Canon EOS 6D Mark II Not Coming Until Spring? [CR2]

[Mikehit]

So if they create '80D with full frame' what do you see as the differentiator between that and the 5DIV?

AF sensor, buffer depth, size, materials, resolution, and MSRP on the 6D2 will probably be around $2500, so it'll be more of a "5D lite" than the current model that's more budget oriented.
They're going to have to release a Full Frame Rebel eventually, and a high price on the 6D2 would be a good indicator of that.

The 80D AF is almost on a par with the 7D2 and not much behind the 5D3/5D4, resolution will be 24MP vs 30MP (little difference really) with arguably a better sensor that will offset any difference that is there, buffer depth is rather 'meh' for most photographers. And at $1,000 less than the 5DIV what you are almost creating is one camera at 2 price points. I would find that strategy hard to understand especially if, as you suggest they also create a Rebel with FF sensor (which is really where the 6D came in). It really doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[9VIII]

So if they create '80D with full frame' what do you see as the differentiator between that and the 5DIV?

AF sensor, buffer depth, size, materials, resolution, and MSRP on the 6D2 will probably be around $2500, so it'll be more of a "5D lite" than the current model that's more budget oriented.
They're going to have to release a Full Frame Rebel eventually, and a high price on the 6D2 would be a good indicator of that.

The 80D AF is almost on a par with the 7D2 and not much behind the 5D3/5D4, resolution will be 24MP vs 30MP (little difference really) with arguably a better sensor that will offset any difference that is there, buffer depth is rather 'meh' for most photographers. And at $1,000 less than the 5DIV what you are almost creating is one camera at 2 price points. I would find that strategy hard to understand especially if, as you suggest they also create a Rebel with FF sensor (which is really where the 6D came in). It really doesn't make much sense to me.

50% less AF points is enough for marketing.
6MP less is enough for marketing.
As long as Canon can make a similar amount of money off of either camera then the details are all semantics.

 

[Maiaibing]

50% less AF points is enough for marketing.
6MP less is enough for marketing.
As long as Canon can make a similar amount of money off of either camera then the details are all semantics.

Just give me another sensor upgrade from the 5DIV and I'll even take it with the "old" package. 4.5 fps and great center AF point goes very far. Have no issue with the 6D AF myself - not the best but easily good enough for most everything.

 

[Orangutan]

So if they create '80D with full frame' what do you see as the differentiator between that and the 5DIV?

AF sensor, buffer depth, size, materials, resolution, and MSRP on the 6D2 will probably be around $2500, so it'll be more of a "5D lite" than the current model that's more budget oriented.
They're going to have to release a Full Frame Rebel eventually, and a high price on the 6D2 would be a good indicator of that.

The 80D AF is almost on a par with the 7D2 and not much behind the 5D3/5D4, resolution will be 24MP vs 30MP (little difference really) with arguably a better sensor that will offset any difference that is there, buffer depth is rather 'meh' for most photographers. And at $1,000 less than the 5DIV what you are almost creating is one camera at 2 price points. I would find that strategy hard to understand especially if, as you suggest they also create a Rebel with FF sensor (which is really where the 6D came in). It really doesn't make much sense to me.

If they use the 70D AF it'll be good enough for me, depending on the price. It's hard to know how they're positioning the 6D-series: is it the gateway to FF, and the enticement to buy more glass, or is it the budget backup for your higher-priced body? Maybe some of both.

 

[Luds34]

Hope the info so far is true. Would not be interested if they raise the MPs above 25 or so. Hoping for smaller and lighter. That is all I would need.

I'm with you on the megapixels. I've been feeling ~24 is a nice sweet spot and hope they stay in that range. The current 6D isn't really all that heavy or terribly large and balances pretty well with fast glass. If it shrinks too much I wonder if that will still be the case...?

The dual card slots I find interesting. Starting to push this camera towards pros???

 

[Aaron D]

OK I for one would really like this 6D as described - especially if it has the newer wide-dynamic range sensor technology. I'll be getting the IV for my tripod-mounted work and keep the "old" III as a carry-around camera - L-bracket will be retired. But this thing would be better in every respect than the III for a second unit - smaller, lighter, DR and it would have two cards! What's not to love? And I personally don't need speed or video, so those things are wasted on me...

A

 

[Chaitanya]

Dual SD card slots will be certainly useful. Considering that 80D was first canon camera to implement full uhs-i slot, I dont expect dumbass Canon to implement uhs-ii spec sd slot for another 5-6 years untill when the Sd would be obsolete and new competing card format will be made available and in use in competition.

 

[canonographer]

I'd like to see some streamlined styling changes without sacrificing ergonomics. What would make me buy it though is info through the viewfinder. Peaking, Zebras, etc.

I don't get why Canon refuses to implement what we can get from Magic Lantern, at least some of the features.

 

[Ozarker]

Canon waiting for Sony to shows its hand on the A7III and then it will finalize specs.

Canon knows better than to compete against Sony in specs, Sony is a technology company that isn't afraid to take a chance and put out a product that may still need some refinement. The A6300's fast 8 month lifecycle is a perfect example, the A6500 is basically a fixed A6300.

Yes. Just gotta love a company with fast life cycles for its products just to fix what it shouldn't have released with the things that needed fixing in the first place. A6300 owners must have been thrilled.

Sony is the bomb! Great lenses too. Very technologically advanced. :

Metabones loves Sony too.

 

[whothafunk]

The 80D AF is almost on a par with the 7D2

sure, if your only manner of comparing AF is by counting the AF points. other than that, it's not even close.

 

[mb66energy]

If the 6D has a 25 MPix DPAF sensor, a tiltable screen + higher DR/less noise + non-crippled HD video + very short shutter lag ... at 2k EUR/$ possibly a good alternative to the 5D iv (4k EUR in germany) for "slow photogs" like me!
I do not need high framerates but very good IQ at moderate pixel counts (well complementing my available lenses) and a good responsiveness would help to hit the right moment.

 

[Sabaki]

6D mark ii....

Give me more AF points. Sucks shooting people with only 11 AF points

Increase the flash sync speed to 1/200th

Similar button layout to the 7D2

New style viewfinder

Better, more fluent bulb mode

Then I'll consider getting one

 

[Josh Denver]

if it's named 6dii canon will be obligated to implement the top requested features the current 6d lacks. If I know correctly it's AF system and single card slot and speed. These three will be addressed without a question. The question is how many more requests will they fullfil that are below these three (in obviousness/request numbers). I am sure requests for an articulating LCD were submitted since shooters saw it on 60Ds/70Ds and thought it would be logical to have in the non-tank FF Canon. If they do these, along with all the little new Canon refinements, (anti flicker, viewfinder, af button, touchscreen, new wifi/gps, new menus, new metering, etc) they have a very solid 6D update to market.

I believe implementing 4K was a big discussion at Canon's and I have no idea how that ended, but if it had 4K it would be less of a crop than the 5DIV and has an articulating touch screen with DPAF thus can be oriented to play as the video model in Canon line up.

The current 4K Canon has (and the only type) is huge-but-highIQ Mjpeg and it requires FAST CF cards or CFast 2.0. Would they give the 6D a CF slot for video? Or an abnormaly (for Canon) fast SD slot? It gets a bit complicated here. So sticking with 90mbps 1080p seems much easier!

 

[benkam]

A fully articulating 3” 1.04M-dot touchscreen would be a visible and major full-frame product differentiator, and entirely doable as this already exists on the 80D and newer Rebels (the 5D IV could still claim to its fixed LCD being slightly bigger at 3.2" and higher res at 1.62-M-dot). That with dual pixel AF, nice. Expect 4K at best at the 5D IV’s level -- 30p and 1.7X crop -- but I also see Canon dropping the ability to grab 8MP stills in 4K via MJPEG and instead go with a codec that gives up that “feature” and yields smaller files.

Canon can also make a huge leap from the 6D’s 11-point, single-cross-type AF while still being scaled down from the 5D IV’s 61-point, 41-cross-type. Could be reasonable to expect a FF implementation of the 80D’s AF system but with fewer cross-types, or 45-point AF, with 25 (instead of all) being cross-types -- that is, all 15 points in the more widely dispersed center grid plus each of the middle 5-point columns of the two tighter 15-point AF areas that flank the center grid.

A 25 MP version of the 5D IV sensor, 6 fps (a de-rated version of the 5D IV’s new drive or just plug in the old 5D III drive), dual SD slots, 100% coverage OVF, a headphone jack, and all in a “smaller and lighter”, probably 80D-sized package.

All those things are practicable and would make the 6D Mark II a compelling evolutionary upgrade in its projected Spring release.

 

[Random Orbits]

6D mark ii....

Give me more AF points. Sucks shooting people with only 11 AF points

Increase the flash sync speed to 1/200th

Similar button layout to the 7D2

New style viewfinder

Better, more fluent bulb mode

Then I'll consider getting one

In other words, a 5DIV

 

[Takingshots]

<p>We’re told that the release of the Canon EOS 6D Mark II will not happen until the spring of 2017 at the earliest. We had previously been told to expect an announcement some time in Q1 of 2017.</p>
<p>The same source says the new camera will have some new technology in it, have a 25mp sensor, dual SD card slots, a slightly smaller form factor and a reduction in weight.</p>
<p>This feels like it’s possible, as we haven’t heard anything we’d call definitive yet. We don’t expect an abundance of information to come about until the new year.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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Not surprising. Canon seems to favor a 3-6 month window in which the higher trimline product (in this case, the 5D4) completes its global rollout before the cheaper alternative is announced. Canon does not want a single person on the fence about a 5D4 for any reason getting a 6D2 instead.

So this makes perfect sense. Complete the 5D4 rollout, and then a tilty-flippy 6D2 swoops in to collect the rest of the FF buyers in this 4 year cycle.

...with a new non-L 50 prime to go with it, one might hope. :

- A

That could be true. Also buyers who wait to see what is offered on the new 6D Mark ii prior to making their decision to move forward or to move away from Canon has the options to buy used/demo Sony A7Rii/A7Rs at lower prices as Sony rolled out their newer version AR7 series. Canon got to step up with their offerings to combat to be competitive.

 

[jeffa4444]

So if they create '80D with full frame' what do you see as the differentiator between that and the 5DIV?

Just a few:-
higher ISO
4K video (1080P)
61AF points (45)
Extract 8MP pictures from 4K video)
Larger LCD display
Higher display resolution
Dedicated metering processor
150,000 RGB+IR metering system (7560 RGB+IR)
Dual card slots
21 f8 AF points
Better weather sealing
etc.

Canon would likely limit the FPS to below 7 and the shutter would have a lower shutter life (100K vs 150K)

Apart from the sensor, GPS and Wi-Fi the current 6D is similar to the 5D MKII the world has moved on considerably since then. The price gap between the 6D & 5D MKIV is a gulf even if the 5d MKIV falls to the 5DS/r pricing so the 6D MKII will certainly increase in price that in turn would leave another gap between the 6D MKII and the 80D so ideal to place a full frame rebel with a spec. similar to the 750/760D.

 

[Billybob]

A fully articulating 3” 1.04M-dot touchscreen would be a visible and major full-frame product differentiator, and entirely doable as this already exists on the 80D and newer Rebels (the 5D IV could still claim to its fixed LCD being slightly bigger at 3.2" and higher res at 1.62-M-dot). That with dual pixel AF, nice. Expect 4K at best at the 5D IV’s level -- 30p and 1.7X crop -- but I also see Canon dropping the ability to grab 8MP stills in 4K via MJPEG and instead go with a codec that gives up that “feature” and yields smaller files.

Canon can also make a huge leap from the 6D’s 11-point, single-cross-type AF while still being scaled down from the 5D IV’s 61-point, 41-cross-type. Could be reasonable to expect a FF implementation of the 80D’s AF system but with fewer cross-types, or 45-point AF, with 25 (instead of all) being cross-types -- that is, all 15 points in the more widely dispersed center grid plus each of the middle 5-point columns of the two tighter 15-point AF areas that flank the center grid.

A 25 MP version of the 5D IV sensor, 6 fps (a de-rated version of the 5D IV’s new drive or just plug in the old 5D III drive), dual SD slots, 100% coverage OVF, a headphone jack, and all in a “smaller and lighter”, probably 80D-sized package.

All those things are practicable and would make the 6D Mark II a compelling evolutionary upgrade in its projected Spring release.

I'm not sure why everyone is predicting dual card slots in an 80D form factor especially when the 80D only has one slot. Keeping the 6D at one card slot is a very simple why to differentiate a consumer from pro model. Also, keep the continuous rate at no more than 5fps. Psychologically--yes, I'm speaking for self and personal experience--5fps feels slow, 6fps does not. Regardless, the buffer will be absurdly small allowing no more than 3 seconds of RAW shots at 5fps, or 2secs or less at a higher continuous rate. I agree with all your other points. Improved AF is a given, but the spread of AF points is likely to remain just as compact.

1/4000s max shutter speed is a given. I think the D750 also has this limit and it is an easy feature for the marketeers to use to distinguish consumer from pro-grade cameras. Tilty, and hopefully flippy, touchscreen is a given as well. Again, this is a consumer-grade feature (although Nikon has added tilty-touchy to it's crop-sensor and pro-level D500) that will distinguish it from the 5D line. The 6D will continue without the joystick--a feature that I sorely miss on my 80D--but will likely have some form of 4K video. I suspect that it will be similar to the 5D's version since the consensus seems to be that the 5D doesn't implement 4K all that well. I doubt that the 6D will be (much) better but hardly worst. Oh, and the 6D will give up maximum possible sharpness by including an aggressive AA filter. Canon is just too conservative to risk the bane of moire haters to remove the filter.

Given the 6 month lag, Canon won't mind producing a very usable, compromised, but significantly upgraded camera as described above and in the previous post. Pro users who have worn out their previous cameras won't wait that long, and action shooters who need the higher continuous rate, buffer, and better AF will still have to purchase the 5DMIV.

For me having the improved DR of the 5D is critical. I sold my 5DMIII last year in anticipation of the IV. However, the IV is more camera than I need, especially at that price level. I thought about getting the current 6D but if the II doesn't improve the DR, I'll continue with my 80D, L lenses, and Nikon kit.

 

[jeffa4444]

If I was Canon this is where I would have the 6D:-

24MP (not dual pixel)
7260 RGB-IR metering
45AF points (5 to f8)
APS-C crop mode
5fps
1080P video over USB3.0
100% coverage viewfinder
3" tilting (up or down) LCD screen
GPS
Wi-Fi
NFC
2xSD card slots
Increase highest shutter speed to 1/8000
Increase flash sync
slightly smaller body with same control layout of 6D
Better weather sealing

 

[Luds34]

If I was Canon this is where I would have the 6D:-

24MP (not dual pixel)
7260 RGB-IR metering
45AF points (5 to f8)
APS-C crop mode
5fps
1080P video over USB3.0
100% coverage viewfinder
3" tilting (up or down) LCD screen
GPS
Wi-Fi
NFC
2xSD card slots
Increase highest shutter speed to 1/8000
Increase flash sync
slightly smaller body with same control layout of 6D
Better weather sealing

Good thing you're not Canon.

DPAF is a big feature that differentiates Canon among it's competitors. Being it's been put into any decent Camera Canon has released recently and I'd be shocked if it's left out of the 6D2.