3 More DSLR's in 2011? [CR1]

[unfocused]

Not to quibble, but actually Canon has announced two DSLRs in 2011, the T3 and the T3i.

 

[kalieaire]

Did someone forget that the 600D was released this year?

I think someone is confusing "3 DSLRs to announce in 2011" with "3 more DSLRs to announce in 2011."

The title of the story is "3 more" but in the story it says "More Cameras! It’s been suggested Canon has 3 DSLRs to announce in 2011".

There only has to be 2 more for Canon to announce 3 DSLRs in 2011.

Maybe the person that wrote the story can fix up either the title of it or the quote because they are not the same.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that.

 

[AJ]

Well if there's any truth to this... then I wonder if Digic 5 is on the way.

The 1Ds4 and 5d3 would then get the new chip, and perhaps also a 7D2. 2012 could see the chip trickle down to 70D and 700D. New chip, more video capability, probably an increment in high iso.

In theory then a 7D2 could have the same 18 mpix sensor as the 7D, 60D and 600D.

 

[Loswr]

I agree. I was thinking recently that a 7D II probably needs to come by early 2012 at the latest. My reasoning is that the Rebel is pretty reliably on a one year cycle, and we've already had the T2i and T3i based on the 7D sensor. I have a hard time thinking of how a T4i could be differentiated from the T3i if they both have the same sensor, so the Rebel cycle seems to imply that a new APS-C sensor is required by spring 2012.

If you accept that reasoning, then it seems quite unlikely that Canon would want a lineup where the T4i has a newer/better sensor than the 7D, so they would want to introduce the 7D II no later than the T4i.

I'm not so sure. The T2i preceeded the 60D by several months, and had a better sensor. Furthermore, the Rebel line and the 7D are pretty far apart, and there is a lot more than sensor megapixels to differentiate them. 7D owners would be unlikely to be interested in a T4i even if it has a better more pixel-dense sensor, and someone looking for a semi-pro body would likely be doing so for features beyond just megapixels (else, just go buy a 14-megapixel point and shoot).

Also, there are quite likely other ways to distinguish a T4i from the T3i. The AF system could be updated (the Rebel could get the current xxD AF, and the xxD line could then get something a little better - after all, the 60D still basically has the 40D's AF, while the current Rebels use the 30D's AF system. They could give the T4i the transmissive LCD in the VF that they left out of the 60D. I could suggest other possibilities as well...

As an xD body, I expect the 7D will be on a similar upgrade cycle as other xD bodies, i.e. 3 (or so) years between releases.

 

[Kuscali]

I hope there isn't a new 7D announced I just got mine.

Whatever I needed and I am shooting with this one, even if the 7D was to come out after September of this year, I would have still had to buy the 7D. The 7D is a great camera, and will produce great pictures even after the 7DMII, 7DMII, 7DMIII comes out. It will still produce great pictures till it gets 150K clicks on it.

 

[Fleetie]

With all that's going on now, I think there's basically no chance of a 7DII this year. Even before Japan's current problems, it was expected to be tail end of NEXT year.


Martin

 

[unfocused]

The 7D is a great camera, and will produce great pictures even after the 7DMII, 7DMII, 7DMIII comes out. It will still produce great pictures till it gets 150K clicks on it.

Glad to see another happy 7D owner. Just another reason why I don't see a 7DII coming this year. The 7D remains at the top in its category, it is selling great (Note that you can't even find a 7D available right now) and customer satisfaction is off the charts.

Lenses and other bodies have got to be more of a priority for Canon. Incremental differences in other brands aren't sufficient to seriously challenge the 7D and it's going to be a year or two before all the new 60D, T3i and T2i owners are ready to step up a level or two.

If they did release a new model this year, it would be more of a refresh than an upgrade and runs the risk of disappointing. I think they'll wait until they can offer a few more megapixels with a bit less noise at the high ISOs, add in some video enhancements and whatever the new bells and whistles from the next 1Ds might be. Which means we are probably looking at mid to late 2012.

 

[Wahoowa]

Back to the film days, SLRs were released less frequent because there were not many things to update. After all, an SLR was just a tool that allowed film exposure and that's pretty much it. Okay, there might be some features in higher-end DSLRs that had more capabilities, but it's used to be more about film selections and photographer's skill.

Nowadays, DSLRs are tied with their sensor as well as their CPU. If you want a newer/upgraded sensor, you have to upgrade the body. And now they are being replaced at a much faster rate, as manufacturers have more cards to play; resolution, sensor size, dynamic range, noise-to-signal ratio at high ISO and so on, let alone the digital gimmicks.

That said, DSLR technology has advanced tremendously in the fast few years. And I now feel that the room to grow is not that big anymore as it's used to be. People, including me, will be happy with what we have, even though there will be some newer and cooler DSLRs released in the next few years. I'd had my 10D for about 6 years before being replaced. And I'm sure my current DSLR bodies will serve me for many years to come.

But, all in all, I'll be interested in the replacement of 5D Mark II though.

 

[Loswr]

If you want a newer/upgraded sensor, you have to upgrade the body. And now they are being replaced at a much faster rate, as manufacturers have more cards to play; resolution, sensor size, dynamic range, noise-to-signal ratio at high ISO and so on, let alone the digital gimmicks.

This also plays out in the overall upgrade strategy that Canon appears to be following. One area you see that is the AF systems chosen for the non-1-series bodies, where improvements are slow to 'trickle down' the lines.

 

[Etienne]

The 7D is a great camera, and will produce great pictures even after the 7DMII, 7DMII, 7DMIII comes out. It will still produce great pictures till it gets 150K clicks on it.

Glad to see another happy 7D owner. Just another reason why I don't see a 7DII coming this year. The 7D remains at the top in its category, it is selling great (Note that you can't even find a 7D available right now) and customer satisfaction is off the charts.

Lenses and other bodies have got to be more of a priority for Canon. Incremental differences in other brands aren't sufficient to seriously challenge the 7D and it's going to be a year or two before all the new 60D, T3i and T2i owners are ready to step up a level or two.

If they did release a new model this year, it would be more of a refresh than an upgrade and runs the risk of disappointing. I think they'll wait until they can offer a few more megapixels with a bit less noise at the high ISOs, add in some video enhancements and whatever the new bells and whistles from the next 1Ds might be. Which means we are probably looking at mid to late 2012.

The 7D is a good camera for sports and action, but the 5DII is better in every other way. It's definitely worth the extra. Most of the people I know with a 7D chose it over the 5DII because it was cheaper, but would have preferred the 5DII. Both the 7D and 5DII are a lot of camera for their respective $, and I expect (hope) that the 5DIII will be an irresistible upgrade .

I hope the 7DII has APS-H, then I might get one.

 

[bvukich]

This also plays out in the overall upgrade strategy that Canon appears to be following. One area you see that is the AF systems chosen for the non-1-series bodies, where improvements are slow to 'trickle down' the lines.

I think body strategy regarding AF is one of the strong points of Nikon vs. Canon. Nikon has more of a gradient for AF performance across it's line, with each body (more or less) inheriting the AF system of the next higher model's previous generation. With Canon there are large steps in AF performance. Even the 7D with it's highly regarded AF system is only comparable to the 1D2 maybe the 1D2N (from what I've read, I haven't used either).

 

[GMCPhotographics]

This also plays out in the overall upgrade strategy that Canon appears to be following. One area you see that is the AF systems chosen for the non-1-series bodies, where improvements are slow to 'trickle down' the lines.

I think body strategy regarding AF is one of the strong points of Nikon vs. Canon. Nikon has more of a gradient for AF performance across it's line, with each body (more or less) inheriting the AF system of the next higher model's previous generation. With Canon there are large steps in AF performance. Even the 7D with it's highly regarded AF system is only comparable to the 1D2 maybe the 1D2N (from what I've read, I haven't used either).

Yes Nikon are really good at undermining their Pro model sales with their lower tier cameras. The D3 sold really well upto the point when Nikon released the D700 (both great cameras btw). Canon are a little smarter in this regard, they create different AF modules for each price point. Nikon seem to put the same Pro AF into anything they can these days which can't be good for their business long term. Sometimes i look at Nikon's range and i struggle to work out which are the comsumer, pro-sumer and pro models.

 

[zalmagor]

This also plays out in the overall upgrade strategy that Canon appears to be following. One area you see that is the AF systems chosen for the non-1-series bodies, where improvements are slow to 'trickle down' the lines.

I think body strategy regarding AF is one of the strong points of Nikon vs. Canon. Nikon has more of a gradient for AF performance across it's line, with each body (more or less) inheriting the AF system of the next higher model's previous generation. With Canon there are large steps in AF performance. Even the 7D with it's highly regarded AF system is only comparable to the 1D2 maybe the 1D2N (from what I've read, I haven't used either).

Yes Nikon are really good at undermining their Pro model sales with their lower tier cameras. The D3 sold really well upto the point when Nikon released the D700 (both great cameras btw). Canon are a little smarter in this regard, they create different AF modules for each price point. Nikon seem to put the same Pro AF into anything they can these days which can't be good for their business long term. Sometimes i look at Nikon's range and i struggle to work out which are the comsumer, pro-sumer and pro models.

Canon 7D has a better AF module than the 5D, when the average consumer would expect the opposite.

 

[Ivar]

Yes Nikon are really good at undermining their Pro model sales with their lower tier cameras. The D3 sold really well upto the point when Nikon released the D700 (both great cameras btw). Canon are a little smarter in this regard, they create different AF modules for each price point. Nikon seem to put the same Pro AF into anything they can these days which can't be good for their business long term. Sometimes i look at Nikon's range and i struggle to work out which are the comsumer, pro-sumer and pro models.

I'm not so sure about the end results financially, high end cameras are sold much less in quantities. Also do not forget it is about selling a platform rather than camera only. Finally, for me Canon creates negative feelings (even though I might not switch I encourage those who asking advice sincerely consider Nikon too) by too carefully balancing every single product, leaving rather bad taste by providing on one hand generously high tech gadgets and on the other hand completely ignoring some old stuff having the need to be replaced.

 

[Loswr]

Canon 7D has a better AF module than the 5D, when the average consumer would expect the opposite.

Except the 'average consumer' is not really the target for an xD body, right? Most people spending >$1500 on a camera would do a little more research, I suspect. The 5DII's AF system is not great, true, but for the 'intended' use of a 5DII - studio/portrait/landscape work, the AF is adequate.