenario above could be not too far fetched? Sorry I didn’t follow much of R7II rumors…

 

[Exploreshootshare]

I am wondering if a R10 V would make sense. The R10 is pretty close to the R50 imo, but having an option with some upgrades which would cost more but wouldn't break the bank for some could make sense. Also, if the R7 "moves upmarket", a R7V might not be intriguing due to the price point. I can't image Canon selling a R7mkii for 2.000 $ and then have a R7V for 1.700 $ or so. The mentioned prices are just examples.

For full frame, my guess would be the R8. Looking at the price point, it makes the most sense to me.

 

[landon]

Powershot V3 - smaller V1?
R7V? - High end apsc video. Compete with FX30.
R6V? - Full frame video. Compete with FX3.
Vintage camera?
Mini Cine? - With C80 sensor, perfect for gymbal. Compete with FX3.

 

[ashmadux]

There aren't a lot of difference between the R6II and R8 video features, apart from the 2 vs 6 hour time limit and announced-but-yet-unimplemented RAW-over-HDMI. And of course the R6II has better thermal management, IBIS and bigger battery!

I suspect having IBIS will be the deciding factor for calling it an R6V or R8V.

Yep, if Canon wouldn't put Ibis in this model, it's highly likely they would save it for a r7 V based body if it is coming. I don't really see the point of a r8v it just doesn't really make much sense...but this is canon, so....

 

[SvO2]

If Canon wants the market share, it should be R8V because they can sell 1000-1500usd.
R6V would cost 2000-2500usd.

Does IBIS really add that much to the cost?

 

[DhlcadR6]

Stacked CMOS, clog2, IBIS, 4k60 oversampled, 4k120 with audio. The next RF V camera should have this as standard. And R6iii should be having these with all the traditional photography specs.

I don\'t think R8 is a good platform to base on, and market segment-wise R7ii should handle what everyone here thinks R8V is going to be.

Canon really needs a FX3, FX30 and a7s3 killer. If they want to get back into the videography race with Sony and Panasonic.

 

[Etnaphele]

Does IBIS really add that much to the cost?

IBIS alone probably not, but you need more space and a bigger body to accommodate it.

One of the differences between R8 and R6II is the better viewfinder, that in this case would not exist.

Obviously, R6II has a bunch of other improvements that brings the cost up that much above R8 (+ market positioning I would say).

Sony FX3 has IBIS, and R8V would have the small LP-E17 battery that would cripple a lot recording time. It will be interesting to see what they come up with, hopefully sooner rather than later…

 

[Since_5DIII]

If Canon wants the market share, it should be R8V because they can sell 1000-1500usd.
R6V would cost 2000-2500usd.

R50V body + R8 sensor is a good camera. R7 sensor is the same as M6mkii sensor so if Canon makes R7V, it is a new version M6mkii.

If R6V, it would have IBIS, 2 cards slot, cooling fan, big battery and full size HDMI. So the body size would be R5C without EVF.
Or add R3 sensor, it is better than FX3 or Z6iii.

I think Canon is not hurry to release. They just wait R50V sale first.

Wishful thinking, but considering the R6II has the 24 megapixel like the C80, if there were an R6V like you described that had the fans and features of something like the R5C, but used the C80 sensor and could shoot the C80 image, it would be incredibly useful on a professional set.

Currently I try to do this with the C80+R5II but they look and behave quite a bit differently IMO. Just being able to grab a second camera and know they will look exactly the same is huge. And something smaller than a C80 for the gimbal would make life a lot easier.

I will ruffle some feathers here, but I’d request that it doesn’t not have IBIS so it matches the C80.