1d X field test

[Bosman]

Like i said when i played with the 1DX, i was ONLY looking out for 1 thing..the AF speed. And it wasn't my camera so obviously i could play with it for a longer time.
From the moment you press the shutter to the time you see it flash red…on the 5D3, it takes maybe slightly under 1 sec.
On the 1DX, it's immediate….that's the big difference…1 processor vs 3 processors i guess…that's why i say the 1DX will be great for sports, not that the 5D3 isn't good…it's for a specific target audience that need that AF speed shooting things like the Olympics.the AF speed isn't going to mean anything in general shooting or landscapes etc…you don't need that AF speed..

I don't doubt the 5d3 would focus as fast as a 1dx if it had the same amount of battery voltage output. Canon states this fact about the diff with 1d bodies being battery voltage. That's probably why you don't see battery grips work with the 1d series batteries as they would make the focusing equal speed probably. The two smaller batteries do not increase voltage at all.
On another note.

The more i look at settings and test things i find the settings are very specific. Each setting isn't just there to offer diff options, they are literally major changes in how your focus system responds to input. Like spot focus is a bad idea unless you literally are trying to shoot thru something to focus on something else. To be honest if i had owned a 7d like most of the people I hire shoot I would be ahead of the game in understanding how these new settings work in application. I have set out to understand as much as humanly possible about this AF system and as a result have no doubt i will be able to maximize it for many diff shooting situations. While some would like straight forward focus point systems like those who shoot 1D series cameras know you can dial that camera in to the n'th degree to get very specific results, to be able to do that on a 5d is a dream and yet some settings missed leave me wanting but not to the point of needing a 1dx.
While i had my micro adjustment settings set to off, they are on again and in testing using the canon eos utility, i found my 50L needed +3. To be honest this camera in single point focus is beyond stellar now.
the 24L is also +3 but my 70-200L is spot on.
I just realized I hadn't tested the 24-70 but then i have never had issues with that one working on all my bodies.

Here are some of the resources i have been combing that may help you get the results you are looking for.
This one is canons 1dx Af PDF guide which is pretty much almost exact to anything you can do on the 5d3
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/1dx_guidebook.shtml?categoryId=12
for direct download of the PDF
http://downloads.canon.com/CDLC/EOS_1DX_AF_Guide_CDLC.pdf

These are from the Canon Learning center
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/5d3_multiple_af_points.shtml
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2011/1dx_af_config_article.shtml

 

[Bosman]

On my 50D I accidentally turned the in camera sharpening down all the way once and my images looked sooooooooooooooo blurry. I actually thought my camera broke.

So, I wonder what the in camera sharpening was set to in these because it does make a difference.

I wouldn't be too surprised if this blurry issue is the sharpness being completely neutered in the camera for those pros who want total control over sharpening after the fact, but that is just me speculating without any proof...

I havent tested output with in camera sharpening yet but think i will make a point of it this week.

 

[jaayres20]

In terms of "softness" I had a Mark II for almost three years and now I have two Mark IIIs. The Mark III is very sharp. It is sharper than the Mark II and the IQ in terms of color and ISO are superior. I can't imagine the the 1Dx having a "softness" issue if the Mark IIIs images are extremely sharp.

Yeah? Could you post a couple of raw's, say of a barcode and small text, I can compare to mine with? because mine is def softer than my 5d2. Serioulsy different.

that would really help. at full resolution please, a RAW file would be perfect if possible

Yes I can. If you don't mind can you give me a day or so to get to it. Here is an image I took at a wedding with my 50mm 1.2 @ 1.2. The 50mm 1.2 is NOT a sharp lens @ 1.2 and with the 5D2 I could never have gotten anything like this. Let alone in focus. I know barcodes and RAW images are important but I can make money off of this image and the 5D3 allows me to do it better than the 5D2. I am just saying that when it comes to a real world test the 5D3 gives me excellent results time and time again. In my opinion the 5D3 was made for us wedding photographers and event photographers that need excellent IQ & fast accurate autofocus in difficult fast moving environments. If I was a landscape photographer or a studio photographer I would buy a different camera. The focus was on the groom's face. Perfectly sharp for 1.2 and the best part is that it is in focus which is a lot more than the 5D2 could offer me.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaayres/6983294866/#in/photostream

 

[Northstar]

yep...that's very sharp, good one!

 

[spinworkxroy]

[quote author=Northstar]
Spinwork....I haven't tried the 1dx, BUT, my 5d3 with my 70-200ii focuses IMMEDIATELY...not even .5 second let alone "just under a second"

What lens were you using that took almost a second?
[/quote]

Actually, i've tried it on several lenses on my camera…the slowest being about 1 sec…but even the primes are that fast.
Maybe i could be mistaken abou the 1DX because it had the 28mm IS lens on it and that's a brand new unreleased lens which could be SUPER fast..i wasn't allowed to mount that lens on my camera though neither was i allowed to mount my lens on the 1DX so it's not really an exact "test" but definately the 1dx has to be faster.
i've since turned the beep back on my 5D…somehow i find th beep faster than the screen flash red..maybe it's just me…
Just curious..if i take a photo before the screen flashed red, does it mean the photo is out of focus? Because i'm prety sure it focuses BEFORE it flashes red..

 

[spinworkxroy]

Pardon the bad lighting and bad video..did this very impromptu..
I decided to capture the focus speed of my 5D3 with a 17-40L..
I tested this same lens with my 60D and somehow the speed is exactly the same as the 60D…i would expect it to be faster no?
Is this a normal speed or is it considered "slow", granted the light is rather low and there seems to be some "hunting" before it focuses..it actually does that even in good light for all my lenses
http://youtu.be/9Jie9M0fEfs

 

[expatinasia]

Why is there so much stuff in this thread about the 5D (mark II and III)? It is supposed to be about the 1D X.

 

[JR]

Why is there so much stuff in this thread about the 5D (mark II and III)? It is supposed to be about the 1D X.

Because we all felt the 1dx sample shown from the original post were really soft! So we jumped to the spftness issue from the 5dmkiii issue that was discussed before which were mostly driven by the dpp software.

 

[Loswr]

Because we all felt the 1dx sample shown from the original post were really soft! So we jumped to the spftness issue from the 5dmkiii issue that was discussed before which were mostly driven by the dpp software.

...and apparently, soft RAW conversions is also an issue with LR.

 

[Viggo]

Because we all felt the 1dx sample shown from the original post were really soft! So we jumped to the spftness issue from the 5dmkiii issue that was discussed before which were mostly driven by the dpp software.

...and apparently, soft RAW conversions is also an issue with LR.

I'm so glad the Lr problems have reach the surface and is spread all over now, only way to get the message across. Get it widely known!

 

[Louis]

Because we all felt the 1dx sample shown from the original post were really soft! So we jumped to the spftness issue from the 5dmkiii issue that was discussed before which were mostly driven by the dpp software.

...and apparently, soft RAW conversions is also an issue with LR.

I'm so glad the Lr problems have reach the surface and is spread all over now, only way to get the message across. Get it widely known!

I had no idea this was the case, I just imported a CR2 to DPP and then into Lightroom and exported both at 16 tiffs, the LR Tiff also lacked so much colour, plus the DPP looks sharper, anyone know how I can save over every RAW file in DPP with my small adjustments such as chromatic aberration etc,

 

[Bosman]

Pardon the bad lighting and bad video..did this very impromptu..
I decided to capture the focus speed of my 5D3 with a 17-40L..
I tested this same lens with my 60D and somehow the speed is exactly the same as the 60D…i would expect it to be faster no?
Is this a normal speed or is it considered "slow", granted the light is rather low and there seems to be some "hunting" before it focuses..it actually does that even in good light for all my lenses
http://youtu.be/9Jie9M0fEfs

That video tells us nothing, you could be pointing it at a white wall for all we know. AF settings are important too.

 

[JR]

Because we all felt the 1dx sample shown from the original post were really soft! So we jumped to the spftness issue from the 5dmkiii issue that was discussed before which were mostly driven by the dpp software.

...and apparently, soft RAW conversions is also an issue with LR.

Bang on! I would never have doubted that LR was giving bad result and had very naively concluded that something was wrong with the camera somehow. It will teach me that just because LR support a camera RAW file, it does not mean it actually do it well! :-[

LR4 gives me great result with the mkii (tried comparing it to dpp again last night for the mkii) but for the mkiii it is a totally different story. The only sad thing in this (for me at least) is that i hate the workflow in dpp, i dont find you can do as much as with LR, and I also find dpp sucks big time at NR...

 

[Ivar]

Now that is ridiculous .... are you telling that moving sharpness sliders is of no help for the 5D3 files?

The default settings are what they are, default. Every camera needs different sharpening + it is also dependant what is on the scene and what is your own perception of sharpness.

At least for my 5D2 LR shines, I also had no problems with available 5D3 RAW files.

Because we all felt the 1dx sample shown from the original post were really soft! So we jumped to the spftness issue from the 5dmkiii issue that was discussed before which were mostly driven by the dpp software.

...and apparently, soft RAW conversions is also an issue with LR.

Bang on! I would never have doubted that LR was giving bad result and had very naively concluded that something was wrong with the camera somehow. It will teach me that just because LR support a camera RAW file, it does not mean it actually do it well! :-[

LR4 gives me great result with the mkii (tried comparing it to dpp again last night for the mkii) but for the mkiii it is a totally different story. The only sad thing in this (for me at least) is that i hate the workflow in dpp, i dont find you can do as much as with LR, and I also find dpp sucks big time at NR...

 

[JR]

Now that is ridiculous .... are you telling that moving sharpness sliders is of no help for the 5D3 files?

The default settings are what they are, default. Every camera needs different sharpening + it is also dependant what is on the scene and what is your own perception of sharpness.

At least for my 5D2 LR shines, I also had no problems with available 5D3 RAW files.

Because we all felt the 1dx sample shown from the original post were really soft! So we jumped to the spftness issue from the 5dmkiii issue that was discussed before which were mostly driven by the dpp software.

...and apparently, soft RAW conversions is also an issue with LR.

Bang on! I would never have doubted that LR was giving bad result and had very naively concluded that something was wrong with the camera somehow. It will teach me that just because LR support a camera RAW file, it does not mean it actually do it well! :-[

LR4 gives me great result with the mkii (tried comparing it to dpp again last night for the mkii) but for the mkiii it is a totally different story. The only sad thing in this (for me at least) is that i hate the workflow in dpp, i dont find you can do as much as with LR, and I also find dpp sucks big time at NR...

This has nothing to do with default settings. LR 4 also gives me perfect result with my mkii. With the mkiii however is simply does not work that well. There is a softness compared to the mkii file that is there on all shots, while it is more apparent in some then others. It is only by comparing into the new version of dpp that you realize how much sharper the mkiii really are. Again moving the sharpness scale is not what is solving the issue here. In lightroom there is no way i can make some of those shots sharp unless i open them in dpp. Adobe simply need to update their raw converter. If you have some mkiii raw file i invite you to try it for yourself. The change are not even suttle!

 

[Viggo]

Now that is ridiculous .... are you telling that moving sharpness sliders is of no help for the 5D3 files?

The default settings are what they are, default. Every camera needs different sharpening + it is also dependant what is on the scene and what is your own perception of sharpness.

At least for my 5D2 LR shines, I also had no problems with available 5D3 RAW files.

Because we all felt the 1dx sample shown from the original post were really soft! So we jumped to the spftness issue from the 5dmkiii issue that was discussed before which were mostly driven by the dpp software.

...and apparently, soft RAW conversions is also an issue with LR.

Bang on! I would never have doubted that LR was giving bad result and had very naively concluded that something was wrong with the camera somehow. It will teach me that just because LR support a camera RAW file, it does not mean it actually do it well! :-[

LR4 gives me great result with the mkii (tried comparing it to dpp again last night for the mkii) but for the mkiii it is a totally different story. The only sad thing in this (for me at least) is that i hate the workflow in dpp, i dont find you can do as much as with LR, and I also find dpp sucks big time at NR...

This has nothing to do with default settings. LR 4 also gives me perfect result with my mkii. With the mkiii however is simply does not work that well. There is a softness compared to the mkii file that is there on all shots, while it is more apparent in some then others. It is only by comparing into the new version of dpp that you realize how much sharper the mkiii really are. Again moving the sharpness scale is not what is solving the issue here. In lightroom there is no way i can make some of those shots sharp unless i open them in dpp. Adobe simply need to update their raw converter. If you have some mkiii raw file i invite you to try it for yourself. The change are not even suttle!

+1... Some people act like you can just sharpen more, but that doesn't work, as stated 50 million times already.

What I am concerned about is that Adobe only gets it a tad sharper, and everything else should have been a lot better. Go back to the old price of Lr if that means they can get it right. I have the best lenses and the fantastic 5d3 and shoot raw to get the most out of everything, and when Lr does what it does to the file, I might as well use a 50 1,8 on a 10d shooting jpeg...

 

[Equinox271]

I pre-ordered mine but it seems Canon will be releasing the 1Dx when the 1Dx Mk II is available. Canon should reduce the price for those who pre-ordered thinking we would have the camera in March. Cut the price Canon!