More Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]

[Loswr]

And you registered just to tell us that? Are you perhaps a Nikon troll-for-hire?

I own an extensive array of Canon gears. More than 10 L glasses and 4 professional bodies I'm a LONG time reader of this forum. And yes, I never posted before. But couldn't resist to express my view about this, so just registered the account.

Once I switch, I'll surely miss my glasses but not my bodies for sure.

Ok then - welcome!

 

[Lee Jay]

With all these defending, I'm pretty sure Canon is paying employees to post here.

How can you be "pretty sure" about something you can not possibly know anything about?

 

[Mdshirajum]

With all these defending, I'm pretty sure Canon is paying employees to post here.

How can you be "pretty sure" about something you can not possibly know anything about?

I stated the reason in the next line

 

[Loswr]

With all these defending, I'm pretty sure Canon is paying employees to post here.

How can you be "pretty sure" about something you can not possibly know anything about?

I guess he means this:

I do not understand when a consumer wants a feature, why another 'consumer' will oppose that!

The problem appears to be his lack of understanding. : Perhaps he thinks Canon has infinite R&D resources, and can't envision how them spending yen on one aspect of their technology could preclude them from spending yen on something else?

 

[Lee Jay]

With all these defending, I'm pretty sure Canon is paying employees to post here.

How can you be "pretty sure" about something you can not possibly know anything about?

I stated the reason in the next line

None of that was even remotely in the same zip code as a "reason".

 

[Mdshirajum]

The problem appears to be his lack of understanding. : Perhaps he thinks Canon has infinite R&D resources, and can't envision how them spending yen on one aspect of their technology could preclude them from spending yen on something else?

Lol! You are suggesting Canon will need huge R&D money for including a 2nd card slot? Lol! It's all about intentionally crippling a product to see the next one.

And Don't teach me about R&D please. I have been a researcher for last 7 years in an esteemed institution. I know exactly how the tech corporations work. Search my user name and you will find

Anyways, I'll not follow this thread anymore. No point arguing with extreme fan boys or paid employees.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Love my 6D in spite of its shortcomings and I've posted lots of shots to prove it's a capable camera.

Now with 6D and 1D4 I can't say I enjoy the extra weight but boy 10 FPS is great for bursts.

Not sorry I didn't buy the 5D3 but may be looking at the 5D4 or perhaps a used 1Dx, probably not a 6D2 but maybe.

I came from Nikon and prefer my Canon glass and the camera ergonomics, especially. I think some people just thrive on complaints but I can't imagine living like that.

I'm Jack

 

[Loswr]

Lol! You are suggesting Canon will need huge R&D money for including a 2nd card slot? Lol! It's all about intentionally crippling a product to see the next one.

You said it wasn't about the card slot...

And no, if I switch, that won't be because of this no 2nd card slot rumour lol. I'm just very disappointed with the way Canon playing this. I have my own principle and it's disheartening to see canons ploy.

I guess Toyota should put heated leather seats into the base model Yaris, too? I guess someone needs to teach you about product differentiation as well as R&D.

Oh well, your gone anyway. Good luck with all that research at your esteemed institution.

 

[AdjustedInCamera]

Not buying without tilt-able display!

Man I wish Canon would get on board with this. I really cant see a reason not to include one...the 6D body isnt even well weather-sealed, so, its not like it would cause issues like it might on the shell of the 5Dx and 1Dx cameras.

I dont want to have to kill my phone and camera battery to get an easily viewable display from tough angles. Or buy a separate viewfinder I have to lug around. And it cant be an expensive item, as even the cheap entry cameras have them

+1

I went travelling recently with my 60D and took loads of pictures. Then went back with my 6D. 6D pictures were better but enjoyed the trip with the 60d much more. The tiltable screen made set-up on a tripod much easier, I got one shot over a wire fence that I couldn't have got with the 6d, and also I enjoyed being able to shoot little bits of video using the screen out like a camcoder.

Would also be good if the pre-set scene modes were kept on the 6d. It was actually very helpful to a beginner like me to be able to select these and take a picture without worrying about the various settings. It would be good if they were fully programmable also, then when you have a custom set-up for landscapes, you could just set that up and save it to the landscape mode setting.

Glad to see GPS, WiFi, NFC, included, hope they make it to the final product also. If I get these features and the IQ is as good/better as the 6d I will buy.

P.S. If this is a camera aimed at consumers not "pros", can we ask Canon not to listen to the "pros" when deciding on the features? What would the BMW 3 series look like if it had been designed by professional drivers? What would the Apple phone look like if it had been designed by "professional phone users"? Bet it wouldn't have had a camera in it

On a serious point, does anyone have a feel for what the 'pro' camera market is actually compared to the 'non-pro'. Where 'pro' means you get paid for your work? I would have thought that there must be many more non-pros than pros, and to grow a market you would certainly have to appeal to the non-pros in any case?

 

[Crosswind]

Please. Back to topic ladys n gentlemen.

Besides a tilt-able display I wish that the 6D would be able to use ISO 102400 in LiveView mode. Now it's only ISO 12800 so when out in the dark I always have to do a 1" exposure to see what's in my frame and then recompose. As a good low-light camera, the 6D mkII should feature at least ISO102400 LiveView. The sony a7s can even use ISO400k with liveview... So this would be a very nice upgrade for me too!

I went travelling recently with my 60D and took loads of pictures. Then went back with my 6D. 6D pictures were better but enjoyed the trip with the 60d much more. The tiltable screen made set-up on a tripod much easier, ...

+1

 

[bedford]

1 Stop more DR than the current 6D and I'd buy it.

Honestly, for me (enthusiast coming from the 60D) this specs look good, although I would have loved a built-in flash.

Oliver

 

[dak723]

Ok, but will they put a Sony Exmor in it?

Or persist with Canon's current lacking designs?

Be careful what you ask for. Having recently bought (and returned) the Sony A7 II with the vaunted Exmor sensor, I would have to express my disappointment with it. I spent a week taking the same shots with the Sony and my Canon 6D, and as I mentioned, returned the Sony. I normally shoot landscapes and in comparing the shots, the Sony and Canon pics were either essentially the same, or I preferred the Canon pics. I realize that the opinions when looking at actual pics is subjective as opposed to looking at test shots on the internet. I preferred the color of the Canon, but mostly the contrast and tone curve. The Sony pics were noticeably more "washed out." Of course, more DR will result in less contrast and the amount of DR in the Canon was sufficient for the landscape pics I took ranging from full daylight to pics taken just after sunset. I really thought the Exmor sensor and the Sony would give me better results for the sunset pics, but the additional DR was of absolutely no benefit in those pics. So, in my opinion, the loss of contrast for the minimal gain in DR is not worth it.

 

[Orangutan]

Ok, but will they put a Sony Exmor in it?

Or persist with Canon's current lacking designs?

A better question is when other brands will do what's necessary to compete with Canon's strength in other areas of the system. What Canon is currently doing works fine for them.

And to repeat yet again: I can't imagine anyone on these forums would be unhappy with more low-ISO DR, so long as it doesn't come at the expense of other Canon advantages.

 

[Orangutan]

No point arguing

What kind of photography do you do? If it's strictly landscape or studio (low ISO) then it might be to your advantage to use another brand.

 

[jarrodeu]

If you're a pro who relies on paid work then you really ought to have a 5D MkIII. Otherwise you're clearly just being a cheap-o and then complaining about lack of features. Buy the right gear for the job.

Precisely what Canon thinks too.

But the truth is - dual card slot isn't just for pros.

I'd hate to lose photos on a high dollar vacation on the other side of the world, or a precious moment with my children. It is for anyone who wants to ensure their photos are safe. Yes, that does include a large segment of pros.

But again, Nikon offers it on the D7100 and D7200. Is this a pro camera? Are D610 sales being hurt? How about the D610, it has 2 slots, is it killing the D810?


"Buy the right gear for the job" ...excellent advice. And kind of my point all along. The right gear for the job won't be Canon's gear. Because if data redundancy is critical, $3,700 is the entry point for Canon. $1,400 is the entry point for Nikon. That's full frame. For crop, it's about $1,000 Nikon, $1,800 Canon.

Cheap-O is not me. It is Canon, who charges over $2,000 for a camera and doesn't put a second SD slot in it. With the dirt cheap price of memory card interfaces, Canon is being real stingy here.

+1... anyone ever remember the good old days of shooting dual-roll 35mm? neither do I.

That is an awful, short-sighted comparison for sake of a poor argument - since 35mm film does not just fail. Surely, if you accidentally expose it. But that is user error as would be formatting your memory card, or dropping / damaging it. Memory cards just fail without any user interaction or error involved.

On its own, a 35mm roll does not.





On another note, when I argue in favor of Canon offering a feature - why does a flood of people come out with snide comments against me? It is bizarre. Is it some kind of blasphemy to expect a simple feature? Why all the apologists defending Canon? Are these Canon employees or something? Does Canon need defending? Are they worthy of it? Has Canon been unjustifiably wronged or something by a consumer seeking a feature and calling them out on it?

Strange indeed.

Sounds like you need to switch to Nikon!
I have a 7D and would like to jump up to full frame but the 6D is too slow and the AF is poor.
If I don't want the 6D, it's not Canon's fault. It is a free market so I can switch to Nikon or I can fork over more money for the 5D MK III which has dropped significantly. It is MY choice, not Canon's.

Jarrod

 

[Sporgon]

Ok, but will they put a Sony Exmor in it?

Or persist with Canon's current lacking designs?

I've heard they are going to improve the sensor cleaning function.

 

[Matthew Saville]

K, why is "single slot" such a big issue? As far as I'm concerned, dual card slots are a throwback to the days of unreliable, low capacity memory cards. Some professionals might want dual slots when covering "no reshoot" events, but I'm OK with skipping that feature on Canon's low-cost full frame camera.

Exactly. Dunno what all this hoo ha is about dual slots on the 6D. It's a low end FF for hobbyists and enthusiasts. If you're a pro who relies on paid work then you really ought to have a 5D MkIII. Otherwise you're clearly just being a cheap-o and then complaining about lack of features. Buy the right gear for the job.

...Said no professional Nikon D610, D750, or D7000+ user, ever.

No offense, but "Buy the right gear for the job" is a pretty significant cop-out in today's market.

The right gear for the job does not necessarily mean heavier and more expensive. If anything, I could say the opposite based on how the 6D sensor out-performs the 5D mk3. The 5D mk3 might have all the shooting / focusing power and extra features, but if you want the right tool for the job, sometimes that is is a 6D. Or two of them if you do timelapse work, which is a growing industry right now. And sometimes, having dual card slots in a lightweight camera is indeed a professional solution.

 

[IglooEater]

I guess Toyota should put heated leather seats into the base model Yaris, too?
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Volkswagen does. (Or, used to; haven't checked lately)

 

[andrewflo]

Seems pretty believable. I'm surprised about the speculation of jumping from 20 to 28 megapixels. Surely it would be a great camera, but makes me wonder where that would leave the 5DIV? ~30 megapixels? As much as I would love a low-MP low light monster, I'm curious whether Canon would really pursue that route with the 5DIV.

Also, I wonder if Canon would go for a Dual Pixel / Touch screen (possibly articulating) type of route. Kind of like a full frame 70D.

Seems to make sense in terms of where the 6D sits in the product line. But might be a bit pricey to produce?

 

[nathlong]

Reading this list, there is just one thought that comes to mind.

'Meh'

I love my 6D, but compared to other systems on the market, its just boring.
And it doesn't look like this new body is going to change that.