D5 Has CRAPPY Low ISO DR!!!

[Yiannis A - Greece]

Dear friends,

According to DPReview lab tests, it seems that Nikon decided to bring out a $6,500 "pro monster" with a low ISO dynamic range that's much worse than that of $1,996 D750 and even worse; $747 (!!!) D5500 sensor, kills the one of the new "king" of Nikon FF!!!

I think that 1Dx Mk2, not only is going to blow the Nikon crap out of the water, it's going to eat it alive!

Here is the link to the "Nikon vs Nikon" comparison:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/9402203921/nikon-d5-shows-drop-in-dynamic-range

Be strong, enjoy your lives and those you love.
Best wishes

Yiannis.

 

[IglooEater]

Thanks! It's gonna be very funny to watch dpreview and dxomark back-peddling on the way they've tried to bash canon for the last few years.
Such as: "Either way, in our opinion, we'd try not to over-stress the importance of the fact that the D5 has poorer base ISO dynamic range than its current peers." Funny, that's not what they've been saying about any canon release.
Dxo will just keep up it's weighted results and should have no difficulty causing the D5 to outscore the 1DX II even if every single metric is inferior in the D5.
I see a lot of fun times coming down the pipe

 

[IglooEater]

I also think it's interesting to note that Nikon sees right through the foolishness of overemphasizing low-Iso dr, and seems smart enough to work on high-iso dynamic range. Frankly, this would motivate me much more to switch to Nikon if anything would.

Nikon releasing an iso-varient sensor might serve to calm the idiotic worshipping of iso-invariance, who knows.

 

[Loswr]

According to DPReview lab tests, it seems that Nikon decided to bring out a $6,500 "pro monster" with a low ISO dynamic range that's much worse than that of $1,996 D750 and even worse; $747 (!!!) D5500 sensor, kills the one of the new "king" of Nikon FF!!!

I think that 1Dx Mk2, not only is going to blow the Nikon crap out of the water, it's going to eat it alive!

Don't worry, DPR promises to test AF performance next, and you can bet their bottom dollar they will find that the D5 is better than everything on the market, especially if they don't bother reviewing the 1D X II just like they didn't bother reviewing the 1D X.

 

[ritholtz]

According to DPReview lab tests, it seems that Nikon decided to bring out a $6,500 "pro monster" with a low ISO dynamic range that's much worse than that of $1,996 D750 and even worse; $747 (!!!) D5500 sensor, kills the one of the new "king" of Nikon FF!!!

I think that 1Dx Mk2, not only is going to blow the Nikon crap out of the water, it's going to eat it alive!

Don't worry, DPR promises to test AF performance next, and you can bet their bottom dollar they will find that the D5 is better than everything on the market, especially if they don't bother reviewing the 1D X II just like they didn't bother reviewing the 1D X.

Yah. Automatic eye detection and tracking in portrait photography. Anyone remember their articles when D5 and 1dx2 release? They marketed D5 like next generation Nikon stuff and reported 1dx2 as just evolution considering no improvements in sensor mentioned. it is going to be exactly opposite. ;D D5 seems to be little better than 1DX and D4s in very high iso. These cameras are available for past 4 years in the market.

 

[zim]

Why not mention the 5dsr or 80d comparisons that are clearly better or heavens forbid compare like for like i.e. a 1DX (I assume they don't have a 1DX2 yet). How old is the 6D?

The 'A Quick Note' takes the biscuit though good to know that there is more to a camera than a sensor ;D ;D ;D
But don't panic watch this space.... lets switch the game to High ISO and AF to come, and you know exactly what is going to come. DPR has become very transparent.

 

[ritholtz]

Why not mention the 5dsr or 80d comparisons that are clearly better or heavens forbid compare like for like i.e. a 1DX (I assume they don't have a 1DX2 yet). How old is the 6D?

The 'A Quick Note' takes the biscuit though good to know that there is more to a camera than a sensor ;D ;D ;D
But don't panic watch this space.... lets switch the game to High ISO and AF to come, and you know exactly what is going to come. DPR has become very transparent.

Quick note talks like as if we are going to get a free d810 with D5 purchase. 5DSR has better low ISO DR and matches with 6d and 1dx in high iso dr upto 12800 in Bill claff PDR chart.

 

[zim]

Actually the best bits in the whole 'article' is actually the comments from out old friend Mikael Risedal :

Silly DPR bias aside though I have to admit that 3 stop push result is very surprising I wonder if that was a pre-production unit or something went wrong with the test it just doesn't seem correct to me.

 

[Sporgon]

Vindication for those of use that have argued all along that 'DR' differences on 14 bit data ( or even 12 for that matter) is just irrelevant to most people, and just comes down to who can make the most ridiculous shadow lifts. Not something that's going to interest (most) owners of a D5. Of course it's great for people like DPR because they can lift the shadows 6 stops and point out that there is in fact a difference between the sensors.

I had an exmor sensored camera that had a purported 14.5 stops of 'DR', and found it just academic in comparison to the 5DII and 6D.

Also I think that the shadow lifting craze is tied in with images only ever being viewed on a computer screen. Try printing them and it is a very different (sorry) story.

I have to now go and read those Mikael Risdal comments ........ ;D

 

[tr573]

I have to now go and read those Mikael Risdal comments ........ ;D

They are truly glorious.

He actually tried to say that it would be technically too difficult for Nikon to have this fast a readout for 14FPS with on-chip ADC.

 

[Deleted member 91053]

According to DPReview lab tests, it seems that Nikon decided to bring out a $6,500 "pro monster" with a low ISO dynamic range that's much worse than that of $1,996 D750 and even worse; $747 (!!!) D5500 sensor, kills the one of the new "king" of Nikon FF!!!

I think that 1Dx Mk2, not only is going to blow the Nikon crap out of the water, it's going to eat it alive!

Don't worry, DPR promises to test AF performance next, and you can bet their bottom dollar they will find that the D5 is better than everything on the market, especially if they don't bother reviewing the 1D X II just like they didn't bother reviewing the 1D X.

I am sure they will say the AF is better than the 1DX2 - well from my initial playing it isn't. I am not sure it is as good as my 1DX Mk1. I certainly I don't think it will be on the SuperTeles as whilst I found the latest Nikon 500 and 600mm to be better than their predecessors they behind the Canon Mk2 equivalents.
Better - yes, best no.

 

[jdavis37]

I don't get too caught up in forum battles or hype but I do have an eye for bias when it exists. In the DPR article they have already shown the bias clearly:

"For its intended audience, the D5's high ISO imaging capabilities, advanced autofocus and durability are likely to be much more important."

So now the Exmo gets a pass because of the same logic Canon shooters had for years.

Now that said I do have some nagging concerns that Canon's higher ISO's (ISO1600 through 25,600) may suffer a bit due to their newfound low DR focus, something I truly care little about (the DR.. I would love to have signficantly cleaner ISO1600- 12800 for my bird feather fetish).

But the bias is there and DPR can say what they want at this point but for years they have preached low ISO DR and suddenly it becomes less important. While I agree with their statement, it does represent a full circle on their part. We'll see how well the high ISO comes out. The early shots thus far published do not see remarkably better than the D4S.

Vindication for those of use that have argued all along that 'DR' differences on 14 bit data ( or even 12 for that matter) is just irrelevant to most people,

Except that "most people" won't buy a D5, "most people" that buy a DSLR will buy a cheaper model...

and just comes down to who can make the most ridiculous shadow lifts. Not something that's going to interest (most) owners of a D5. Of course it's great for people like DPR because they can lift the shadows 6 stops and point out that there is in fact a difference between the sensors.
...

The people that will own a D5 are mostly a different group than will own a D610 or D750 or D810.

It is interesting that this development makes the Nikon sensor more like Canon whereas the sensor in the 1DX2 makes Canon more like Nikon. Swapping roles.

 

[Perio]

Honestly, I don't share the OP's joy regarding the D5 camera. Why does it matter how good/bad it is? Pick up 1dxii (at least that's my plan) and enjoy it. Let Nikon users deal with their cameras themselves.

 

[Woody]

I just saw DPReview test results of D5 at ISO 3,280,000 and it looks like total junk to me. In fact, its high ISO performance is not that much better than D4s or 1DX, so I do not know what all the fuss is about.

After DPReview decided to work with DXOMark in their reviews, their review standards have been dropping.

 

[Besisika]

Honestly, I don't share the OP's joy regarding the D5 camera. Why does it matter how good/bad it is? Pick up 1dxii (at least that's my plan) and enjoy it. Let Nikon users deal with their cameras themselves.

Agreed, it should not be a joy.
If needed, it should be the opposite. If they stop the competition in the low light direction we will be stuck at this level for a long time.
Besides, something doesn't feel right.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

New camera models are now being aimed more directly at specific markets. The D5 is aimed at PJ's who value the ability to capture a image in difficult lighting. Low light sensitivity is probably a trade for low ISO DR that is of limited value to the target market.

Reviewers tend to review products for features they want, rather than for the features the target users need.

Someone using the extreme high ISO is not likely a person planning to blow up the image to 20 X 30, it will be used for a news report and be a photo that others could not get. I'd happily trade low ISO DR for low light sensitivity. The D5 low light DR is not bad, its merely less than cameras intended for amateurs who underexpose by 5 stops

 

[KeithBreazeal]

What's really interesting is pitting against the 5DS/R. Even at -6EV the Canon seems better.

 

[Yiannis A - Greece]

According to DPReview lab tests, it seems that Nikon decided to bring out a $6,500 "pro monster" with a low ISO dynamic range that's much worse than that of $1,996 D750 and even worse; $747 (!!!) D5500 sensor, kills the one of the new "king" of Nikon FF!!!

I think that 1Dx Mk2, not only is going to blow the Nikon crap out of the water, it's going to eat it alive!

Don't worry, DPR promises to test AF performance next, and you can bet their bottom dollar they will find that the D5 is better than everything on the market, especially if they don't bother reviewing the 1D X II just like they didn't bother reviewing the 1D X.

+1 Neuro!
To be honest, i bet "all in" that, even if Nikon has nowhere to hide after a straight and unbiased comparison between 1Dx Mk2 vs D5 that will let Nikon look dwarfed by Canon's superiority, DPR and DXO Mark will be there to give 99 points to D5 vs only 80+ to 1Dx2 due to Nikon's undoubtful supremacy; based on what criterion??? Grip color, D5 logo font type??? Only "they" know...

Be happy, healthy and strong; enjoy every single moment with your most beloved ones! Have a nice evening.

Yiannis, Athens, Greece.

 

[Yiannis A - Greece]

What's really interesting is pitting against the 5DS/R. Even at -6EV the Canon seems better.

Dear Keith,
i believe you mean "+6EV". On my calibrated EIZO monitor, 5DS R is easily 1/2 stop better at +6EV and 1+ Stop better at +3EV! Now, lets put into equation that Canon is 50+ Megapixels and Nikon only 21!!! A lot of fun ahead when the real duels start between the "evolutionary modest" 1Dx Mk2 and the 3+ million ISO/3min 4k/ $6.5K brick from Nikon!!!

All my best wishes.
Yiannis.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

What's really interesting is pitting against the 5DS/R. Even at -6EV the Canon seems better.

Dear Keith,
i believe you mean "+6EV". On my calibrated EIZO monitor, 5DS R is easily 1/2 stop better at +6EV and 1+ Stop better at +3EV! Now, lets put into equation that Canon is 50+ Megapixels and Nikon only 21!!! A lot of fun ahead when the real duels start between the "evolutionary modest" 1Dx Mk2 and the 3+ million ISO/3min 4k/ $6.5K brick from Nikon!!!

All my best wishes.
Yiannis.

Yes, thanks. I have been surprised how well my 5DS looks for shadow noise, so couldn't resist the comparison. Even the colors look better.