Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

<p>We’ve been told a couple of times that the EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R would be updated quicker than other recent Canon full frame DSLRs, which have seen product cycles of 4 years or more. According to an internal Canon product roadmap, there’s a possibility of an EOS 5DS/R/ Mark II coming before the close of 2017 and that there will only be one body to replaces both the 5DS and 5DS R.</p>
<p>According to the viewed roadmap slide, the EOS 5DS/R/ replacement will get a new sensor, though resolution wasn’t mentioned. We can also assume it will have nearly the same ergonomics and features as the EOS 5D Mark IV.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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[Loswr]

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Canon's roadmap sounds a lot like Nikon D800/800E -> D810.

But it makes sense that the sensor improvements in recent released would be incorporated into the high resolution FF camera.

 

[LordofTackle]

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Very interesting! This might make a very good combo together with the 1DXII.

I wonder if they will even more increase the MP count? (with the rumored A9 having rumored 70 MP)
And also if it will be released with or w/o the low-pass filter. My guess would be w/o (my personal impression from following the threads on CR is that more people opted for the 5DS R).

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

120MP here we come.

 

[Maximilian]

Re: Updates to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

... makes sense that the sensor improvements in recent released would be incorporated...

+1

Will be interesting to see the final spec, esp. in comparison to the 5D4.

I'd expect a single camera without AA filter and minor to no increase in MP but the improvements in Sensor tech.

 

[KT]

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I was thinking 2017 would only bring us the 6D and 7D mark II replacements and maybe the usual Rebel toys, but I guess concern over the Sony A9 / Nikon D810 replacements was paramount in Canon's boardroom. Probably same AF from 5D Mark IV minus the dual pixel stuff plus low-light sensor improvement

 

[Mancubus]

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One more good reason for me to wait and not buy a 5d4 now. I absolutely hate the AA filter and would be very nice to have a 5dsr2 with touch screen and a decent DR and shadow recovery.

 

[j-nord]

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I was thinking 2017 would only bring us the 6D and 7D mark II replacements...

i don't think there has been any indication of a 7DII in 2017

 

[j-nord]

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The speedy 5DSR update is good to see! However, if they do put out 100-120mpix, this will truly be a specialty camera. I also suspect this will be the "4D" series since we heard about a new number series in the FF line up a while back.

 

[Alex_M]

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I am excited about this news. Definitive entry to my Christmas 2017 shopping list if true.

Canon will likely keep the camera AA free as 5dsr outsell 5ds by large amount.
I expect the resolution to be potentially increased to 2x that of 5D mark IV. To about 60Mp or 2.56x that of 80D.
I Woud also expect low ISO (base ISO) peformance of the camera to be similar to 80D low ISO performance due to similar pixel density and readout noise levels of their sensors. Same probably true for the hight ISO performance.
I would personally be happy with 50mp sensor but improved high ISO performance instead.

 

[unfocused]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

I would expect:
New sensor improvements reflecting the latest generation;
Some increase (70-80 mp);
No anti-aliasing filter;
DPAF;
Possibly, but not definitely, 4K;
Touchscreen;
WiFi-GPS-NFC;
5 fps.

This does make me wonder what Canon has planned for the out years.

If they follow the pattern of using essentially the same sensor in the 5Ds and the 7D, a 72 mp 5Ds would mean a 28 mp 7DIII, which seems reasonable. A 5Ds at the end of 2017, could be followed by a 7DIII in the first quarter of 2018, but then what?

I suppose we could see a 90D and an SL2 in there somewhere, but then it could be a long, dry spell for Canon Rumors before a major new model.

 

[Jopa]

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If they allowed pre-orders now, I would do it in the blink of an eye. The original 5dsr is such a great camera, and the improvements I see in the 1dx2 would make it even better, closer to perfection.

 

[ahsanford]

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This rumor would imply that Canon would leave it's super-planned-out refresh cycle in favor of accelerating the 5DS line.

Why this wouldn't make sense:

• Canon is a notorious creature of habit. This would be out of character for them (but I suppose it's possible.)
• Canon would not squeeze the most profit out of the original 5DS rigs -- they typically sell the better rigs for 4-5 years.
• They still -- some 13 months after release -- are leading the FF market in resolution, and they do not appear to be pressured to increase it further from the competition

Why it might make sense:

• It would bring the 5DS line in close timing to the 5D4 line, so that future refreshes of each line would happen fairly closely in time to each other. This would be a wise move to eliminate 'feature set envy' between the 5D and 5DS camps: both camps would get the same tech/features around the same time.
• Given their close timing of future releases, they could more likely share some 5D/5DS accessories -- grips, batteries, focusing screens [cough], etc.

So the question is: are the upsides of a one-time acceleration of the 5DS line to 'catch up' to the 5D line worth the pain of not maximizing profits on this first version of the 5DS rigs that are out today?

- A

 

[arthurbikemad]

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Very interesting! This might make a very good combo together with the 1DXII.

Agree, I have been holding off 5D4 to upgrade my 5D3 that sits along side my 1DX2, this could be me, I keep tossing up 5DSr or 5D4, but a new 5DSr, thats me I think!

 

[ahsanford]

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So the question is: are the upsides of a one-time acceleration of the 5DS line to 'catch up' to the 5D line worth the pain of not maximizing profits on this first version of the 5DS rigs that are out today?

- A

As a PS to my last post: my pros/cons above would not apply if the 5DS was not 'like branded' with 5D in the name. By calling it a 5DS at launch, Canon has given a similar 'level of esteem' to the 5DS as the 5D brand, which fuels a fair amount of feature envy between those lines. When one gets an update, the other gets miffed that it doesn't get access to that hot new feature.

But if they had called the 5DS line something altogether different (4D, something new, something else, etc.) it would have established the 5DS as something 'different' than the 5D line and I think the two brand lines could then co-exist on completely different refresh schedules.

- A

 

[jebrady03]

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I would personally be happy with 50mp sensor but improved high ISO performance instead.

Why? Are you printing individual pixels from a photograph?

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

So many questions on what a 5DS2 (or whatever it might be called) might offer:

• Will it get 4K?
• Will it get a higher fps burst rate?
• Will it get the 1DX2/5D4 AF setup?
• Will the DP RAW feature be offered? (Those files would be hilariously big)

I am curious to see what makes it into this new rig besides the 'obvious' stuff we expect it to get that the 5D4 just got (DPAF, touchscreen, -3 EV AF through the viewfinder, etc.)

- A

 

[mmeerdam]

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Canon is very smart. very very smart.
I've been contemplating going nikon after the 5d4 release but i will probably not.
Because in 1 year i will want canon everything. why?
My predictions are:

end 2016: sony releases an a9: 42-60 mp, maybe possibly 70
feb 2017: nikon announces a d820/d850/d900: 42 -60mp, it will have flip screen but will it have serious live view af?
Canon can now determine final specs of their upcoming releases for marketing purposes. Most development is already done or in it's final phase.
aug 2017: Canon announces a 5dsr mark II: 5div specced with around 60mp sensor new adc style, deaf. (No serious video stuff here)
sept 2017: canon announces m6: m5 like 30mp full frame mirrorless. 5d4 sensor with (dual) digic 7(+) for focus speed. And extended 4k compression options.

there's you flip screen ;-)

yeah they will trail sony sensors in DR by a half stop to a stop but it facilitates the dual pixel af capability and therefore will all be sensors developed for mirrorless camera's as wel as dslr's.

Canon will have a whole system lined up capable of using EF and EF-m lenses, it is a huge huge advantage over other systems.
I can have a 5d4 and m5/m6 for travel and backup and use all my lenses.
Or a 5dsrii and 5d4 for low light and m5 for casual use and bakcup and use all my lenses.

My girlfriend can use all my lenses on her vlog cam: 80d / m5

This total system social is a godsend for media pro's. The whole team will be able to use the same lenses
from vlog cam to pro stills cam to pro video cam. And all will be wifi and gps enabled to posting will be seamless.

The current 5d4 is just a bridge release in a real full system wide attack on both sony and Nikon.
I'm getting excited as hell to be honest.

 

[LordofTackle]

Re: Updates to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

Very interesting! This might make a very good combo together with the 1DXII.

Agree, I have been holding off 5D4 to upgrade my 5D3 that sits along side my 1DX2, this could be me, I keep tossing up 5DSr or 5D4, but a new 5DSr, thats me I think!

Me too!
When the 5D4 was announced, I was kind of disappointed. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great camera, but as a second body to my 1DXII the 5DS R still makes more sense to me (for my purposes). Therefore a soon refresh of the 5DS line would be highly welcome.

 

[retroreflection]

Re: Update to EOS 5DS & 5DS R Coming in 2017? [CR1]

Why so soon?
They might want a single 5D chassis for manufacturing efficiency.

If so, tilty screen would be less likely. CF may remain, ...

Would that mean a minimal effort (or cost) upgrade, or would the 50 MP sensor be retired with minimal payback on its development cost? Seems hard to justify a big boost in specs. Might be a loss leading resolution king, though.