Where are the Rumors? EOS 5D Mark IV

[Canon Rumors]

There’s been a lot of chatter about the EOS 5D Mark III replacement, most of it rooted from a talkative forum member at DPReview. We haven’t played into it, because that sort of detailed information doesn’t come out 6 months before the release of camera, it never has and it never will. Leaks out of Canon has tightened up significantly over the years (my bad), which makes the chanced of such rumors being true, highly unlikely.</p>
<p>There is no imminent announcement for an EOS 5D Mark III replacement and we’ll likely be seeing an EOS-1D X Mark II beforehand. The rumored August 14, 2015 announcement date came and went without a new product from Canon, but we should be seeing something in the next month or so. Please be sure to check sources on posts, we do posts things that aren’t told directly to us.</p>
<p>All that said, the EF 35mm f/1.4L II is the real deal and we should see that shipping before December of this year. Beyond that, the next Canon DSLR is an unknown at this time.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>

 

[sdeutscher]

I think we should see a 70D replacement in the next 6 months with the new 24mpx sensor from the T6s/i(750D,760D)

 

[Chaitanya]

I think we should see a 70D replacement in the next 6 months with the new 24mpx sensor from the T6s/i(750D,760D)

Dont forget the Dual Pixel Af capability which will be carried forward into 80D with the new 24Mp sensor. I think Canon will make sure to add Dual Pixel Af into 5D Mk IV as well. I hope adds 4K recording capabilities as well, all the competitors are offerring 4K capable cameras really attractive prices.

 

[sanj]

Is it at all a possibility that 5ds/r are the 5d3 replacements?

 

[Canon Rumors]

Is it at all a possibility that 5ds/r are the 5d3 replacements?

I can assure you that they are not.

 

[Maui5150]

The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he did not exist.

 

[Etienne]

There’s been a lot of chatter about the EOS 5D Mark III replacement, most of it rooted from a talkative forum member at DPReview. We haven’t played into it, because that sort of detailed information doesn’t come out 6 months before the release of camera, it never has and it never will. Leaks out of Canon has tightened up significantly over the years (my bad), which makes the chanced of such rumors being true, highly unlikely.</p>
<p>There is no imminent announcement for an EOS 5D Mark III replacement and we’ll likely be seeing an EOS-1D X Mark II beforehand. The rumored August 14, 2015 announcement date came and went without a new product from Canon, but we should be seeing something in the next month or so. Please be sure to check sources on posts, we do posts things that aren’t told directly to us.</p>
<p>All that said, the EF 35mm f/1.4L II is the real deal and we should see that shipping before December of this year. Beyond that, the next Canon DSLR is an unknown at this time.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>

I sure hope Canon hits the 5D mk IV out of the park. What I really want is a killer 5D4 paired with a C100 mk III (with full sensor DPAF, better codec, and 4K). The other option is Sony FS7 paired with an A7s II . But I am hoping to stay with Canon

 

[xps]

I heared at an introduction event of the Sony 7RII (where they promoted the superb Batis lenses too) talks about products of the "foe". It was said that Nikon is working on an competitor with an Sony sensor inside in the 800er class. And: Canon is holding back an 5DIII successor as they first do not want to harm the 5DS sells, second they will update their strategy what to put in the 5DIII successor, third the priority is recently on making an 1DX successor. Canon - so I heared - is astonished about the good AF system of the 7RII (not on the IQ (!) of the 7RII) and seems to do a work around on the planned AF system of the 5DIV.
I personally was astonished about the mentioned "not being in fear" of the 7RII IQ, as it is really an excellent IQ of the 7RII. Maybe, the coming new sensor is better or equal to the Sony IQ, or they say, that the "whole system" (camera and lens) is on par with the competitors.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

We haven’t played into it, because that sort of detailed information doesn’t come out 6 months before the release of camera, it never has and it never will.

We have someone on CR that has said Adobe get final model specs/samples to work with 6 months out.

If that's true (and it was a "see, I'm right, you're wrong" comment, making me think that they wouldn't normally say it) then most definitely 6 months prior to release, its specs are finalised.

6 months to do software testing (both camera firmware plus DPP suite), hardware testing, production line preparation, etc. Seems very reasonable to me.

Or are you referring to announcement? Because engineering might have a "public beta ready by" date that is when the announcement is made, which is different to "general availability/release" date. For example, with the 5Ds/R, the "6 month rule" (above re Adobe) might relate to when it is released, meaning Adobe would get data to work with less than 3 months prior to announcement.

I would love to see CR do a summary page of rumors (rumor title, specs, date) and if they turned out to be true or false - and if true, when.

Parts for a new model likely go into the early stages of production 1-2 years in advance. Tooling can take a long time. So some aspects are finalized long in advance.

I'm sure that the camera physical parts are beginning assembly at least 6 months before release. However, firmware is one of the last things to tweak. Adobe has previously said they do not get information from Canon in advance. Canon just does not allow for leaks like giving info to Adobe.

 

[tcmatthews]

I still think that a 5D Mark IV is a spring 2016 announcement. It could really easily turn into a fall 2016 announcement. Probably 2017 before a new 70D successor comes out. That said I would like to be surprised by an early announcement.

In the mean time I am considering selling my A7II and buying a A7rII. Or picking up a Best buy credit card to purchase a A7II on a 12 month 0 interest loan. That way it will be easier to use my Canon lenses. If the 5D Mark IV is smaller and has an articulating screen I may pick one up otherwise I will wait for the 6DII to make my next Canon purchase discussion.

I now use my 6D primarily when I want a flash or need to use a long lens. Every thing else I use my Sony. Primarily because I enjoy manual focus. But have been planning on buying more Sony FE mount lenses.

 

[NancyP]

I enjoy manual focus lenses too, but tend to shoot macro or landscape, with some tripod or monopod assistance. Our local brick and mortar store doesn't carry the Sony bodies. How are the ergonomics? "Hand feel" is important to me, as well as weight and size. 60D and 6D are perfect fits for my hands, L bracket on the cameras 100% of the time. I have held a 1DX at the store, feels ginormous, not for me, at least hand-held. I haven't done the Magic Lantern bit, which can give you focusing aids, admittedly on the LCD only, on Canon DSLRs.

 

[x-vision]

I still think that a 5D Mark IV is a spring 2016 announcement.

I think so too.

I believe we'll only see the announcement of the 1DXII this year.
Probably in October - with the camera likely shipping in the spring of 2016.

The 5DIV is likely to be announced between February-June 2016, IMO.

 

[privatebydesign]

We haven’t played into it, because that sort of detailed information doesn’t come out 6 months before the release of camera, it never has and it never will.

We have someone on CR that has said Adobe get final model specs/samples to work with 6 months out.

If that's true (and it was a "see, I'm right, you're wrong" comment, making me think that they wouldn't normally say it) then most definitely 6 months prior to release, its specs are finalised.

6 months to do software testing (both camera firmware plus DPP suite), hardware testing, production line preparation, etc. Seems very reasonable to me.

Or are you referring to announcement? Because engineering might have a "public beta ready by" date that is when the announcement is made, which is different to "general availability/release" date. For example, with the 5Ds/R, the "6 month rule" (above re Adobe) might relate to when it is released, meaning Adobe would get data to work with less than 3 months prior to announcement.

I would love to see CR do a summary page of rumors (rumor title, specs, date) and if they turned out to be true or false - and if true, when.

That isn't how I recall the comment. It was more like 'Adobe, and others, are given the RAW file specs, and possibly samples, 6 months out', that is a completely different thing, there is no way on earth Canon are sending out complete cameras, or there specs, to all and sundry. Adobe and other key software companies need some kind of preempt from Canon to make the cameras attractive to early adopters, if those early adopters are forced to make too many concessions or wait too long to actually manipulate their files they won't buy the cameras.

However, even those pre release files will be subject to last minute changes, hence the delays we sometimes get for ACR updates even after a camera has been out for a while.

 

[unfocused]

We haven’t played into it, because that sort of detailed information doesn’t come out 6 months before the release of camera, it never has and it never will.

We have someone on CR that has said Adobe get final model specs/samples to work with 6 months out.

That isn't how I recall the comment. It was more like 'Adobe, and others, are given the RAW file specs, and possibly samples, 6 months out', that is a completely different thing...Adobe and other key software companies need some kind of preempt from Canon to make the cameras attractive to early adopters, if those early adopters are forced to make too many concessions or wait too long to actually manipulate their files they won't buy the cameras.

Exactly. Not being a programmer, I don't know how much the raw file specs change from one camera to another. I imagine if there is a major rewrite of the code, it would take Adobe and others longer to incorporate that. But, if it's just minor tweaks, it might not take as long. I'm sure Canon and Adobe work hand in hand to make sure that the necessary updates are available as soon as possible. As Private points out, Canon doesn't want to be shipping cameras that have files that cannot be read by Camera Raw and Lightroom.

But honestly, Dilbert, let's try not to be so much of a..."Dilbert." You know full well that that discussion was about Raw files, not about Camera specs. And really, even among the geariest gear-heads on this forum, would anyone really care about a rumor that said, "We've learned that on line 64 of the new Canon 5DIV code there will now be eight zeros and 12 ones, instead of the old code, which had 10 zeros and 10 ones," even if such a rumor were CR3.

 

[Loswr]

We haven’t played into it, because that sort of detailed information doesn’t come out 6 months before the release of camera, it never has and it never will.

We have someone on CR that has said Adobe get final model specs/samples to work with 6 months out.

If that's true (and it was a "see, I'm right, you're wrong" comment, making me think that they wouldn't normally say it) then most definitely 6 months prior to release, its specs are finalised.

6 months to do software testing (both camera firmware plus DPP suite), hardware testing, production line preparation, etc. Seems very reasonable to me.

Or are you referring to announcement? Because engineering might have a "public beta ready by" date that is when the announcement is made, which is different to "general availability/release" date. For example, with the 5Ds/R, the "6 month rule" (above re Adobe) might relate to when it is released, meaning Adobe would get data to work with less than 3 months prior to announcement.

I would love to see CR do a summary page of rumors (rumor title, specs, date) and if they turned out to be true or false - and if true, when.

That isn't how I recall the comment. It was more like 'Adobe, and others, are given the RAW file specs, and possibly samples, 6 months out', that is a completely different thing, there is no way on earth Canon are sending out complete cameras, or there specs, to all and sundry. Adobe and other key software companies need some kind of preempt from Canon to make the cameras attractive to early adopters, if those early adopters are forced to make too many concessions or wait too long to actually manipulate their files they won't buy the cameras.

However, even those pre release files will be subject to last minute changes, hence the delays we sometimes get for ACR updates even after a camera has been out for a while.

+1 but some things are beyond the understanding of certain people.

 

[Stu_bert]

I heared at an introduction event of the Sony 7RII (where they promoted the superb Batis lenses too) talks about products of the "foe". It was said that Nikon is working on an competitor with an Sony sensor inside in the 800er class. And: Canon is holding back an 5DIII successor as they first do not want to harm the 5DS sells, second they will update their strategy what to put in the 5DIII successor, third the priority is recently on making an 1DX successor. Canon - so I heared - is astonished about the good AF system of the 7RII (not on the IQ (!) of the 7RII) and seems to do a work around on the planned AF system of the 5DIV.
I personally was astonished about the mentioned "not being in fear" of the 7RII IQ, as it is really an excellent IQ of the 7RII. Maybe, the coming new sensor is better or equal to the Sony IQ, or they say, that the "whole system" (camera and lens) is on par with the competitors.

That's because the A7rII and Sony sensors are good, but not as amazing as some people might infer. Nikon still manage to produce better images out of the 36MP sensor than Sony but cannot launch a 42MP product for 6 months after the A7rII launches. But Nikon will be in "adjusting firmware and field testing" phase for the D820 or whatever it will be called.

Canon will be surprised on how well Sony has reverse engineered Canon IP, but one wonders if they (Sony/Metabones) will have to tweak things as new Canon lenses are released.

I do concur, no MK IV till 2016 as they are doing fine with the 5Ds/R and don't need to crowd out that space with another 5D model. Pus I think they will wait and see what the 42MP Nikon is like

 

[Stu_bert]

We haven’t played into it, because that sort of detailed information doesn’t come out 6 months before the release of camera, it never has and it never will.

We have someone on CR that has said Adobe get final model specs/samples to work with 6 months out.

If that's true (and it was a "see, I'm right, you're wrong" comment, making me think that they wouldn't normally say it) then most definitely 6 months prior to release, its specs are finalised.

6 months to do software testing (both camera firmware plus DPP suite), hardware testing, production line preparation, etc. Seems very reasonable to me.

Or are you referring to announcement? Because engineering might have a "public beta ready by" date that is when the announcement is made, which is different to "general availability/release" date. For example, with the 5Ds/R, the "6 month rule" (above re Adobe) might relate to when it is released, meaning Adobe would get data to work with less than 3 months prior to announcement.

I would love to see CR do a summary page of rumors (rumor title, specs, date) and if they turned out to be true or false - and if true, when.

Agree - a CR summary page would be cool...

 

[Stu_bert]

We haven’t played into it, because that sort of detailed information doesn’t come out 6 months before the release of camera, it never has and it never will.

We have someone on CR that has said Adobe get final model specs/samples to work with 6 months out.

If that's true (and it was a "see, I'm right, you're wrong" comment, making me think that they wouldn't normally say it) then most definitely 6 months prior to release, its specs are finalised.

6 months to do software testing (both camera firmware plus DPP suite), hardware testing, production line preparation, etc. Seems very reasonable to me.

Or are you referring to announcement? Because engineering might have a "public beta ready by" date that is when the announcement is made, which is different to "general availability/release" date. For example, with the 5Ds/R, the "6 month rule" (above re Adobe) might relate to when it is released, meaning Adobe would get data to work with less than 3 months prior to announcement.

I would love to see CR do a summary page of rumors (rumor title, specs, date) and if they turned out to be true or false - and if true, when.

Parts for a new model likely go into the early stages of production 1-2 years in advance. Tooling can take a long time. So some aspects are finalized long in advance.

I'm sure that the camera physical parts are beginning assembly at least 6 months before release. However, firmware is one of the last things to tweak. Adobe has previously said they do not get information from Canon in advance. Canon just does not allow for leaks like giving info to Adobe.

Yes, given the 3 year cycle, new sensor and AF will be ready around the 12-24 month gate to allow production, although they always have 6 months to produce initial samples as Canon announces and then ships much later

 

[Stu_bert]

We haven’t played into it, because that sort of detailed information doesn’t come out 6 months before the release of camera, it never has and it never will.

We have someone on CR that has said Adobe get final model specs/samples to work with 6 months out.

If that's true (and it was a "see, I'm right, you're wrong" comment, making me think that they wouldn't normally say it) then most definitely 6 months prior to release, its specs are finalised.

6 months to do software testing (both camera firmware plus DPP suite), hardware testing, production line preparation, etc. Seems very reasonable to me.

Or are you referring to announcement? Because engineering might have a "public beta ready by" date that is when the announcement is made, which is different to "general availability/release" date. For example, with the 5Ds/R, the "6 month rule" (above re Adobe) might relate to when it is released, meaning Adobe would get data to work with less than 3 months prior to announcement.

I would love to see CR do a summary page of rumors (rumor title, specs, date) and if they turned out to be true or false - and if true, when.

That isn't how I recall the comment. It was more like 'Adobe, and others, are given the RAW file specs, and possibly samples, 6 months out', that is a completely different thing, there is no way on earth Canon are sending out complete cameras, or there specs, to all and sundry. Adobe and other key software companies need some kind of preempt from Canon to make the cameras attractive to early adopters, if those early adopters are forced to make too many concessions or wait too long to actually manipulate their files they won't buy the cameras.

However, even those pre release files will be subject to last minute changes, hence the delays we sometimes get for ACR updates even after a camera has been out for a while.

yes, that's exactly how it is likely to be - mods to the RAW spec, which I thought was similar to TIFF in the way it worked, and perhaps a sample or two - maybe not even a complete picture or maybe even a simulated RAW ie not from the camera itself - it doesnt have to be real, but the values have to be correct.

And yes, ACR always requires tweaks / testing after the camera has released with full firmware...

 

[gggplaya]

We haven’t played into it, because that sort of detailed information doesn’t come out 6 months before the release of camera, it never has and it never will.

We have someone on CR that has said Adobe get final model specs/samples to work with 6 months out.

If that's true (and it was a "see, I'm right, you're wrong" comment, making me think that they wouldn't normally say it) then most definitely 6 months prior to release, its specs are finalised.

6 months to do software testing (both camera firmware plus DPP suite), hardware testing, production line preparation, etc. Seems very reasonable to me.

Or are you referring to announcement? Because engineering might have a "public beta ready by" date that is when the announcement is made, which is different to "general availability/release" date. For example, with the 5Ds/R, the "6 month rule" (above re Adobe) might relate to when it is released, meaning Adobe would get data to work with less than 3 months prior to announcement.

I would love to see CR do a summary page of rumors (rumor title, specs, date) and if they turned out to be true or false - and if true, when.

That isn't how I recall the comment. It was more like 'Adobe, and others, are given the RAW file specs, and possibly samples, 6 months out', that is a completely different thing, there is no way on earth Canon are sending out complete cameras, or there specs, to all and sundry. Adobe and other key software companies need some kind of preempt from Canon to make the cameras attractive to early adopters, if those early adopters are forced to make too many concessions or wait too long to actually manipulate their files they won't buy the cameras.

However, even those pre release files will be subject to last minute changes, hence the delays we sometimes get for ACR updates even after a camera has been out for a while.

yes, that's exactly how it is likely to be - mods to the RAW spec, which I thought was similar to TIFF in the way it worked, and perhaps a sample or two - maybe not even a complete picture or maybe even a simulated RAW ie not from the camera itself - it doesnt have to be real, but the values have to be correct.

And yes, ACR always requires tweaks / testing after the camera has released with full firmware...

Correct, adobe does not need to know anything about the camera, and i doubt canon would give them that information. All adobe needs is a few sample images to work with to dial in default colors and exposure settings.