That's because Canon has given up. The A7R2 has such superior feature set that the existing plans for the 5Dmk4 have been scrapped.
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Where are the Rumors? EOS 5D Mark IV
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shutterlag said:
Very funny, but that 's not the feedback that's coming from many of the back to back tests between the A7RII and the 5Ds. If anything I'm getting a whiff of disappointment in the BIS Exmor R full frame sensor.
What is interesting is how good both the 7DII and 5Ds are, and that's with a very small pixel pitch. (Forget the DxO crap, I'm referring to people that actually use the cameras). Assuming that the 5DIV has larger pixels and lower density then the efficiency of this future thing could be amazing.
And if it has my idea of a interchangeable viewfinder - optical pentaprism or EVF,coupled with DPAF then it will be another 5DII moment that many have been asking for.
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With the launch of the Canon 5DS and 5DSr they dont need to rush the 5D MKIV. Not even certain that the 1DX MKII is a priority either given the numbers that are sold. The volume high end cameras are the 70D and the 6D or should be if your upselling so they should be the priority particularly the 6D that has a AF system stuck in the days of the 5D MKII. If correctly featured this could move up to narrow the present gap between the 6D and 5D MKIII in the pricing model and sit where Nikon positioned the D750.
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My insurance just covered the loss of my 5DIII (bought in August 2012) and the online pricing of my 16-35 F/2.8 USM II lens. It got stolen during an assault earlier this month. So, the 5DIV and the rumored faster Sigma 12-24 would make a perfect combo for me sometime by December 2016...Hoping for another 1/2 or a 3/4 of a stop of better high ISOs. ISO 12800ish 25k would be great. Along with a Sigma I'd be ready for the stars again 8)
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I finally got sick of the "let's wait until...." game and just bought a 7D2. There will always be something better down the pike. There are still people getting good service from 5 year old 7D originals, I have gotten good service from the less well built 60D for 5 years, here's hoping that the 7D2 lasts 5+ years of birding in crappy as well as good weather.
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NancyP said:
Let us know what your opinion of the 7DII's output at ISO 100 is compared with the 6D - perfect technique applied of course
I'm tempted by a 7DII myself.
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sdeutscher said:
I doubt that we will see a 70D II/80D until after both the 1D and 5D are released. I expect the next model will continue to be the top level hybrid (video/stills) enthusiast DSLR.
Add a headphone jack, give the video autofocus variable speed for smoother follow focus, give the stills side a slight improvement in autofocus. Sensor will be DPAF again. Number of megapixels is likely to be determined by whether or not it offers 4K. I expect it will because too many competitors are offering 4K. Megapixels will be scaled to match the needs of 4K. Maybe we will see a new STM lens at the same time.
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LonelyBoy said:
So you accept canon has some 'innovation' to do with sensors right? lol! I hope they do that. That's it.
Argue all you want, sensor is an absolute key part of a camera right? And you'd expect a leading camera manufacturer would get the key part of the camera right/better than others. Isn't that normal?! And as I said, innovate or perish. Time will tell if Canon did the right thing.
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CanonGuy said:
Well, I don't quite fully follow your argument. Canon isn't innovating in sensors. As an aside, remember they have the highest resolution FF sensor on the market. Or are you referring to low ISO DR again? See how it just keeps getting narrower and narrower and eventually zones in on that low ISO DR thing again. It's a fixation point for some. Remember that Canon, overall, has the best lenses, the best mount (EF), best speedlite system, best service, best AF system, highest resolution sensor, and most importantly, highest sales.
I guess when you look at it, they are certainly much better off than the completion, wouldn't you say? Or does low ISO DR trump all of that?
Canon produces a system that works. WORKS. No way in hell I'd ever show up to a sports event that I shoot with a Sony A7R II, because I want to keep my job. I don't really give a rats behind of its DR from ISO 100-400.
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bdunbar79 said:
I totally agree with you. Canon has the best lens, AF, highest MP sensor and highest sales. That's why I am a CPN member for last 4 years
I do not do sports or landscape photography. I only shoot weddings. And I believe they have quite a bit of work to do there. I do not want to mention low ISO DR. Rather I want to ask, is there room for improvement for canon for me and 1000 other wedding photographers? I think the answer is yes. if you think the answer is 'no', then that's absolutely fine. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. but, if canon also thinks that's a 'no', then we have company that's lagging in one area. That one may become two/three in next 2/3 years.Tech world moves very fast. look at blackberry, nokia, microsoft mobile and so on so on. they were great companies with billions in revenue. all went down in merely 2/3 years.
anyways, happy clicking.
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I agree with the low ISO DR. No one will argue that. If I had unlimited assets I may shoot landscapes in the summer and fall with a D810 and 14-24. Or maybe even interior/exterior photos.
But the other side is that I don't see the competition really doing anything at all to overtake the areas where Canon excels. Maybe some efforts are made here and there, but not to a very significant degree. D750 better overall than the 5D3? Yes I think so, but that doesn't address the overall superiority of Canon's AF system, as an example, or the flash system available to the 5D3 (for a price, yes of course). What is Nikon doing to make better supertele lenses, or f/1.2 lens that AF, or service, or speedlite system? What is Sony doing in those areas? Nothing. So you cannot compare Canon to short-lived companies that came and went.
But the other side is that I don't see the competition really doing anything at all to overtake the areas where Canon excels. Maybe some efforts are made here and there, but not to a very significant degree. D750 better overall than the 5D3? Yes I think so, but that doesn't address the overall superiority of Canon's AF system, as an example, or the flash system available to the 5D3 (for a price, yes of course). What is Nikon doing to make better supertele lenses, or f/1.2 lens that AF, or service, or speedlite system? What is Sony doing in those areas? Nothing. So you cannot compare Canon to short-lived companies that came and went.
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xps said:
Maybe something was lost in translation. The original 5D has better AF than the A7RII. The onyl way they might fear it is if they fear it's good enough to get the landscape, very basic AF type shooter to 100% swap over to get all the top 4k and stills IQ. But then they say they fear the top 4k and stills IQ not at all.... so yeah very bizarre. Makes no sense! If they think they need to update the 5D4 to get even better AF than planned, but need do nothing about the IQ for stills or video, then wow, Canon is lost beyond lost. But even I don't think they are THAT lost.
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Stu_bert said:
Might be nice for them to lead once again.
Anyway I'd imagine, it will be pretty astonishing. Think 6fps FF, 7-8 fps APS-C. Nice RAW buffer for the APS-C mode. I'd think they'd port over the oversampled, top 4k video. The stills, they tend to get even more out of it than Sony does. It will be interesting to see if they tweak it for ISO64 and add another 1/2 stop of DR over the A7RII at the low end at the cost of 1/2 stop at high end (even so it would still be, other than A7RII, pretty much class leading high ISO DR). Some pretty solid AF. Lots of little things in the specs NOT left out.
OTOH it won't have the nice Canon UI and even worse it won't have EF mount. But man it might be enough to say heck with the EF mount as superior and totally awesome as it is. A choice between one brand that does it all, but won't take EF. Or having to get two bodies, a Sony to add to some older Canon body for the stuff the Sony can't do but get to use EF on everything.
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