1 Dx II - Very Bad News For Videographers.

[Yiannis A - Greece]

Dear friends, i just found it in "Imaging-Resource.com":

"According to CIPA testing, when using the optical viewfinder, the 1DX II's battery should allow for between 1020-1210 or thereabouts (depending on the ambient temperature). Battery life drops dramatically though for Live View shooting, with approximately 240 shots per charge at 32°F (0°C) or 260 shots at 73°F (23°C)."

Around 250 shots with live-view on, means less than 5-10 minutes of movie making, using DPAF and the touch screen. Maybe i'm completely wrong but, as an engineer i thing that, a pair of Digic 6+ is an energy consumption monster duet and Canon shoots itself in the foot by this very limited battery life. I'm very close to pre-order the camera (although i'm afraid i'll become a guinea pig again; i changed three 7D Mk2 bodies in the first week of its release due to center point misfocusing and finally sent the damned thing to hell), still i got really frustrated by this fact!

One thing i'd also like to say is, from the sample pictures i've seen till now, i'm quite persuaded that the dynamic range is going to suck again. Too much black in the shadows and not even a word by the so called "independent" reviewers about the matter. I'm sure it sucks a lot!

That's all i have to say for now; be lucky, be healthy, be surrounded by those you love.

Yours
Yiannis A.

 

[ritholtz]

Dear friends, i just found it in "Imaging-Resource.com":

"According to CIPA testing, when using the optical viewfinder, the 1DX II's battery should allow for between 1020-1210 or thereabouts (depending on the ambient temperature). Battery life drops dramatically though for Live View shooting, with approximately 240 shots per charge at 32°F (0°C) or 260 shots at 73°F (23°C)."

Around 250 shots with live-view on, means less than 5-10 minutes of movie making, using DPAF and the touch screen. Maybe i'm completely wrong but, as an engineer i thing that, a pair of Digic 6+ is an energy consumption monster duet and Canon shoots itself in the foot by this very limited battery life. I'm very close to pre-order the camera (although i'm afraid i'll become a guinea pig again; i changed three 7D Mk2 bodies in the first week of its release due to center point misfocusing and finally sent the damned thing to hell), still i got really frustrated by this fact!

One thing i'd also like to say is, from the sample pictures i've seen till now, i'm quite persuaded that the dynamic range is going to suck again. Too much black in the shadows and not even a word by the so called "independent" reviewers about the matter. I'm sure it sucks a lot!

That's all i have to say for now; be lucky, be healthy, be surrounded by those you love.

Yours
Yiannis A.

200 shots per charge, sounds like Sony mirrorless camera. 1200 shots to 200 shots per charge is quite a drop.
I do not think so Canon is that dumb.

 

[Yiannis A - Greece]

200 shots per charge, sounds like Sony mirrorless camera. 1200 shots to 200 shots per charge is quite a drop.
I do not think so Canon is that dumb.

I really hope you're right my friend. It's gonna be really humiliating if it's true but, i see no reason not to believe it as the article mentions that they're official CIPA figures. On my 5D Mk3's CIPA numbers tend to become a thing of reality as long as i have live view on. Lets cross our fingers and wait but, i'm a little bit pessimistic as i do a lot of video...

All my best wishes
Yiannis

 

[Ryananthony]

200 shots per charge, sounds like Sony mirrorless camera. 1200 shots to 200 shots per charge is quite a drop.
I do not think so Canon is that dumb.

I really hope you're right my friend. It's gonna be really humiliating if it's true but, i see no reason not to believe it as the article mentions that they're official CIPA figures. On my 5D Mk3's CIPA numbers tend to become a thing of reality as long as i have live view on. Lets cross our fingers and wait but, i'm a little bit pessimistic as i do a lot of video...

All my best wishes
Yiannis


I do not do any video at all, therefore I am not keeping up with those specs, but I am pretty sure I read (or watched) that it won't support external recording for 4K. Im pretty uneducated, but that sounds like a big fault to me.

I don't know where I read it (or watched) but they said that the 1dxii won't be capable of external recording in 4K. I don't know much about video, but I imagine that is also some bad news.

 

[ERHP]

Good thing there is both an AC and DC adapter available to meet those longer shooting requirements. Physics are what physics are. How long did the 1DC last on the E4N?

 

[beardsquad]

Good thing there is both an AC and DC adapter available to meet those longer shooting requirements. Physics are what physics are. How long did the 1DC last on the E4N?

Which are $650 more.

 

[tpatana]

Around 250 shots with live-view on, means less than 5-10 minutes of movie making,

Total bs. If that Wh size battery drains in less than 10 minutes, it'd be blazing hot.

Not sure exactly on the Canon battery, but most batteries are rated to give sustaining current around 1.5-3C, meaning it's basically impossible to empty the battery in 10 minutes.

So I'm calling this bad lies, attempt to troll 1DX2 or something on those lines.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Around 250 shots with live-view on, means less than 5-10 minutes of movie making,

Total bs. If that Wh size battery drains in less than 10 minutes, it'd be blazing hot.

Not sure exactly on the Canon battery, but most batteries are rated to give sustaining current around 1.5-3C, meaning it's basically impossible to empty the battery in 10 minutes.

So I'm calling this bad lies, attempt to troll 1DX2 or something on those lines.

No need to get excited, the OP does not know how the CIPA numbers are determined. Its not a issue.

CIPA does not take all the photos in 10 minutes, it spreads them out over time. Its the worst possible case and not real world. Virtually all photographers get far more photos per charge than CIPA numbers.

If you were to put the camera into live view and shoot 14 FPS, you would get thousands of shots on a charge, but if you turned on live view and took one shot every 30 seconds, for 10 shots, then turn the camera off, turn it on again and take another 10, and keep doing this , the battery would run down in 4 hours of shooting, or about 200 shots because the LCD uses lots of power. This is no different from any other camera.

Its all about the way the test is conducted. Read it here:

http://www.cipa.jp/std/std-sec_e.html#

 

[expatinasia]

Good thing there is both an AC and DC adapter available to meet those longer shooting requirements. Physics are what physics are. How long did the 1DC last on the E4N?

Which are $650 more.

No the adapter is US$99. But of course does not help if you are nowhere near a power outlet.

I am looking forward to finding out how many minutes of 4K 50/50fps video can be taken on a fully charged battery though.

IPB 1920x1080 25fps video eats through the LP-E4N battery like crazy.

 

[Ozarker]

Good thing there is both an AC and DC adapter available to meet those longer shooting requirements. Physics are what physics are. How long did the 1DC last on the E4N?

Which are $650 more.

The OP is probably mistaken. However, there is no reason why a man couldn't put together his own external battery power supply for $50-$100. Just get a battery, regulate the voltage to be what the spec is for that $650 adapter and voila. Plug it right into the spot the Canon adapter would hook up to. The camera will only draw the current it will draw. Regulate the voltage and everything is hunky dory.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Good thing there is both an AC and DC adapter available to meet those longer shooting requirements. Physics are what physics are. How long did the 1DC last on the E4N?

Which are $650 more.

The OP is probably mistaken. However, there is no reason why a man couldn't put together his own external battery power supply for $50-$100. Just get a battery, regulate the voltage to be what the spec is for that $650 adapter and voila. Plug it right into the spot the Canon adapter would hook up to. The camera will only draw the current it will draw. Regulate the voltage and everything is hunky dory.

Of course, but there is a need for a physical interface. What would you propose? A discarded battery?

Jack

 

[petrosv]

Good thing there is both an AC and DC adapter available to meet those longer shooting requirements. Physics are what physics are. How long did the 1DC last on the E4N?

Which are $650 more.

i just reed that you can not take 4k video in full frame mode but with 1.3 crop according news shooter cinema site
and as for battery information in the same site during about 7 min test continually recording in 4k the battery is full so i don't think that it stoops in 10 min .

The OP is probably mistaken. However, there is no reason why a man couldn't put together his own external battery power supply for $50-$100. Just get a battery, regulate the voltage to be what the spec is for that $650 adapter and voila. Plug it right into the spot the Canon adapter would hook up to. The camera will only draw the current it will draw. Regulate the voltage and everything is hunky dory.

Of course, but there is a need for a physical interface. What would you propose? A discarded battery?

Jack

 

[M_S]

I expected to see C-Log and clean HDMI out for all video-modes at least. The 1DX-II should make the 1DC obsolete. The new 1DC-II could have 8K video in the near future as its new feature.

Hope that they fix this via firmware.

I also wished that they opted for an approach like Nikon did with the media-slots. 2x CFast would be a wise choice.

 

[weixing]

Good thing there is both an AC and DC adapter available to meet those longer shooting requirements. Physics are what physics are. How long did the 1DC last on the E4N?

Which are $650 more.

The OP is probably mistaken. However, there is no reason why a man couldn't put together his own external battery power supply for $50-$100. Just get a battery, regulate the voltage to be what the spec is for that $650 adapter and voila. Plug it right into the spot the Canon adapter would hook up to. The camera will only draw the current it will draw. Regulate the voltage and everything is hunky dory.

Of course, but there is a need for a physical interface. What would you propose? A discarded battery?

Jack

Hi,
There is an external power DC Coupler (DR-E19) for 1DX2, but you need to DIY a DC to DC converter if you need to use your own external battery pack.

Have a nice day.

 

[NorbR]

CIPA does not take all the photos in 10 minutes, it spreads them out over time. Its the worst possible case and not real world. Virtually all photographers get far more photos per charge than CIPA numbers.

This.

CIPA battery evaluations have to be the most misunderstood spec for digital cameras ... They give a number of shots, so too many people assume that 1 battery = X shots no matter what. But obviously it very much depends on how one uses the camera.

A standard is useful to compare *across cameras* (i.e. using the camera in this specific way, camera A will give me more shots than camera B).
But to predict how many shots I, or anyone else, will get out of a full charge on a given camera, it's perfectly useless. I don't use my cameras the CIPA way (and I doubt anyone does ...)

 

[Besisika]

Around 250 shots with live-view on, means less than 5-10 minutes of movie making,

Total bs. If that Wh size battery drains in less than 10 minutes, it'd be blazing hot.

Not sure exactly on the Canon battery, but most batteries are rated to give sustaining current around 1.5-3C, meaning it's basically impossible to empty the battery in 10 minutes.

So I'm calling this bad lies, attempt to troll 1DX2 or something on those lines.

Agree!
The OP doesn't even know the difference between live view shooting and movie making.
I have been using live view shooting with my current 1DX for the past two years and two batteries had last whole day. I admit that viewing the scene all the time in live view may drain more battery but not that much. Besides, you shoot a burst of 5 to 6 photos every time.

 

[Besisika]

I expected to see C-Log and clean HDMI out for all video-modes at least. The 1DX-II should make the 1DC obsolete. The new 1DC-II could have 8K video in the near future as its new feature.

Hope that they fix this via firmware.

I also wished that they opted for an approach like Nikon did with the media-slots. 2x CFast would be a wise choice.

Out of curiosity, what are you shooting that you would need a C-log and 4K out of HDMI from a DSLR? Just curious.
I can think only of a concert shooter under crazy DJ lighting, but for that you would better go for a base ISO of 850 or 16000 and not 100. Why not go for a cinema EOS?
1DX is first and foremost a photography gear, having fusion photographer in mind, not a cinematographer.

 

[M_S]

I expected to see C-Log and clean HDMI out for all video-modes at least. The 1DX-II should make the 1DC obsolete. The new 1DC-II could have 8K video in the near future as its new feature.

Hope that they fix this via firmware.

I also wished that they opted for an approach like Nikon did with the media-slots. 2x CFast would be a wise choice.

Out of curiosity, what are you shooting that you would need a C-log and 4K out of HDMI from a DSLR? Just curious.
I can think only of a concert shooter under crazy DJ lighting, but for that you would better go for a base ISO of 850 or 16000 and not 100. Why not go for a cinema EOS?
1DX is first and foremost a photography gear, having fusion photographer in mind, not a cinematographer.

No prob. I like to adjust the look to my liking. C-Log helps in that area in that it gives you a flat image which you can adjust later on. Since I don't want to buy several devices for diffrent tasks, and don't have the money to do so, I am more on the one device that helps to do it for me. Since my field is two folded (stills and video) I hoped to get it from this camera.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Good thing there is both an AC and DC adapter available to meet those longer shooting requirements. Physics are what physics are. How long did the 1DC last on the E4N?

Which are $650 more.

The OP is probably mistaken. However, there is no reason why a man couldn't put together his own external battery power supply for $50-$100. Just get a battery, regulate the voltage to be what the spec is for that $650 adapter and voila. Plug it right into the spot the Canon adapter would hook up to. The camera will only draw the current it will draw. Regulate the voltage and everything is hunky dory.

Of course, but there is a need for a physical interface. What would you propose? A discarded battery?

Jack

Hi,
There is an external power DC Coupler (DR-E19) for 1DX2, but you need to DIY a DC to DC converter if you need to use your own external battery pack.

Have a nice day.

Yes. And for the financially strapped I suspect that the shell of an old 1D IV battery could provide the interface and probably hold the switching regulator within its structure. Then it's just a good gel cell battery to carry with a strap over your shoulder. Just might be worth it as DIY.

Jack

 

[Ozarker]

Good thing there is both an AC and DC adapter available to meet those longer shooting requirements. Physics are what physics are. How long did the 1DC last on the E4N?

Which are $650 more.

The OP is probably mistaken. However, there is no reason why a man couldn't put together his own external battery power supply for $50-$100. Just get a battery, regulate the voltage to be what the spec is for that $650 adapter and voila. Plug it right into the spot the Canon adapter would hook up to. The camera will only draw the current it will draw. Regulate the voltage and everything is hunky dory.

Of course, but there is a need for a physical interface. What would you propose? A discarded battery?

Jack

Hi,
There is an external power DC Coupler (DR-E19) for 1DX2, but you need to DIY a DC to DC converter if you need to use your own external battery pack.

Have a nice day.

Yes. And for the financially strapped I suspect that the shell of an old 1D IV battery could provide the interface and probably hold the switching regulator within its structure. Then it's just a good gel cell battery to carry with a strap over your shoulder. Just might be worth it as DIY.

Jack

If one doesn't already exist on the third party market the creation of such a product should be a good idea. Just build it so that it is universal in nature.