DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA

[Canon Rumors]

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<p>DPReview sat down with Canon USA’s Chuck Westfall to talk about the Canon EOS 5Ds and EOS 5Ds R. The interview touches on dynamic range, and how it’s about the same as the EOS 5D Mark III. Chuck also says the noise performance of these cameras will be on par with the EOS 7D Mark II. The mirror mechanism in the 5Ds & 5Ds R is upgraded from the spring mechanism inside the Canon EOS 5D Mark III, this will help in reducing camera vibration while on a tripod.</p>
<p>Chuck also answers the question about who manufactures the sensor <a href="http://www.shutterbug.com/content/canon-launches-506mp-eos-5ds-and-5ds-r-world%E2%80%99s-highest-resolution-full-frame-dslrs" target="_blank">over at Shutterbug</a>, and it is indeed made by Canon. Contrary to some nagging rumors over the past few months.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“Despite some rumors to the contrary, Westfall said the 50.6MP CMOS sensors in the 5DS and 5DS R are developed and produced by Canon. When asked whether they were created in collaboration with Sony as some rumors indicated, Westfall responded by saying: “Absolutely not. The sensors were developed completely in-house, by Canon.”</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Sources [<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSQTKM3nQ5U" target="_blank">DPR</a>] [<a href="http://www.shutterbug.com/content/canon-launches-506mp-eos-5ds-and-5ds-r-world%E2%80%99s-highest-resolution-full-frame-dslrs" target="_blank">ShutterBug</a>] via [<a href="http://www.canonwatch.com/chuck-westfall-canon-eos-5ds-eos-5ds-r-no-dr-improvement-5d3-sensor-made-canon/" target="_blank">CanonWatch</a>]</p>
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[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

lol so there's no Dynamic range Improvement smh
so basically there modified with new Digic 6 processors and filtered 5D3's
canon u guy a slowing becoming like APPLE INC. dicing up ya best sellers into sub-niche categories for certain shooters
next thing u know they will make 2 more versions of the 7D mark 2

 

[3kramd5]

Why?? This camera was not a speed or video demon so why the heck not go to Sony for the sensor on it? You didn't even give it DPAF, so what possible reason for the Canon sensor?

The possibility exists that Sony and Nikon have some sort of exclusivity agreement in the SLR category (not that there aren't other sensor fabs out there).

 

[canonistic]

The "R" version

i wish the 5ds "R" had the low pass filter COMPLETELY REMOVED, instead of by-passed. It sounds like a complicated work around. I guess the proof is in the results, but I would like the design better if it was not there at all, rather than a complicated system to negate the effects. I don't understand the system, i admit, so maybe future information will make it clearer.

 

[fragilesi]

Why?? This camera was not a speed or video demon so why the heck not go to Sony for the sensor on it? You didn't even give it DPAF, so what possible reason for the Canon sensor?

The possibility exists that Sony and Nikon have some sort of exclusivity agreement in the SLR category (not that there aren't other sensor fabs out there).

Or Sony's 50MP sensor (assuming they have one) is too expensive or doesn't work so well with other aspects of the camera or probably a hundred other reasons that someone with knowledge of the tech / business could probably cite . . .

 

[bertzie]

"[The DR is about the same as the 5D3]"

and then he actually makes this next part sound like a postitive!

"“Absolutely not. The sensors were developed completely in-house, by Canon.”"

Why?? This camera was not a speed or video demon so why the heck not go to Sony for the sensor on it? You didn't even give it DPAF, so what possible reason for the Canon sensor?

Because if both Canon and Nikon and Sony all used the same sensor, what would be the point in buying one over the other?

Equally important question? Why should they chose a Sony sensor over one of their own?

 

[emko]

wow they went to 50mp because they know they can't keep up with the ISO and DR of the 36mp sensor so they act like they won with that dumb 50mp number WOW CANON


Can Canon make a better sensor or is this the best they can do?

 

[blanddragon]

Not to start a flame war but, queue all the fanbois on the Cannon Rumors site to complain and sight how <insert maker here> is superior blah blah blah.

In my opinion if you want a <insert maker here> go buy one.

Canon is gong to do what Canon is going to do. I'm going out to make some images now with my fine camera and lenses.

 

[emko]

Not to start a flame war but, queue all the fanbois on the Cannon Rumors site to complain and sight how <insert maker here> is superior blah blah blah.

In my opinion if you want a <insert maker here> go buy one.

Canon is gong to do what Canon is going to do. I'm going out to make some images now with my fine camera and lenses.

Really? we are a fanbois for wanting CANON to have a better SENSOR? only fanboy is you for defending CANON for no reason.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

wow they went to 50mp because they know they can't keep up with the ISO and DR of the 36mp sensor so they act like they won with that dumb 50mp number WOW CANON


Can Canon make a better sensor or is this the best they can do?

I guarantee with 100% confidence that this is exactly what Canon marketing and design department talked about. It's compensating for other shortcomings. I don't think it's going to fool enough people.

 

[zim]

The mirror mechanism in the 5Ds & 5Ds R is upgraded from the spring mechanism inside the Canon EOS 5D Mark III, this will help in reducing camera vibration while on a tripod.

I actually did laugh out loud at that one, so funny, you couldn't make that kind of stuff up.... Oh wait you can ;D

 

[PhotographyFirst]

Not to start a flame war but, queue all the fanbois on the Cannon Rumors site to complain and sight how <insert maker here> is superior blah blah blah.

In my opinion if you want a <insert maker here> go buy one.

Canon is gong to do what Canon is going to do. I'm going out to make some images now with my fine camera and lenses.

Canon is a big money hungry corporation. It's not like people are dissing Yo mamma.

You think Canon is going to get their feelings hurts and take it off the market out of spite?

Consumers have been trained to bend over and take a fatty in the rear, and on top of that fight their right to take it in the rear, and even more on top of that try to shut up anyone who points out they are paying to take it in the rear.

 

[mackguyver]

Extra DR is great, but not a life and death matter worthy of the inferiority complex many people seem to have over it. It's just one of many things that go into making a great photo. Yes, it would have been great if Canon could have improved it, but they didn't.

For some people, having more exposure latitude does make a big difference, but ETTR, HDR, luminosity and other techniques aren't hard to use when needed. It's not like the Sony/Nikon/Pentax crowd doesn't use these.

In the end, it's your money - buy what you need. If that's DR, small cameras, in-body stabilization, etc. there are plenty of choices. Personally, I'm excited by 50MP and an 11-24 f/4.

 

[bholliman]

The mirror mechanism in the 5Ds & 5Ds R is upgraded from the spring mechanism inside the Canon EOS 5D Mark III, this will help in reducing camera vibration while on a tripod.

I actually did laugh out loud at that one, so funny, you couldn't make that kind of stuff up.... Oh wait you can ;D

Sounds like a good improvement, why do you think its funny?

 

[edknuff]

NO improvement in DR, over the 5d3?

That is extremely disappointing... :'(

 

[bholliman]

Extra DR is great, but not a life and death matter worthy of the inferiority complex many people seem to have over it. It's just one of many things that go into making a great photo. Yes, it would have been great if Canon could have improved it, but they didn't.

For some people, having more exposure latitude does make a big difference, but ETTR, HDR, luminosity and other techniques aren't hard to use when needed. It's not like the Sony/Nikon/Pentax crowd doesn't use these.

In the end, it's your money - buy what you need. If that's DR, small cameras, in-body stabilization, etc. there are plenty of choices. Personally, I'm excited by 50MP and an 11-24 f/4.

+1

I'm a little disappointed that Canon did not improve DR here, but I'm not going to judge a camera before its actually available or been tested. I probably would not buy one of these bodies anyway, with or without DR improvement.

We can all vote with our credit cards. If these cameras don't meet your personal needs pass on them and buy Nikon/Sony if you are so inclined.

 

[brad-man]

Extra DR is great, but not a life and death matter worthy of the inferiority complex many people seem to have over it. It's just one of many things that go into making a great photo. Yes, it would have been great if Canon could have improved it, but they didn't.

For some people, having more exposure latitude does make a big difference, but ETTR, HDR, luminosity and other techniques aren't hard to use when needed. It's not like the Sony/Nikon/Pentax crowd doesn't use these.

In the end, it's your money - buy what you need. If that's DR, small cameras, in-body stabilization, etc. there are plenty of choices. Personally, I'm excited by 50MP and an 11-24 f/4.

+1

I'm a little disappointed that Canon did not improve DR here, but I'm not going to judge a camera before its actually available or been tested. I probably would not buy one of these bodies anyway, with or without DR improvement.

We can all vote with our credit cards. If these cameras don't meet your personal needs pass on them and buy Nikon/Sony if you are so inclined.

All true. But I'd like to see some examples of some landscape shots with the EF 11-24 paired with the D810. Should be quite the visual orgasm

 

[SoullessPolack]

Well I guess Chuck has answered the question of whether the sensor will be limited when compared to Exmor (the answer being "Yes".)

Hah, blanket statement if I ever saw one.

It's limited from a dynamic range standpoint (and don't pull the trigger on that opinion yet, you have no evidence, you have no reviews; there have been several instances where a company has understated, most likely by mistake, the performance of their product). But it's not limited from a resolution standpoint. In fact, it far excels in that category. So really, the limitation depends on what characteristic you're looking at. And in that case, the Exmor will be limited in some areas. It all depends on what characteristics are a priority for *you*.

In your case, it appears to be dynamic range. In mine, and a lot of other people, the extra resolution is surely welcomed. I usually bracket my exposures anyway, so there have been very few instances where I have needed extra dynamic range. I would love more resolution though, as I love seeing as much detail in my prints as possible.

 

[SoullessPolack]

Extra DR is great, but not a life and death matter worthy of the inferiority complex many people seem to have over it. It's just one of many things that go into making a great photo. Yes, it would have been great if Canon could have improved it, but they didn't.

For some people, having more exposure latitude does make a big difference, but ETTR, HDR, luminosity and other techniques aren't hard to use when needed. It's not like the Sony/Nikon/Pentax crowd doesn't use these.

In the end, it's your money - buy what you need. If that's DR, small cameras, in-body stabilization, etc. there are plenty of choices. Personally, I'm excited by 50MP and an 11-24 f/4.

+1

I'm a little disappointed that Canon did not improve DR here, but I'm not going to judge a camera before its actually available or been tested. I probably would not buy one of these bodies anyway, with or without DR improvement.

We can all vote with our credit cards. If these cameras don't meet your personal needs pass on them and buy Nikon/Sony if you are so inclined.

All true. But I'd like to see some examples of some landscape shots with the EF 11-24 paired with the D810. Should be quite the visual orgasm

In normal conditions, the visual orgasm will be better with this new 5D model. But you are right in certain cases; if the shooting conditions are challenging with a large variety in amount of light across the scene, and you can only take one shot due to your subject matter, then the D810 should produce the superior result.

 

[Loswr]

Why?? This camera was not a speed or video demon so why the heck not go to Sony for the sensor on it? You didn't even give it DPAF, so what possible reason for the Canon sensor?

The best reason of all – profit. Of course, I mean best from their perspective...but you don't really think Canon cares about your perspective, do you? :