1DX mkii vs 5D mk iv

[Jack Douglas]

Besisika, sounds correct to me. I'm coming from never having shot a wedding seriously in my life but can appreciate all those points. The sound of 14 fps in a quiet smallish room is something I would not wish to impose on anyone.

Jack

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

If nice picture is what you want to achieve, then I would definitely go with the 5D4, especially if you lean more towards portrait, weddings and night photography. It is smaller and as such will make you more mobile and less tired so that you could focus more on interacting with your bride/model. It is cheaper so that you could buy better lighting system or better prime lens. It is more silent that you could be more discrete. It has more MP so you could crop more, and so on and so forth. It addresses the need of those genres.

We all have heard someone saying, it is not the gear; it is the photographer.
Well, he is not a sport photographer.
And if a sport photographer tells you that, he is liar. He wants simply to sell his service to you. Believe me; he can sell a fridge in the north pole.
Don't get me wrong; 5D4 will deliver nice sport pictures. But sport is not about nice pictures; it is about the moment. Here: more is more. Less is for kids. Buffer, fps, focus, battery - these are some of the key words.
If you think 14 fps is a lot then think again - sometimes I have to switch to frame grab before I can catch the right moment.
If you don't want to go over 5 000 photos per hockey game then go shoot weddings!

My suggestion is simple; if you are ambitious about sport then forget everything else; grab the 1DX II - it has no competition. Why would you buy a 4 year old technology in a form of 1DX?

If you want more portraits then go with the 5D4. Here: less is more: quality, creativity and story: you will need it all. Some will trade story for quality and creativity. That is not sport; that is wedding/portrait/fashion.

the 5d4 is very capable SPORTS camera please font let 7fps and it buffer fools ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU BASH IT AT SPORTS/ACTION
there alot of 1dx2 user wishing they had the 30MP for more detail and not having too machine alot

 

[H. Jones]

If nice picture is what you want to achieve, then I would definitely go with the 5D4, especially if you lean more towards portrait, weddings and night photography. It is smaller and as such will make you more mobile and less tired so that you could focus more on interacting with your bride/model. It is cheaper so that you could buy better lighting system or better prime lens. It is more silent that you could be more discrete. It has more MP so you could crop more, and so on and so forth. It addresses the need of those genres.

We all have heard someone saying, it is not the gear; it is the photographer.
Well, he is not a sport photographer.
And if a sport photographer tells you that, he is liar. He wants simply to sell his service to you. Believe me; he can sell a fridge in the north pole.
Don't get me wrong; 5D4 will deliver nice sport pictures. But sport is not about nice pictures; it is about the moment. Here: more is more. Less is for kids. Buffer, fps, focus, battery - these are some of the key words.
If you think 14 fps is a lot then think again - sometimes I have to switch to frame grab before I can catch the right moment.
If you don't want to go over 5 000 photos per hockey game then go shoot weddings!

My suggestion is simple; if you are ambitious about sport then forget everything else; grab the 1DX II - it has no competition. Why would you buy a 4 year old technology in a form of 1DX?

If you want more portraits then go with the 5D4. Here: less is more: quality, creativity and story: you will need it all. Some will trade story for quality and creativity. That is not sport; that is wedding/portrait/fashion.

the 5d4 is very capable SPORTS camera please font let 7fps and it buffer fools ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU BASH IT AT SPORTS/ACTION
there alot of 1dx2 user wishing they had the 30MP for more detail and not having too machine alot

+1 from a 1DX Mark II owner.

I currently shoot with a 1DX2 and a 5D3, but I really want to upgrade that 5D3 to a 5D4 for the 30mp, better DR, touch features, NFC/WIFI, etc. It looks like a great camera all around, and Canon's new sensor tech is amazing.

I do shoot weddings/portraits/landscapes/etc on the side of being a photojournalist, and I do print large prints. At just 16x20 I'm resampling the 1DX2 images before I print them at 300 dpi, while on a 5D4 I would be able to natively print at 300 dpi.

Now don't get me wrong, I am absolutely in love with my 1DX2--- it's amazing, it's the best thing I've ever used, especially for my job. But that said, while on the job, my newspaper wants everything down-scaled to around 2 megapixels when we're transferring remotely from the field, so even 20 MP gives me tons of latitude to crop and still meet that requirement. I did, however, shoot sports with my 5D3 for over a year with no real issues, and although the 1DX2 is so much better in that field, people have been photographing sports since the film days with manual-advance cameras. If you know your timing, if you know the sport, you can capture those action-packed moments with any camera.

 

[Besisika]

the 5d4 is very capable SPORTS camera please font let 7fps and it buffer fools ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU BASH IT AT SPORTS/ACTION
there alot of 1dx2 user wishing they had the 30MP for more detail and not having too machine alot

Understood!
Lesson learned!

 

[Jack Douglas]

the 5d4 is very capable SPORTS camera please font let 7fps and it buffer fools ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU BASH IT AT SPORTS/ACTION
there alot of 1dx2 user wishing they had the 30MP for more detail and not having too machine alot

Understood!
Lesson learned!

I was going to respond but figured that I'd let others and save me the time. I agree with the sentiment of not being perceived as elitist relative to the 1DX II. I know Besisika is not elitist based on his other posts. I will not be either, now that I also have the 1DX II, but here is the issue.

We know that historically the 1 series camera was the "best" or at lest had the killer features that anyone having more money than brains would lust after. It happened to me when I sold my perfectly good Ftb and bought a used F1. It did everything for me for many years, so no regrets.

This time it was really troubling because I dearly wanted some 1 series features but would also like the 30 MPs (and other 5D4 stuff) but I cant afford/didn't want to pack a second camera on my hikes (when with me, my wife carries the 6D but it's also 20 MPs). So, my compromise was to accept some 1DX II features along with what I believe/hope is the fastest/most accurate F8 focusing and forego the 30 MPs. This was a very tough decision.

There now is no "best" unless Canon builds a 1 series with modes to address the high resolution/high speed trade-off. Furthermore it would be better if the word "best" didn't even creep into discussions. It's possible a 6D II upgrade could be in my future because it's small/light and I love my 6D.

Jack

 

[mystikjoe]

If nice picture is what you want to achieve, then I would definitely go with the 5D4, especially if you lean more towards portrait, weddings and night photography. It is smaller and as such will make you more mobile and less tired so that you could focus more on interacting with your bride/model. It is cheaper so that you could buy better lighting system or better prime lens. It is more silent that you could be more discrete. It has more MP so you could crop more, and so on and so forth. It addresses the need of those genres.

We all have heard someone saying, it is not the gear; it is the photographer.
Well, he is not a sport photographer.
And if a sport photographer tells you that, he is liar. He wants simply to sell his service to you. Believe me; he can sell a fridge in the north pole.
Don't get me wrong; 5D4 will deliver nice sport pictures. But sport is not about nice pictures; it is about the moment. Here: more is more. Less is for kids. Buffer, fps, focus, battery - these are some of the key words.
If you think 14 fps is a lot then think again - sometimes I have to switch to frame grab before I can catch the right moment.
If you don't want to go over 5 000 photos per hockey game then go shoot weddings!

My suggestion is simple; if you are ambitious about sport then forget everything else; grab the 1DX II - it has no competition. Why would you buy a 4 year old technology in a form of 1DX?

If you want more portraits then go with the 5D4. Here: less is more: quality, creativity and story: you will need it all. Some will trade story for quality and creativity. That is not sport; that is wedding/portrait/fashion.

the 5d4 is very capable SPORTS camera please font let 7fps and it buffer fools ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU BASH IT AT SPORTS/ACTION
there alot of 1dx2 user wishing they had the 30MP for more detail and not having too machine alot

the 5d4 is half the speed of the 1dx ii brother. i shoot boxing regularly and those extra frames get you the knockout shot vs not. no one with a 1dx wants 30mp they want to be able to shoot a couple hundred shots if need be without it stopping for the buffer. they also need the ruggedness that the 1dx provides. i've shot it on water rides at universal in orlando and watched others cringe in fear. canons 5d series are excellent cameras but they're not meant to be a sports camera period.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Adding to this, a small but really nice upgrade feature from my 6D is that I can now review the burst of shots that were taken, instantly and with magnification thrown in because of the 1DX II buffer.

I have the set button programmed to display at 1X magnification. A quick RH half press of the shutter and hit "set" with the RH thumb and then the thumb wheel takes you back through the photos as fast as a blink as far as you wish. I could also have magnification of full size from selected focus point if critical focus was my concern.

One reviewer claimed you had to fumble around after left hand hitting the "play" button to review a shot, unlike Nikon. Of course he was primarily a Nikon shooter.

After 6D, 4.5 fps, 14 fps is so nice. You don't know what's in those frames until you view action at that rate and then you realize that 5, 6, 7 is not 14! If 7 is fast enough for your needs that's cool.

Jack

 

[applecider]

I apologize for a small thread hijack, just wondering if there is a gear for sale forum here on CR. I see plenty of deals from retailers but looking for inter member sale discussion.

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi Applecider.
A for sale section was trialled some while back, it seemed to fizzle out quite quickly. I don't know why, maybe lack of use, maybe it was too labour intensive to manage.

Cheers, Graham.

I apologize for a small thread hijack, just wondering if there is a gear for sale forum here on CR. I see plenty of deals from retailers but looking for inter member sale discussion.

 

[Larsskv]

I have a question to you 1DX II and 5DIV owners. I have a 5Ds and a 1DX, with I got in the same order.

The 5Ds produces amazing images, and has a very precise focusing system. The ergonomics are also great. I was very happy with it, and wasn´t missing much, until I later got the 1DX.

I just love using the 1DX. It´s responsiveness in every aspect, the large viewfinder, the build quality, and it´s ergonomics makes a huge difference with regards to the overall user experience. It has become the camera I grab most of the times, and that I want to use. The 5Ds is kind of "dull" to use in comparison. The downside to the 1DX, however, is that it´s files often lags behind what I am used with from the 5Ds. Especially, I wish it´s metering system was better. The exposure is less predictable, and highlights are blown much more often than with the 5Ds, which gets the exposure close to perfect every time.

So, to my question, those of you that have experience with 1DX, 1DXII, and preferably 5Ds/sr, do you find the 1DXII to be a significant upgrade over the 1DX, in terms of metering, and overall image/file quality? Does the 1DXII often make you wish that you had used the 5Ds in stead?

I am also considering replacing the 1DX with a 5DIV + a battery grip. The 5DIV has some great features, I think, but I am afraid I would miss the responsiveness of the 1DX and the big viewfinder to much to choose the 5DIV over the 1DXII. Does anyone have an experience on the overall responsiveness on both the 1DXII vs 5DIV?

And, for the record, I rarely need the high fps on the 1DX, but the larger spread of AF points and improved AF system in the 1DXII and 5DIV is tempting.

Thank you!

 

[Jopa]

I have a question to you 1DX II and 5DIV owners. I have a 5Ds and a 1DX, with I got in the same order.

The 5Ds produces amazing images, and has a very precise focusing system. The ergonomics are also great. I was very happy with it, and wasn´t missing much, until I later got the 1DX.

I just love using the 1DX. It´s responsiveness in every aspect, the large viewfinder, the build quality, and it´s ergonomics makes a huge difference with regards to the overall user experience. It has become the camera I grab most of the times, and that I want to use. The 5Ds is kind of "dull" to use in comparison. The downside to the 1DX, however, is that it´s files often lags behind what I am used with from the 5Ds. Especially, I wish it´s metering system was better. The exposure is less predictable, and highlights are blown much more often than with the 5Ds, which gets the exposure close to perfect every time.

So, to my question, those of you that have experience with 1DX, 1DXII, and preferably 5Ds/sr, do you find the 1DXII to be a significant upgrade over the 1DX, in terms of metering, and overall image/file quality? Does the 1DXII often make you wish that you had used the 5Ds in stead?

I am also considering replacing the 1DX with a 5DIV + a battery grip. The 5DIV has some great features, I think, but I am afraid I would miss the responsiveness of the 1DX and the big viewfinder to much to choose the 5DIV over the 1DXII. Does anyone have an experience on the overall responsiveness on both the 1DXII vs 5DIV?

And, for the record, I rarely need the high fps on the 1DX, but the larger spread of AF points and improved AF system in the 1DXII and 5DIV is tempting.

Thank you!

I never had the original 1dx, but I have the 5dsr and the 1dx2. The only thing I'm missing from the 5dsr is the ability to zoom in into details. The 1dx2 is my to-go camera now, and I use the 5dsr for staged shots with controlled light. Before I was using the 5dsr for everything (replaced the Sony a7r2). Besides the AF I think the 1dx2 metering is also superior to the 5dsr (which lacks the AF spot linked mode). The 1dx2 is a wonderful brick rugged, fast, good in low light. I never had so many in-focus shots on my 85/1.2 as I'm having now. The 5dsr is a resolution monster though... IMHO both make a great combo. Of course I would prefer a 1dx3 with 50mpx @ 14 fps (dreams, dreams... )