3000 mAh AA battery for Flash ?

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surapon said:
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The Powerex Maha MH-C801D Eight Cell is the one that I use. It's a great charger with built-in battery deep-conditioning system, and selectable soft and rapid charging.
Until it decides to fry your batteries ... melt its own plastic by not stopping charging. It has happened to me!
In addition, it seems I am not the only one (judging from Amazon.com feedback on this product)...
(The first that stopped working on my charger was the soft charge button...)

Thanks you, Sir, Dear Tron.
Thanks for your infor.
Now, Poor Surapon---Now What will I do, 2 sides of Powerex Maha MH-C801D= Good or ----Bad ???
Thanks.
Surapon
I have not given up on Maha because of that (I do not know though if it this was wise). I got the Maha/PowerEx 9000 model that is a more sophisticated charger. Unfortunately it charges only 4 batteries at a time. I have it for almost 2 years and it has been fine. No complaints apart from the fact that it refuses to charge some older (but in good condition) batteries.

Thanks you, Sir, Dear Tron.
I already order one, and should have in my hand next 2-3 days.
Yes, Sir, I will report back to you, If it kill my Rechargeable Batteries.
Have a great day, Sir.
Surapon
Dear friend Surapon. I recommend avoiding fast charge, and if possible avoid using all battery slots simultaneously. When testing, touch the surface of the batteries to see if the temperature is bearable for a few seconds. If the temperature is higher than the support skin then the batteries could be roasted.
 
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ajfotofilmagem said:
surapon said:
tron said:
surapon said:
tron said:
Click said:
The Powerex Maha MH-C801D Eight Cell is the one that I use. It's a great charger with built-in battery deep-conditioning system, and selectable soft and rapid charging.
Until it decides to fry your batteries ... melt its own plastic by not stopping charging. It has happened to me!
In addition, it seems I am not the only one (judging from Amazon.com feedback on this product)...
(The first that stopped working on my charger was the soft charge button...)

Thanks you, Sir, Dear Tron.
Thanks for your infor.
Now, Poor Surapon---Now What will I do, 2 sides of Powerex Maha MH-C801D= Good or ----Bad ???
Thanks.
Surapon
I have not given up on Maha because of that (I do not know though if it this was wise). I got the Maha/PowerEx 9000 model that is a more sophisticated charger. Unfortunately it charges only 4 batteries at a time. I have it for almost 2 years and it has been fine. No complaints apart from the fact that it refuses to charge some older (but in good condition) batteries.

Thanks you, Sir, Dear Tron.
I already order one, and should have in my hand next 2-3 days.
Yes, Sir, I will report back to you, If it kill my Rechargeable Batteries.
Have a great day, Sir.
Surapon
Dear friend Surapon. I recommend avoiding fast charge, and if possible avoid using all battery slots simultaneously. When testing, touch the surface of the batteries to see if the temperature is bearable for a few seconds. If the temperature is higher than the support skin then the batteries could be roasted.

Thousand Thankssss, Sir, Dear ajfotofilmagem
I will set at the Slow charge setting.
Thanks again.
Have a great day, Sir.
Surapon
 
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The 801D charger lasted a few years. So no hard feelings. However, the first that stopped working was the slow charge!!!
So I had no other option that to use fast charge.

My only complaint was that the way it broke down was very dangerous.

I believe that your charger will serve you some years. Just keep an eye on it...
 
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tron said:
The 801D charger lasted a few years. So no hard feelings. However, the first that stopped working was the slow charge!!!
So I had no other option that to use fast charge.

My only complaint was that the way it broke down was very dangerous.

I believe that your charger will serve you some years. Just keep an eye on it...


If you want to try another option, the Lacrosse Technology BC-1000 battery charger is also top of the line. Not inexpensive, but so far very reliable. Has an LCD for each battery so you can see what's happening to them. Goes through cycles of slowly discharging them and recharging them to get the best charge, or also by faster charging them at your discretion. Just does four at a time, AA or AAA, but not intended for Lithium.
 
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Thousand thanks to all of our friends, for the great information of most important equipment of the Flash Photography---If our Batteries fail during the most important ceremony, like Wedding ceremony, We will be damed for this job----Ha, Ha, Ha , With Dark Photos + Noisy Pictures.
Nice to talk to all of our friends.
Surapon
 
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kjay27 said:
tron said:
The 801D charger lasted a few years. So no hard feelings. However, the first that stopped working was the slow charge!!!
So I had no other option that to use fast charge.

My only complaint was that the way it broke down was very dangerous.

I believe that your charger will serve you some years. Just keep an eye on it...


If you want to try another option, the Lacrosse Technology BC-1000 battery charger is also top of the line. Not inexpensive, but so far very reliable. Has an LCD for each battery so you can see what's happening to them. Goes through cycles of slowly discharging them and recharging them to get the best charge, or also by faster charging them at your discretion. Just does four at a time, AA or AAA, but not intended for Lithium.
I got the Maha/PowerEx 9000 model. So far so good. They only (slight) problem is that it refuses to charge some older NiMh batteries. But it is a nice combo with Eneloop batteries.
 
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surapon,

something you mentioned in your initial inquiry looks like it went unmentioned so far (unless I missed someone's comment). mAh is the capacity. it is literally milli-Amp hours, mA x h = mAh. theretically, 2000mAh would run a 0.1amp draw for 20 continuous hours, or a 20milli-amp draw for 100 hours. It has nothing to do with the amount of power hitting your device, or the 'size of the pipe' (which would be voltage).

So your concern that your flash would be damaged by the higher mAh is not a valid one. Think of it as a larger gas tank. I WOULD however, be concerned with construction (which battery could split/leak components inside your flash damaging it chemically) and the reliability of the cheapo brand, and like others have said, self-discharge rate (loss of power while not in use).

Eneloops like everyone says, are good due to their low self-discharge properties. Another Low Self Discharge battery I have tried with decent success so far is Tenergy brand Centura model. They are a little cheaper to compete with Sanyo's Eneloop line and to me seem to be 'as good' comparing to the ones that I have, but of course Sanyo has the longer track record with their design.
 
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Thank you, Sir, Dear Tron.
" I got the Maha/PowerEx 9000 model. So far so good. They only (slight) problem is that it refuses to charge some older NiMh batteries. But it is a nice combo with Eneloop batteries. "

I just get one , after our friends recommend.
Yes, Thanks, I will report back to you.
Surapon
 
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ECRoyce said:
surapon,

something you mentioned in your initial inquiry looks like it went unmentioned so far (unless I missed someone's comment). mAh is the capacity. it is literally milli-Amp hours, mA x h = mAh. theretically, 2000mAh would run a 0.1amp draw for 20 continuous hours, or a 20milli-amp draw for 100 hours. It has nothing to do with the amount of power hitting your device, or the 'size of the pipe' (which would be voltage).

So your concern that your flash would be damaged by the higher mAh is not a valid one. Think of it as a larger gas tank. I WOULD however, be concerned with construction (which battery could split/leak components inside your flash damaging it chemically) and the reliability of the cheapo brand, and like others have said, self-discharge rate (loss of power while not in use).

Eneloops like everyone says, are good due to their low self-discharge properties. Another Low Self Discharge battery I have tried with decent success so far is Tenergy brand Centura model. They are a little cheaper to compete with Sanyo's Eneloop line and to me seem to be 'as good' comparing to the ones that I have, but of course Sanyo has the longer track record with their design.

Thousand Thanks , Sir, Dear Mr. ECRoyce.
Wow, I learn some thing new to day.
Have a great week day, Sir.
Surapon
 
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ECRoyce said:
surapon,

something you mentioned in your initial inquiry looks like it went unmentioned so far (unless I missed someone's comment). mAh is the capacity. it is literally milli-Amp hours, mA x h = mAh. theretically, 2000mAh would run a 0.1amp draw for 20 continuous hours, or a 20milli-amp draw for 100 hours. It has nothing to do with the amount of power hitting your device, or the 'size of the pipe' (which would be voltage).

So your concern that your flash would be damaged by the higher mAh is not a valid one. Think of it as a larger gas tank. I WOULD however, be concerned with construction (which battery could split/leak components inside your flash damaging it chemically) and the reliability of the cheapo brand, and like others have said, self-discharge rate (loss of power while not in use).

Eneloops like everyone says, are good due to their low self-discharge properties. Another Low Self Discharge battery I have tried with decent success so far is Tenergy brand Centura model. They are a little cheaper to compete with Sanyo's Eneloop line and to me seem to be 'as good' comparing to the ones that I have, but of course Sanyo has the longer track record with their design.
Sorry, but your logic is flawed. Yes, the capacity measured in milliampere per hour is related to the time at which the battery can supply the rated voltage of 1.2 volts. But... The actual voltage at the time of a peak current drain naturally falls. ??? I remember that alkaline batteries have actually 1.7 volts when new, but drops to 1.1 volts, at the moment of recycling flash. ::) On the other hand, the Ni-MH batteries has 1.45 volts, but when the flash recycling, drops to 1.2 volts. :o Thus, at the time of peak current drain, NI-MH batteries provide higher voltage than Alkaline batteries. 8) Now, imagine a hypothetical NI-MH battery that has truly 8000 milliamps per hour. ::) With such capacity, the voltage drop would be smaller. Perhaps would drop to 1.4 volts, providing flash recycling time faster than ever (4 x 1.4 volts = 5.6 volts). :o It turns out that the flash supports 6 volts when in standby, but provides for a natural fall at the moment of recycling. If does not happen this fall, it would cause overheating of the flash circuit which was not designed for such high voltage. :( Another practical example: If the flash work with nominal voltage of 6 volts, we can use lead acid batteries 6 volt and 1800 milliamps (external) without causing damage to the flash. But if we are to make thousands of shots without changing the battery, then use a lead acid battery 6 volts and 8000 milliamps... ??? And the flash recycle time will have a super-duper fast because the voltage drop will be null. ::) The result is that the flash circuit will be toasted because of the excess voltage not dropped at the time of recycling. :-[ Bottom line: If a device is designed to use 2000 milliamp battery safely, you should not use battery with much higher amperage than that. :-\ Of course, to obtain a secure long term use without replacing batteries is the accessory "Canon CP-E4" that transforms the correct voltage, using 8 batteries simultaneously.
 
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One thing that seems inexplicable, is as up to now, manufacturers have not been able to build a flash that gives a warning when remaining 10 shots at full power, or 50 shots at low power. :( Does not enter my mind that such a thing is so hard to accomplish. :-[ Why do we have to keep looking at the led "PILOT" to really know if the flash is ready to fire? >:(
 
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ajfotofilmagem said:
ECRoyce said:
surapon,

something you mentioned in your initial inquiry looks like it went unmentioned so far (unless I missed someone's comment). mAh is the capacity. it is literally milli-Amp hours, mA x h = mAh. theretically, 2000mAh would run a 0.1amp draw for 20 continuous hours, or a 20milli-amp draw for 100 hours. It has nothing to do with the amount of power hitting your device, or the 'size of the pipe' (which would be voltage).

So your concern that your flash would be damaged by the higher mAh is not a valid one. Think of it as a larger gas tank. I WOULD however, be concerned with construction (which battery could split/leak components inside your flash damaging it chemically) and the reliability of the cheapo brand, and like others have said, self-discharge rate (loss of power while not in use).

Eneloops like everyone says, are good due to their low self-discharge properties. Another Low Self Discharge battery I have tried with decent success so far is Tenergy brand Centura model. They are a little cheaper to compete with Sanyo's Eneloop line and to me seem to be 'as good' comparing to the ones that I have, but of course Sanyo has the longer track record with their design.
Sorry, but your logic is flawed. Yes, the capacity measured in milliampere per hour is related to the time at which the battery can supply the rated voltage of 1.2 volts. But... The actual voltage at the time of a peak current drain naturally falls. ??? I remember that alkaline batteries have actually 1.7 volts when new, but drops to 1.1 volts, at the moment of recycling flash. ::) On the other hand, the Ni-MH batteries has 1.45 volts, but when the flash recycling, drops to 1.2 volts. :o Thus, at the time of peak current drain, NI-MH batteries provide higher voltage than Alkaline batteries. 8) Now, imagine a hypothetical NI-MH battery that has truly 8000 milliamps per hour. ::) With such capacity, the voltage drop would be smaller. Perhaps would drop to 1.4 volts, providing flash recycling time faster than ever (4 x 1.4 volts = 5.6 volts). :o It turns out that the flash supports 6 volts when in standby, but provides for a natural fall at the moment of recycling. If does not happen this fall, it would cause overheating of the flash circuit which was not designed for such high voltage. :( Another practical example: If the flash work with nominal voltage of 6 volts, we can use lead acid batteries 6 volt and 1800 milliamps (external) without causing damage to the flash. But if we are to make thousands of shots without changing the battery, then use a lead acid battery 6 volts and 8000 milliamps... ??? And the flash recycle time will have a super-duper fast because the voltage drop will be null. ::) The result is that the flash circuit will be toasted because of the excess voltage not dropped at the time of recycling. :-[ Bottom line: If a device is designed to use 2000 milliamp battery safely, you should not use battery with much higher amperage than that. :-\ Of course, to obtain a secure long term use without replacing batteries is the accessory "Canon CP-E4" that transforms the correct voltage, using 8 batteries simultaneously.

Thousand Thanks, Dear Teacher, Mr.ajfotofilmagem.
Thanks for great Infor.
Have a great Day, Sir.
Surapon
 
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