More Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

A specification list for the EOS 6D Mark II has come about. It’s pretty much the <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/04/canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-cr1/" target="_blank">complete opposite of what we posted a week or so ago</a>.</p>
<ul>
<li>28MP</li>
<li>6 fps</li>
<li>ISO 100 – 102400 (expandable to 204800)</li>
<li>new AF system (but not the same as on 5DS)</li>
<li>98% viewfinder coverage</li>
<li>Single SD card slot</li>
<li>WiFi, NFC, and GPS</li>
<li>small improvements for video features</li>
</ul>
<p>The rumor above suggests that Canon wouldn’t release a full frame camera with the same resolution as the Rebel series cameras, which are now at 24mp. We posted that the EOS 6D Mark II would retain its own sensor and would have a lower megapixel count than the predicted 28mp in the upcoming Canon EOS 5D Mark IV.</p>
<p>I personally believe consumers of full frame DSLRs in this day and age understand that not all pixels are created equal. I don’t believe megapixel count is part of the marketing strategies for DSLRs anymore, unless you’re talking about the high resolution 50mp+ camera.</p>
<p>Availability of the EOS 6D Mark II is said to be early 2016.</p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://www.canonwatch.com/cw3-canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-talk-28mp-announcement-q1-2016/" target="_blank">CanonWatch</a>]</p>

 

[Chaitanya]

Sounds like a good upgrade over 6D. the Af needs to be more spread out than orignal and have more than 9points. also dual sd card slots would be useful but since its DumbCanon dont think it would have that.

 

[Maximilian]

I personally believe consumers of full frame DSLRs in this day and age understand that not all pixels are created equal. I don’t believe megapixel count is part of the marketing strategies for DSLRs anymore, unless you’re talking about the high resolution 50mp+ camera.

I was hoping that, too. But it seems not to reach all consumers. Maybe just a few.
And talking about "not all pixels are created equal" is not yet giving answers about how much Canon is able or willing to create better pixels.

 

[K]

Single Card Slot = I'm not buying it.

[RANT ON]

Not going to reward Canon for their intentional crippling of the camera. $2K camera with a single slot is insulting. And I'm not going to a 5D4 just for that feature. 5D4 is going to have to be potent on many other features to justify. If it isn't, and the 6D2 is a single slot - I'm on hold with Canon. I'm willing to wait one more generation for these basic features. If not, then I liquidate my L lenses and move on to Nikon, who by then will probably have updated some of their key glass - and their bodies will be even that much more feature rich than they are today.

What is Canon thinking in this marketplace after having released those poor fiscal results?

It will be mid-2016, it will be a nearly $2,100 camera - and it will have ONE SLOT. What a joke. But hey, if the suckers buy it - more power to Canon I suppose.

[RANT OFF]


Improved AF could mean anything. From the same number of AF points, just with more cross types, to more AF points entirely. I think on this Canon will give something better. Probably the 19pt system out of necessity. 19 points would be the minimum acceptable. 11 point all cross type would just turn people off. 61 point would be a big surprise and a pleasant one. That's not happening though. That kind of coverage is just too good.

28MP is nice. Make more use of the the very sharp, and recently released L lenses. Seems like a really great sweet spot between resolution and file size / speed.

ISO might be a stop better. That is very welcome.

Logically, it makes more sense for the sensor specs to come true than any others - since Canon is most likely to use the same or similarly new sensor as the 5D4, and that is also rumored to be 28MP. Thus, the DR, ISO and all the rest (processing aside) should in theory be the same - assuming Canon doesn't software cripple any of that. Judging from the past - Canon isn't afraid to release a cheaper camera with IQ as good or maybe even better than a more expensive camera. Canon instead, chooses to neuter their cameras in other ways. Sensor isn't one of them.

One would hope the 6D2 would have the various other software features - Anti Flicker, customizable menu, enhanced viewfinder, distortion correction and all that from the 7D2 and 5DS. If it is missing any of that, again - it is another Canon slap in the face, you can't have it because we want you to spend $4,000 type of message. But, like the original 6D, Canon did omit several software features. Nothing major though - the absence of these made no sense, but at the same time they weren't crippling.. So this is new territory - since there are some new features that really do make a difference now.

No Dual-Pixel is expected. That feature is key to separating it from other cameras that are being geared to appeal to videographers.


Still early, we shall see. Thanks for the update!

 

[Hellish]

Not buying without 4k!!!

 

[Lee Jay]

So, 5DIV announcement in August/September, availability in November/December,
1Dx II announcement in November/December, availability in early 2016,
6DII announcement in January/February, availability in early 2016?

Sounds like a lot of new stuff all at once.

 

[dolina]

So, 5DIV announcement in August/September, availability in November/December,
1Dx II announcement in November/December, availability in early 2016,
6DII announcement in January/February, availability in early 2016?

Sounds like a lot of new stuff all at once.

Feels about right...

 

[Bernard]

K, why is "single slot" such a big issue? As far as I'm concerned, dual card slots are a throwback to the days of unreliable, low capacity memory cards. Some professionals might want dual slots when covering "no reshoot" events, but I'm OK with skipping that feature on Canon's low-cost full frame camera.

 

[9VIII]

28MP is fine, more is better unless you shoot a lot of high ISO.
I would like a 50MP 6D (or a 5Ds with wi-fi).
With 8K being the eventual resolution people will be using for multimedia, anything 8000 pixels wide will basically be seen as "top quality" for the rest of forever. Below that and people are going to see cropping and have that nagging feeling that it's not "the best".

 

[JohnBran]

it will be interesting to see at what price level it will come in. where i am Nikon D750 is 2000 euro. By the time this camera comes out i expect D750 to be about 1500 euro.
Question is can 6DMk2 deliver better low light, better and faster AF then D750.
There is no way Canon will ever match Nikon on features, thats given but imho they need good AF in this one.

This is the camera i will be waiting to purchase but only if AF is better and it's better in low light . I'll wait and see . I have sold all my lenses except 2 so it will be easier to switch to Nikon if this one is also badly crippled by Canon (for the price you are paying).

 

[Zv]

K, why is "single slot" such a big issue? As far as I'm concerned, dual card slots are a throwback to the days of unreliable, low capacity memory cards. Some professionals might want dual slots when covering "no reshoot" events, but I'm OK with skipping that feature on Canon's low-cost full frame camera.

Exactly. Dunno what all this hoo ha is about dual slots on the 6D. It's a low end FF for hobbyists and enthusiasts. If you're a pro who relies on paid work then you really ought to have a 5D MkIII. Otherwise you're clearly just being a cheap-o and then complaining about lack of features. Buy the right gear for the job.

 

[sanj]

K, why is "single slot" such a big issue? As far as I'm concerned, dual card slots are a throwback to the days of unreliable, low capacity memory cards. Some professionals might want dual slots when covering "no reshoot" events, but I'm OK with skipping that feature on Canon's low-cost full frame camera.

Exactly. Dunno what all this hoo ha is about dual slots on the 6D. It's a low end FF for hobbyists and enthusiasts. If you're a pro who relies on paid work then you really ought to have a 5D MkIII. Otherwise you're clearly just being a cheap-o and then complaining about lack of features. Buy the right gear for the job.

Agree.

 

[JohanCruyff]

So, 5DIV announcement in August/September, availability in November/December,
1Dx II announcement in November/December, availability in early 2016,
6DII announcement in January/February, availability in early 2016?

Sounds like a lot of new stuff all at once.

Feels about right...

Announcment dates (source: Wikipedia):
1Dx: October 2011
5D3: March 2012
6D: September 2012
3 New FF in less than a year is a good result, but Sony is delivering 3 New FF bodies every quarter.

 

[mnclayshooter]

K, why is "single slot" such a big issue? As far as I'm concerned, dual card slots are a throwback to the days of unreliable, low capacity memory cards. Some professionals might want dual slots when covering "no reshoot" events, but I'm OK with skipping that feature on Canon's low-cost full frame camera.

Exactly. Dunno what all this hoo ha is about dual slots on the 6D. It's a low end FF for hobbyists and enthusiasts. If you're a pro who relies on paid work then you really ought to have a 5D MkIII. Otherwise you're clearly just being a cheap-o and then complaining about lack of features. Buy the right gear for the job.

Agree.

+1... anyone ever remember the good old days of shooting dual-roll 35mm? neither do I.

 

[dolina]

Why settle for single? Why not 1 dozen car slots? I demand 1 dozen MMC card slots!

 

[facedodge]

I want a swivel screen.

 

[K]

K, why is "single slot" such a big issue? As far as I'm concerned, dual card slots are a throwback to the days of unreliable, low capacity memory cards. Some professionals might want dual slots when covering "no reshoot" events, but I'm OK with skipping that feature on Canon's low-cost full frame camera.

First of all, dual card slot is not a throw back of any kind whatsoever. It is an advancement.

Secondly, While memory cards are always getting more reliable - NONE are perfectly reliable. I could have said the same thing over 10 years ago. "Buy the latest high quality memory cards, they are more reliable than the older legacy cards for a few years ago and don't worry about it" - but of course, the best cards bought today do fail from time to time.

Thirdly, it is a matter of value. For LESS money, the competition (NIKON), is offering 2-slots on their FF entry camera. Why shouldn't we expect the same from Canon? How much is Canon saving us by omitting the 2nd slot? Obviously nothing, because Nikon has it and is already cheaper. This isn't about saving us money - this is about crippling cameras as part of a petty product segmentation strategy.


Is Canon doing us some kind of favor by omitting it? We've ruled out cost savings.

Better yet, can anyone here come up with any real negative to having 2 card slots? I don't think anyone can even find a single negative. Zero. Even the size/weight issue is debunked, since the D7100 is smaller than 6D and it has 2 slots.

However, there are a lot of benefits to two slots.

At best, all one can say in favor of one slot is - "I don't care, I don't need two" ..and that is fine. However, having it doesn't harm a thing, only helps - and for the money spent, it ought to be offered.

 

[K]

If you're a pro who relies on paid work then you really ought to have a 5D MkIII. Otherwise you're clearly just being a cheap-o and then complaining about lack of features. Buy the right gear for the job.

Precisely what Canon thinks too.

But the truth is - dual card slot isn't just for pros.

I'd hate to lose photos on a high dollar vacation on the other side of the world, or a precious moment with my children. It is for anyone who wants to ensure their photos are safe. Yes, that does include a large segment of pros.

But again, Nikon offers it on the D7100 and D7200. Is this a pro camera? Are D610 sales being hurt? How about the D610, it has 2 slots, is it killing the D810?


"Buy the right gear for the job" ...excellent advice. And kind of my point all along. The right gear for the job won't be Canon's gear. Because if data redundancy is critical, $3,700 is the entry point for Canon. $1,400 is the entry point for Nikon. That's full frame. For crop, it's about $1,000 Nikon, $1,800 Canon.

Cheap-O is not me. It is Canon, who charges over $2,000 for a camera and doesn't put a second SD slot in it. With the dirt cheap price of memory card interfaces, Canon is being real stingy here.

+1... anyone ever remember the good old days of shooting dual-roll 35mm? neither do I.

That is an awful, short-sighted comparison for sake of a poor argument - since 35mm film does not just fail. Surely, if you accidentally expose it. But that is user error as would be formatting your memory card, or dropping / damaging it. Memory cards just fail without any user interaction or error involved.

On its own, a 35mm roll does not.





On another note, when I argue in favor of Canon offering a feature - why does a flood of people come out with snide comments against me? It is bizarre. Is it some kind of blasphemy to expect a simple feature? Why all the apologists defending Canon? Are these Canon employees or something? Does Canon need defending? Are they worthy of it? Has Canon been unjustifiably wronged or something by a consumer seeking a feature and calling them out on it?

Strange indeed.

 

[Zv]

K, why is "single slot" such a big issue? As far as I'm concerned, dual card slots are a throwback to the days of unreliable, low capacity memory cards. Some professionals might want dual slots when covering "no reshoot" events, but I'm OK with skipping that feature on Canon's low-cost full frame camera.

First of all, dual card slot is not a throw back of any kind whatsoever. It is an advancement.

Secondly, While memory cards are always getting more reliable - NONE are perfectly reliable. I could have said the same thing over 10 years ago. "Buy the latest high quality memory cards, they are more reliable than the older legacy cards for a few years ago and don't worry about it" - but of course, the best cards bought today do fail from time to time.

Thirdly, it is a matter of value. For LESS money, the competition (NIKON), is offering 2-slots on their FF entry camera. Why shouldn't we expect the same from Canon? How much is Canon saving us by omitting the 2nd slot? Obviously nothing, because Nikon has it and is already cheaper. This isn't about saving us money - this is about crippling cameras as part of a petty product segmentation strategy.


Is Canon doing us some kind of favor by omitting it? We've ruled out cost savings.

Better yet, can anyone here come up with any real negative to having 2 card slots? I don't think anyone can even find a single negative. Zero. Even the size/weight issue is debunked, since the D7100 is smaller than 6D and it has 2 slots.

However, there are a lot of benefits to two slots.

At best, all one can say in favor of one slot is - "I don't care, I don't need two" ..and that is fine. However, having it doesn't harm a thing, only helps - and for the money spent, it ought to be offered.

Oh I'm sorry is the D7100 a full frame camera?

There are numerous things that can fail - camera, lens, battery etc so is having an extra card slot really gonna guarantee 100% reliability? No. Probably not.

Don't you think, in a way (feel free to disagree) that by creating two card slots the manufacturer is saying that they have less faith in their hardware. I know they can't control memory card quality control but they can make solid card slots and good firmware that reduces the chance of failure.

Now, who do you trust more, honestly, with quality control? Don't you think Nikon NEED that extra slot now? <totally joking there!>

 

[siegsAR]

Looking all good!

Fwiw, I just hope the af system would be marginally better than the current one and not just "new".