Canon EOS 6D Mark II Not Coming Until Spring? [CR2]

[Canon Rumors]

We’re told that the release of the Canon EOS 6D Mark II will not happen until the spring of 2017 at the earliest. We had previously been told to expect an announcement some time in Q1 of 2017.</p>
<p>The same source says the new camera will have some new technology in it, have a 25mp sensor, dual SD card slots, a slightly  smaller form factor and a reduction in weight.</p>
<p>This feels like it’s possible, as we haven’t heard anything we’d call definitive yet. We don’t expect an abundance of information to come about until the new year.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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[unfocused]

Stop the presses, a new release will get some new technology! That's about as safe of a prediction as possible.

On the other hand, it will be sufficient to generate 20+ pages of comments.

Here is my equally safe prediction. Expectations will soar among some forum members, who will then be deeply disappointed that the new technology isn't exactly what they dream up and will then insist that Canon is doomed because the company didn't build a camera to their exact hopes and dreams.

 

[ahsanford]

<p>We’re told that the release of the Canon EOS 6D Mark II will not happen until the spring of 2017 at the earliest. We had previously been told to expect an announcement some time in Q1 of 2017.</p>
<p>The same source says the new camera will have some new technology in it, have a 25mp sensor, dual SD card slots, a slightly smaller form factor and a reduction in weight.</p>
<p>This feels like it’s possible, as we haven’t heard anything we’d call definitive yet. We don’t expect an abundance of information to come about until the new year.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
<span id="pty_trigger"></span>

Not surprising. Canon seems to favor a 3-6 month window in which the higher trimline product (in this case, the 5D4) completes its global rollout before the cheaper alternative is announced. Canon does not want a single person on the fence about a 5D4 for any reason getting a 6D2 instead.

So this makes perfect sense. Complete the 5D4 rollout, and then a tilty-flippy 6D2 swoops in to collect the rest of the FF buyers in this 4 year cycle.

...with a new non-L 50 prime to go with it, one might hope. :

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Stop the presses, a new release will get some new technology! That's about as safe of a prediction as possible.

On the other hand, it will be sufficient to generate 20+ pages of comments.

Here is my equally safe prediction. Expectations will soar among some forum members, who will then be deeply disappointed that the new technology isn't exactly what they dream up and will then insist that Canon is doomed because the company didn't build a camera to their exact hopes and dreams.

I'm much more curious how they will nerf this rig to protect 5D4 and 5DS sales:

Stick with the 1/4000 max shutter speed?
No DPAF?
No (horrifically cropped) 4K?
Only a modest AF boost over the 6D1?
Only 5 fps?
Still only one card slot?
Stick with that 1/180 flash sync?

Time will tell.

- A

 

[scrup]

Canon waiting for Sony to shows its hand on the A7III and then it will finalize specs.

 

[crazyrunner33]

Canon waiting for Sony to shows its hand on the A7III and then it will finalize specs.

Canon knows better than to compete against Sony in specs, Sony is a technology company that isn't afraid to take a chance and put out a product that may still need some refinement. The A6300's fast 8 month lifecycle is a perfect example, the A6500 is basically a fixed A6300.

 

[Mikehit]

Canon waiting for Sony to shows its hand on the A7III and then it will finalize specs.

Canon knows better than to compete against Sony in specs, Sony is a technology company that isn't afraid to take a chance and put out a product that may still need some refinement. The A6300's fast 8 month lifecycle is a perfect example, the A6500 is basically a fixed A6300.

Should they buy the 6500 or wait another 12 months for the 6700 which fixes the bad things in the 6500?
And the doom-mongers say Canon don't know how to run a technology release program. Sony's approach would really hack me off.

 

[nightscape123]

Canon waiting for Sony to shows its hand on the A7III and then it will finalize specs.

Canon knows better than to compete against Sony in specs, Sony is a technology company that isn't afraid to take a chance and put out a product that may still need some refinement. The A6300's fast 8 month lifecycle is a perfect example, the A6500 is basically a fixed A6300.

Should they buy the 6500 or wait another 12 months for the 6700 which fixes the bad things in the 6500?
And the doom-mongers say Canon don't know how to run a technology release program. Sony's approach would really hack me off.

How is that different than canon's approach of releasing a product then waiting 4 years to fix its problems? People with the 5DIII have to deal with terrible banding noise and lower dynamic range even though it was fixed in the 6D which came out only like a year later. Technology always improves and the next version always fixes things from the previous version. It just goes a lot faster if you are releasing products every 1 year instead of every 4. Both companies cameras are capable of taking great pictures.

 

[davidcl0nel]

Late March is Spring and the same as Q1/2017 in marketing speech, so what is this article really about?

Or when was the last time, any product should be available on Q1, and it was really available before march or even first week in January?

 

[Don Haines]

Canon waiting for Sony to shows its hand on the A7III and then it will finalize specs.

ummmmm....... you do realize that the 6DII project started before the 6D was released? And that the hardware design is "cast in stone" about a year (or more) before the product gets released?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Canon waiting for Sony to shows its hand on the A7III and then it will finalize specs.

ummmmm....... you do realize that the 6DII project started before the 6D was released? And that the hardware design is "cast in stone" about a year (or more) before the product gets released?

The or More part is most likely, but tweaks to the software will be going on right up to release date. The sensor is the big lead time item.

I am pretty certain that the camera is already in production, and final assembly will start in January for a April or May release. It takes at least 12 months of production before release. Some of the parts require long lead time tooling, and design drawings must be finished before parts can be tooled. Typical production rates might be 20,000 a month for something like this, and they want at least 100,000 units ready to ship, more likely 130,000-150,000.

 

[rrcphoto]

Canon waiting for Sony to shows its hand on the A7III and then it will finalize specs.

yes, because Canon has a time machine that can go back years to re-do specs and manufacturing and procurement.

 

[bokehmon22]

I'm fine with waiting for 6D II with dual card slot. It might be perfect for wedding photography. Hopefully it offer more enticing upgrade than 6D to 5D IV.

It just need -4EV, 19 xtype, better ISO and dynamic range than 5D IV.

Video features 4K are nice but not neccesary. Just give us better 1080p codec.

 

[ahsanford]

How is that different than canon's approach of releasing a product then waiting 4 years to fix its problems? People with the 5DIII have to deal with terrible banding noise and lower dynamic range even though it was fixed in the 6D which came out only like a year later. Technology always improves and the next version always fixes things from the previous version. It just goes a lot faster if you are releasing products every 1 year instead of every 4. Both companies cameras are capable of taking great pictures.

What you call a 'problem', 90% of people simply describe as 'the sensor'.

Canon puts out FF rigs in a roughly 4 year cycles. That lower trimline 6D may have outperformed the 5D3 in some way, but it's a different product for different customers. But in your chain of logic where the 6D 'solved' a 5D3 'problem', were you not similarly butt-hurt that the AF got immeasurably worse with the 6D?

And there's a big difference with the Sony gear -- it overpromises and underdelivers:

• Love 4K? We technically do that but it might overheat.
• Love a crazy high burst rate? Our has that, but only if your AF is fixed after the first exposure.
• Love pro lenses? We have those now, but we hope you like focus by wire $2,000+ lenses.
• Love amazing sensors? We have those, but you have to use our knuckleheaded controls and menus.

Canon, in contrast, tells you what you'll get and then gives it to you. No, their sensors aren't best in class, but virtually everything else (service, handling, reliability, AF, lenses, flashes, etc.) is. That's good enough for me.

- A

 

[MintChocs]

For canon users in the uk March is a bad time. It's supposedly when Brexit will formally be announced which is likely to cause a further fall in the pound. Chances are the 6Dmkii will launch at a very high price. :-\

 

[transpo1]

<p>We’re told that the release of the Canon EOS 6D Mark II will not happen until the spring of 2017 at the earliest. We had previously been told to expect an announcement some time in Q1 of 2017.</p>
<p>The same source says the new camera will have some new technology in it, have a 25mp sensor, dual SD card slots, a slightly smaller form factor and a reduction in weight.</p>
<p>This feels like it’s possible, as we haven’t heard anything we’d call definitive yet. We don’t expect an abundance of information to come about until the new year.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
<span id="pty_trigger"></span>

Not surprising. Canon seems to favor a 3-6 month window in which the higher trimline product (in this case, the 5D4) completes its global rollout before the cheaper alternative is announced. Canon does not want a single person on the fence about a 5D4 for any reason getting a 6D2 instead.

So this makes perfect sense. Complete the 5D4 rollout, and then a tilty-flippy 6D2 swoops in to collect the rest of the FF buyers in this 4 year cycle.

...with a new non-L 50 prime to go with it, one might hope. :

- A

If they want to collect the rest of the FF buyers, they should give them useable 4K in FF or 1.3 crop...in addition to a tilty-flippy

 

[jeffa4444]

The 6D MK1 came six months after the 5D MKIII. If Canon are working to a similar time scale then the 6D MKII would arrive in March 2017. That makes sense in terms of it coming ahead of spring and the 2017 summer holiday season.
Who knows what Canon have planned but it would be logical to create a full-frame version of the 80D specification which would pitch the camera squarely at the Nikon 750D section of the market and thus a price hike. Whether then Canon create an entry level full-frame rebel type camera is anyone's guess but I think there is room for both without damaging 5D MKIV sales.

 

[Mikehit]

So if they create '80D with full frame' what do you see as the differentiator between that and the 5DIV?

 

[dak723]

Hope the info so far is true. Would not be interested if they raise the MPs above 25 or so. Hoping for smaller and lighter. That is all I would need.

 

[9VIII]

So if they create '80D with full frame' what do you see as the differentiator between that and the 5DIV?

AF sensor, buffer depth, size, materials, resolution, and MSRP on the 6D2 will probably be around $2500, so it'll be more of a "5D lite" than the current model that's more budget oriented.
They're going to have to release a Full Frame Rebel eventually, and a high price on the 6D2 would be a good indicator of that.